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Workout Supplements in Toronto

What's Your Take on Supplements?

  • I love them and swear by their results

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • They suck and don't do anything..waste of $$$

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I only use protein and just because it's convenient

    Votes: 2 40.0%
  • Fuji is right and I swear by what he says

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • It's a combination of everything

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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assholee

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from reviews I have read this is bar none the best pre workout supplement on the market today

http://www.omegasportssupplements.com/web/our-products/ultima.html
Ive never even heard of that brand lol. But just by looking at that website, I can tell you now that ALL pre supps boosts their products like that. Their brand is superior compared to all others etc etc... pre supps are a rip off and you can thank me for saving you money

If you want more "energy" stick to caffeine pills/arginine/taurine etc... whatever works for you but its not even necessary.
 

assholee

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This nonsense about "isolates are already broken down and the body can absorb it more readily" is a pile of BS. To properly absorb protein you need the right factors present, various vitamins and minerals to go along with the protein, to make it usable.

Guess what milk has in pretty much exactly the right proportions? To replicate the vitamins and minerals that milk delivers along with the protein you'd have to go get a science degree and work out the right proportion of artificial vitamins to go along with your artificial protein. Maybe you will get it right. Maybe not. Or you could just drink milk, which is a hell of a lot cheaper anyway.

You do know that milk is the product of a million year process of evolution and nature resolving the basic problem, "how to bulk up and grow as fast as possible", i.e., what growing babies and children do, doubling or even tripling their body mass in a year by drinking milk. It's pretty much the ideal "bulk up fast" food, and your body was made for it. (Well, the human version, but the cow version is pretty close.)

And why go all NASA and try and condense it all into a delivery system with less water weight? Are you worried about lifting the extra water weight into orbit? Last time I checked you sweat during a workout, it's not like you don't need the liquids!

OK--if you are working out in the jungle far from any refrigeration system, or on the top of some mountain, the fact that you have to keep your milk cool might be a problem, it might be easier to pack in your protein powder in your back pack--but I am guessing you'd have a bit more difficulty packing in your free weights. Most people don't have too much trouble finding a fridge or a convenience store.
Umm it is easier to digest. What do you want me to tell you?
Is whey protein easy to digest?
Whey protein is a soluble, very easy to digest protein. It quickly enters the body to provide the important essential amino acids needed to nourish muscles and other body tissues. This is one of the reasons it is a common ingredient in infant formula and protein supplements for medical use.


But you get what you pay for, pure whey protein is literally zero fat, zero carbs and zero lactose. It's the highest quality protein and will give you the most protein per serving with the least amount of calories.


I can drink 35 grams of protein with less than 200ml of water added easily. Good luck drinking over 3 and a half glasses of milk getting the same amount of protein.

Im not sure why you're arguing with me because obviously protein powders are superior than milk for someone building muscle.

Therefore protein powders > milk
 

assholee

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NO-Xplode is an anti-diaharea medication
Although it might sound like one, its actually quite the opposite of anti diarrhea (Not sure if you were joking) lol.
Superpump250 isnt called superdump for nothing :D
 

Pastor Tricky

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Ive never even heard of that brand lol. But just by looking at that website, I can tell you now that ALL pre supps boosts their products like that. Their brand is superior compared to all others etc etc... pre supps are a rip off and you can thank me for saving you money

If you want more "energy" stick to caffeine pills/arginine/taurine etc... whatever works for you but its not even necessary.
Yeah I get the marketing spiel. But just like this place tells me which MPA's or SP's are the friendliest based on reviews by reputable posters, there are review boards and forums that do the same thing for supplements. I don't know why you think pre-WO's are rip offs. Endurance, energy and focus are all increased with the good ones.
 

fuji

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Umm it is easier to digest. What do you want me to tell you?
Any credible evidence anywhere that "easier to digest" makes a damn bit of difference to muscle gain? There MAY be some timing elements around protein consumption and weight gain, but they'd be of the "within a few hours" variety, not minutes. The only time you need something to hit your blood ASAP is if it's carbs and you are looking for an energy boost. With protein you just need a supply of the stuff in your blood roughly around the time you're going to be repairing the micro muscle damage from weightlifting--which will happen over many hours after your workout.

And again, just "digesting" the stuff isn't good enough. If you didn't take in the right balance of vitamins or minerals then you're just going to pee it all out, because your body isn't going to have all the factors to take maximum advantage of the protein. Guess what? Milk is a pretty good source of all those factors and in about the right proportion. Your whey protein is missing that, and you need additional supplements to get the vitamins and minerals necessary to process the protein.

But you get what you pay for, pure whey protein is literally zero fat, zero carbs and zero lactose.
Right because hey, if you were building muscle, you wouldn't need to take in any fat or carbs??? What are you on a pure protein diet? You need some fat and carbs. If you don't get it mixed in with your protein you're going to have to go get it somewhere else, and around the same time too. Hey--you could mix some in with your whey protein to save a little time. Umm... or just drink milk?

Skim milk by the way has no fat. That is why it's called skim milk. That said honestly you're probably better off with 1% or 2% milk because you know what? You do actually need some fat in your diet.

The only think I will give you is that if you are lactose intolerant then obviously you're looking for alternatives to milk, but if you aren't lactose intolerant, why complicate your life like that?

It's the highest quality protein and will give you the most protein per serving with the least amount of calories.
What's your obsession with "least amount of calories", even if you are cutting, you need to take in some calories. Skim milk is a source of high quality calories, with a LOT of nutrition per calorie. If you're on a reduced calorie diet then it's an excellent food because it covers so many nutritional bases. However, I find it hard to believe that you would be bulking up and on a reduced calorie diet... a little counter productive.

The calories in that glass of milk aren't going to be a problem.

I can drink 35 grams of protein with less than 200ml of water added easily. Good luck drinking over 3 and a half glasses of milk getting the same amount of protein.
LOL, what's your obsession with water? You don't take liquids when you are working out? You know that you are going to dehydrate yourself and fall over? If you're really that arsed about reducing water content... you could evaporate the milk a bit. Maybe even just eat milk powder, but honestly the ordinarily liquid form is better for you--and you do need to hydrate yourself, might as well take that hydration with the protein, as umm... milk?


Im not sure why you're arguing with me because obviously protein powders are superior than milk for someone building muscle.
That's certainly what the people who sell workout supplements want you to believe.
 
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Any credible evidence anywhere that "easier to digest" makes a damn bit of difference to muscle gain? There MAY be some timing elements around protein consumption and weight gain, but they'd be of the "within a few hours" variety, not minutes. The only time you need something to hit your blood ASAP is if it's carbs and you are looking for an energy boost. With protein you just need a supply of the stuff in your blood roughly around the time you're going to be repairing the micro muscle damage from weightlifting--which will happen over many hours after your workout.

And again, just "digesting" the stuff isn't good enough. If you didn't take in the right balance of vitamins or minerals then you're just going to pee it all out, because your body isn't going to have all the factors to take maximum advantage of the protein. Guess what? Milk is a pretty good source of all those factors and in about the right proportion. Your whey protein is missing that, and you need additional supplements to get the vitamins and minerals necessary to process the protein.



Right because hey, if you were building muscle, you wouldn't need to take in any fat or carbs??? What are you on a pure protein diet? You need some fat and carbs. If you don't get it mixed in with your protein you're going to have to go get it somewhere else, and around the same time too. Hey--you could mix some in with your whey protein to save a little time. Umm... or just drink milk?

Skim milk by the way has no fat. That is why it's called skim milk. That said honestly you're probably better off with 1% or 2% milk because you know what? You do actually need some fat in your diet.

The only think I will give you is that if you are lactose intolerant then obviously you're looking for alternatives to milk, but if you aren't lactose intolerant, why complicate your life like that?



What's your obsession with "least amount of calories", even if you are cutting, you need to take in some calories. Skim milk is a source of high quality calories, with a LOT of nutrition per calorie. If you're on a reduced calorie diet then it's an excellent food because it covers so many nutritional bases. However, I find it hard to believe that you would be bulking up and on a reduced calorie diet... a little counter productive.

The calories in that glass of milk aren't going to be a problem.



LOL, what's your obsession with water? You don't take liquids when you are working out? You know that you are going to dehydrate yourself and fall over? If you're really that arsed about reducing water content... you could evaporate the milk a bit. Maybe even just eat milk powder, but honestly the ordinarily liquid form is better for you--and you do need to hydrate yourself, might as well take that hydration with the protein, as umm... milk?




That's certainly what the people who sell workout supplements want you to believe.
Myofusion. Period. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/gn/myofusion.html
 

fuji

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LOL myofusion is trying to replicate eating egg whites and milk by taking whey protein and adding compounds from egg whites and milk.

There's a cheaper way....

BTW, egg white serves the exact same biological purpose as milk. It is a compound evolved over millions of years to enabled baby birds to bulk up rapidly before they hatch, just like milk helps baby mammals bulk up. There's a reason why these things turn out to be excellent for people bulking up, it's not random, and all these supplements are doing is trying to replicate what you can buy in your grocery store for $5.
 
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LOL myofusion is trying to replicate eating egg whites and milk by taking whey protein and adding compounds from egg whites and milk.

There's a cheaper way....

BTW, egg white serves the exact same biological purpose as milk. It is a compound evolved over millions of years to enabled baby birds to bulk up rapidly before they hatch, just like milk helps baby mammals bulk up. There's a reason why these things turn out to be excellent for people bulking up, it's not random, and all these supplements are doing is trying to replicate what you can buy in your grocery store for $5.
I'm not disagreeing with you on the front that milk and natural eggs will help you get big. They will get you jacked as supplements only "supplement" the diet of eating a rich carb and protein diet. But if you're going to the gym, it would be kinda hard to find a cold place to keep your milk for a couple of hours (unless your workout is only 30mins) cause then it will go rancid. And studies have shown that you should take a healthy intake of protein and carbs within 30mins of a workout. What you were referring to before when you mentioned about taking protein when your muscles are rebuilding, I believe you were talking about casein http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/cas.html that is a slow releasing protein meant to be taken before you goto sleep.
 

Pastor Tricky

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LOL myofusion is trying to replicate eating egg whites and milk by taking whey protein and adding compounds from egg whites and milk.

There's a cheaper way....

BTW, egg white serves the exact same biological purpose as milk. It is a compound evolved over millions of years to enabled baby birds to bulk up rapidly before they hatch, just like milk helps baby mammals bulk up. There's a reason why these things turn out to be excellent for people bulking up, it's not random, and all these supplements are doing is trying to replicate what you can buy in your grocery store for $5.
Do the math bud. 5lb container of myofusion = 50 - 60 bucks in toronto. 5lb container has 63 servings at 25 grams of protein per serving. = 1575 grams of protein. Lets say 60 bucks for the container. = 3.8 cents per gram of prot.

Egg whites @ 4 grams prot per egg. Carton of egg cost = 3-4 bucks. 12 eggs at 4 gr per egg = 48 grams of protein per 3.5 bucks. 7.3 cents per gram. Plus you don't get those vitamins that you're talking about to digest and properly uptake that protein from eggs. Don't even get me started on the problem with cow's milk.
 

Adam_hadam

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The best supplements are steroids. Do your research on dose, frequency etc.
Train heavy and see the results!

Google image "Alina Popa" and what the juice can do.
 

fuji

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I'm not disagreeing with you on the front that milk and natural eggs will help you get big. They will get you jacked as supplements only "supplement" the diet of eating a rich carb and protein diet. But if you're going to the gym, it would be kinda hard to find a cold place to keep your milk for a couple of hours (unless your workout is only 30mins) cause then it will go rancid. And studies have shown that you should take a healthy intake of protein and carbs within 30mins of a workout. What you were referring to before when you mentioned about taking protein when your muscles are rebuilding, I believe you were talking about casein http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/cas.html that is a slow releasing protein meant to be taken before you goto sleep.
I think you'll find a convenience store near most gyms. In my case I have a gym in my condo building, so I just go back to my unit after my workout.
 

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Here's some info on how great "natural milk" is:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/south109.htm
You know that whey is made from milk right? That whatever contimination is in the milk is in the whey? You make it sounds like whey is not a milk product........

There's been far more research into milk than into the supplements that fund that website. I suspect if anyone did some research into the supplements you'd find they were even worse--but nobody has.

The "scientific" claims that supposedly back up the supplement industry are all pretty bogus, if you start digging down into where the original sources of their information comes from, it gets sketchy fast. There's no real evidence any of that stuff works, beyond the general advice that you should increase protein intake if you're weight training.

I am not putting milk forward as your only source either, just pointing out that the ingredients in most of those supplements basically are attempts to mimic milk.
 

larry

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This site really has some funny arguments. One side says it's convenient. The other says go to a convenience store! Huh? Price per gram is less than real food with no prep issues. There's nothing wrong with it so why not? I used to buy Cytosport but the last few years the price has skyrocketed.So now i'm a costco shopper altho it doesn't taste as good.
 

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One of the big differences between milk and whey isolate is the absorption rates of the proteins,isolates being the fastest,and calcium caseinate the slowest by far,which is good if ,designed to slowly release over a longer period of time such as nightime.If you want to take advantage of the protein absorption window, within the first hour after a workout ,then take the isolate.By the way Fuji, skim milk isn't fat free just lower than 2% etc.
 
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One of the big differences between milk and whey isolate is the absorption rates of the proteins,isolates being the fastest,and calcium caseinate the slowest by far,which is good if ,designed to slowly release over a longer period of time such as nightime.If you want to take advantage of the protein absorption window, within the first hour after a workout ,then take the isolate.By the way Fuji, skim milk isn't fat free just lower than 2% etc.
well said!
 

fuji

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One of the big differences between milk and whey isolate is the absorption rates of the proteins,isolates being the fastest,and calcium caseinate the slowest by far,which is good if ,designed to slowly release over a longer period of time such as nightime.If you want to take advantage of the protein absorption window, within the first hour after a workout ,then take the isolate.By the way Fuji, skim milk isn't fat free just lower than 2% etc.
Nonsense.
 

fuji

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lol what about it is nonsense? seems logical to me from what I've researched...and heard on here.
What's nonsense is worrying about trace elements of fat in skim milk. Also nonsense is the belief that you need quick absorbing protein in order to build muscle--your body has quite a supply of the stuff. You just need to keep it replenished. It's not like there's none of it available for muscle construction until you take your supplement!!

The whole "theory" behind these supplements is unscientific bullshit propagated by the people who sell the junk. It's about as plausible as your average hoax diet.
 
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