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World rushes to negotiating table as Trump tariffs shake global markets

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Trump says EU must buy $350B of US energy to get tariff relief

Brussels’ zero-for-zero tariff offer not enough, U.S. president says, but indicates he’s open to a deal if the bloc commits to closing the trade deficit in goods.

APRIL 8, 2025

The European Union will have to commit to buying $350 billion of American energy to get a reprieve from Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs, the U.S. president said late Monday, dismissing Brussels' offer of "zero-for-zero" tariffs on cars and industrial goods.

Trump's comments at a White House press conference were in response to European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen saying earlier Monday that the EU had offered to drop the bloc's tariffs to zero on cars and industrial goods imported from the U.S. if Trump reciprocated.

Asked by a reporter whether the offer was enough for him to back down, Trump said: "No, it's not."

"We have a deficit with the European Union of $350 billion and it's gonna disappear fast," Trump said. "One of the ways that that can disappear easily and quickly is they're gonna have to buy our energy from us ... they can buy it, we can knock off $350 billion in one week. They have to buy and commit to buy a like amount of energy."

Von der Leyen’s offer came after Trump last week slapped 20 percent tariffs on the EU and a minimum 10 percent levy on other trade partners. In response, financial markets across the world have lost trillions of dollars in value, with European stocks on Monday suffering their biggest one-day falls since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic.

"A lot of people say, 'Oh, it doesn't mean anything having a surplus.' It means a lot, in my opinion. It's almost like a profit or loss statement," Trump said.

The president was speaking in the Oval Office Monday alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who traveled to Washington to hold talks with Trump and seek relief from the U.S. tariffs. In comments to the press after the meeting, the American president doubled down on his criticism of the EU but indicated he was up for doing a deal with the bloc, as long as it committed to closing its trade deficit with the U.S. by buying more American energy.

The idea of buying U.S. energy in a bid to stave off tariffs is not a new one. Almost as soon as Trump was reelected, von der Leyen suggested opening negotiations to buy more American liquefied natural gas (LNG). But POLITICO reported that the U.S. had, in response, offered no clarity about how a deal would work.

On Monday, asked whether his global tariffs were a strong-arm negotiation tactic or permanent, Trump said: "There can be permanent tariffs and there can also be negotiations, because there are things we need beyond tariffs."

He added: "If we can make a really fair deal and a good deal for the United States, not a good deal for others, this is America first. It's now America first."

Later in the press conference, a reporter asked Trump whether there were two or three countries on his list that he felt were further along in getting their tariffs lowered, and Trump name-checked the EU: "European Union. I mean as badly as they've treated us, they've brought their car tariffs essentially off. I guess they brought it down to 2.5 and I hear maybe to nothing."

But he also indicated that he wanted the EU to reduce its standards to allow more U.S. goods to enter its market, referring to safety measures as "non-monetary tariffs."

"It's tariffs where they put things on where they make it impossible for you to sell a car ... they make it so difficult, the standards and the tests," Trump said. "They come up with rules and regulations that are just designed for one reason: that you can't sell your product in those countries. And we're not gonna let that happen. Those are called non-monetary barriers."

In an indication of what is driving Trump's actions, the president harked back to a time when U.S. tariffs were sky high.

"You know our country was the strongest from 1870 to 1913," Trump said. "You know why? It was all tariff-based. We had no income tax. Then in 1913, some genius came up with the idea of let's charge the people of our country, not foreign countries that are ripping off our country."

 

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The U.S. and Ukraine did the right thing blowing up Nord Stream.
No more dirt cheap Russian natural gas for Europe.
 

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oil&gas fuck off.

South Korea is fearful of a North Korea restarting another war. They need The King of Kings protection. MAGA's affirm their loyalty to their Messiah. Where's Kyle Rittenhouse when you need him.

 

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I am curious about this supposed "rush" by countries to negotiate the tariffs with Trump. First, I am massively skeptical when the Trump administration says anything. They claim 50 countries have contacted them already. Now, is this possible? Sure. Is it about negotiations or are they asking clarifying questions?

But, what I always come back to is this: How can any country trust Trump? I mean, Canada and Mexico signed a free-trade deal with the master negotiator just a few years ago. A deal he now says was terrible (though, he might have forgotten he was the one who signed it...). So, if you are Japan or Australia, you start to wonder what type of deal will you hash out....and how long until Trump demands more? Or Trump's successor?

And, if the goal of tariffs was to re-shore jobs, negotiating more free-trade is counter productive. I mean, say you're Nike. You have something like 50% of your shoes made in a place like Vietnam, where Trump is imposing a 46% tariff. I know Vietnam has offered to reduce their tariff on US goods to 0% (which Trump's team has said is not enough...), so what are you to do? Do you look at a place like, say Brazil, which has only a 10% tariff (for now), and shift your manufacturing there? Because it would probably still be cheaper that re-shoring it to the US....And reshoring would take YEARS. They would first need to find and or build a factory and install the manufacturing equipment. They would need to find staff and train them. They would need to re-work their distribution and supply network. And the price of their shoes would likely double, or at least be more expensive than what it currently is. And, by the time they've started all that work....who's to say Trump doesn't back down, or is out of office?

Now, imagine Trump dies. Will Vance have the political capital to continue this policy? Will the GOP grow a spine and thwart this idiotic plan? Or, say the pain continues to next year and the mid-term elections. Will there be a blood bath of GOP losers? How will the MAGA-adjacent crowd (i.e., those not deep into the MAGA cult) react, after many losing jobs, seeing higher prices and watching their retirement savings evaporate? The current odds of a US recession are apparently 50-50 right now...but as the market continues to search for a bottom, those odds are bound to grow. When will the pain be too great for Trump to withstand? Will he search for ways to repeal the tariffs without losing face? If so, boom, there goes the re-shoring plans. So, basically, this is going to be a lot of pain for a goal that is not likely achievable.
Why would anyone trust the US anymore?
The reason most of those companies are in Vietnam is because of Trumps pressure in 2018 for them to leave China, so why would they relocate from Vietnam only to have the same pressure to leave another country in another couple years..
As it says in the article" Warren Buffett’s Brooks Running shoes brand looks set for a similar, permanent move. “We don’t do musical chairs in our supply chain,” CEO Jim Weber told CNBC."
https://hanoitimes.vn/vietnam-may-reap-benefits-from-us-companies-leaving-china-amcham-2386.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/01/trump-ordered-us-firms-to-ditch-china-but-many-already-have.html
" In 2018, Trump hit China with tariffs, causing some businesses to rethink where they made their products. Some chose to shift manufacturing to Vietnam."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgm8vxevyplo
 
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The US had Trade and Investment Framework Agreements with 84 countries.
These (TIFAs) provide strategic frameworks and principles for dialogue on trade and investment issues between the United States and the other parties to the TIFA.
Trump tore up all those agreements along with free trade agreements with 20 countries by applying tariffs, why sign another useless piece of paper that he won't respect when he doesn't deem it necessary.
Look at the US Constitution, just a piece of paper with signatures on it, none of them his so why even honour it?
https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/trade-investment-framework-agreements
 

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i agree the tariffs will be inflationary.
Trump will need to get new trade deals done quickly or this will blow up on him.

however you are dead wrong about "Biden's inflation,"
The 'Inflation Reduction Act" ??? it was an excuse to spend and print more money >> inflation as was observed
i doubt there has ever been a more inappropriate name for a bill
Again, up for debate, but inflation did cool after that bill passed. Causation/Correlation? Maybe, maybe not.

But, let me ask you this: If Trump negotiates, then he's basically ruined his plan. I mean, if the goal was to re-shore American manufacturing, you would keep the tariffs on for as long as it took. But, if he brokers new "deals," that basically means companies can just move manufacturing to those countries.

I know his cult (and I am not including you) thinks this is a genius move, like he's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers....But, that just means he's playing the wrong game and will lose or be disqualified...
 

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Do these countries still not understand? Trump isn't striving towards fair trade. Trump wants to buck the laws of economics by having EQUAL trade between America, the richest country in the world with the most buying power, and poor nations whose consumers make 100x less income. What he's looking for isn't possible.

Right now, Trump is a crazy guy holding a grenade, and every country is trying to convince him not to blow it up in their neighborhood. Trump's supporters will consider this "winning", and it'll feed Trump's ego, but letting that grenade blow would take out Trump too. He has a limited time to show the benefit of this before it kills him in the midterm. American consumers haven't felt the shock of these tariffs yet, and industry is only just starting to. If there aren't some deals soon, those effects will be felt over the coming weeks and months and I don't think average Americans have the stomach for it in the way the average Chinese do.
 
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So far, Trump claims to have suitors rushing to obtain exemptions and deals, but no specifics have been supplied and Trump claims to have despised all approaches. There's no way of fact-checking this claim
 
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Do these countries still not understand? Trump isn't striving towards fair trade. Trump wants to buck the laws of economics by having EQUAL trade between America, the richest country in the world with the most buying power, and poor nations whose consumers make 100x less income. What he's looking for isn't possible.

Right now, Trump is a crazy guy holding a grenade, and every country is trying to convince him not to blow it up in their neighborhood. Trump's supporters will consider this "winning", and it'll feed Trump's ego, but letting that grenade blow would take out Trump too. He has a limited time to show the benefit of this before it kills him in the midterm. American consumers haven't felt the shock of these tariffs yet, and industry is only just starting to. If there aren't some deals soon, those effects will be felt over the coming weeks and months and I don't think average Americans have the stomach for it in the way the average Chinese do.
The average American still has a vote. The average Chinese citizen doesn't. Hence the difference.
 

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What are the Democrats doing that is counter productive?
Protesting DOGE / USAID cuts
Protesting deportation of illegal immigrants
Protests in tesla (what was that about?)
those are all counter productive... democrat congressmen and women shouldn't be on the streets...they should be back at the house working their ass off...
 

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So far, Trump claims to have suitors rushing to obtain exemptions and deals, but no specifics have been supplied and Trump claims to have despised all approaches. There's no way of fact-checking this claim
It's not even 3 months in...Jesus Christ Mandy... Biden was basically incognito for 4 years and have not heard a single complaint from you.
 

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Again, up for debate, but inflation did cool after that bill passed. Causation/Correlation? Maybe, maybe not.
no debate, if you print money, existing money gets devalued


But, let me ask you this: If Trump negotiates, then he's basically ruined his plan. I mean, if the goal was to re-shore American manufacturing, you would keep the tariffs on for as long as it took. But, if he brokers new "deals," that basically means companies can just move manufacturing to those countries.
you really do not understand
his goal is to be able to claim a win.

re re-shoring
he is already claiming a win

Since taking office, President Trump has secured nearly $2 trillion in U.S.-based investment — and the best is yet to come.


I know his cult (and I am not including you) thinks this is a genius move, like he's playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers....But, that just means he's playing the wrong game and will lose or be disqualified...
He is risking long term relationships & alienating allies.

The USMCA is a deal he signed , yet now he reneges on that deal
My word is my bond
The US is no longer a trustworthy trade partner, yet is a desired trade partner only because of volume
 

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It's not even 3 months in...Jesus Christ Mandy... Biden was basically incognito for 4 years and have not heard a single complaint from you.
mandrill would not understand objectivity if it ran him over

if Trump expressed his love for puppies , Mandrill would start kicking puppies
 
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It's not even 3 months in...Jesus Christ Mandy... Biden was basically incognito for 4 years and have not heard a single complaint from you.
Biden didn't deport gay hairdressers to death camps in El Salvador.
 

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It's not even 3 months in...Jesus Christ Mandy... Biden was basically incognito for 4 years and have not heard a single complaint from you.
What was there to complain about? The market was doing well.

Only imbeciles want their leader to be an entertainer. And god bless America, they have millions and millions of them and they got their wish…
 
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They are certainly rushing to the negotiating table. Rushing to the table to crash America.

 

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What was there to complain about? The market was doing well.

Only imbeciles want their leader to be an entertainer. And god bless America, they have millions and millions of them and they got their wish…
No it's not...if the market was doing well and everything was great...Biden would've been on his way for a 2nd term...only imbeciles think everything was great under Biden...glad that's history now.
 
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