Would you download a gun? 100,000 people already have...
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why must you go from one extreme to another ? why can't you find a middle ground that works. why are you so angry at looking at other developed countries with gun laws that work and adopting their policy. what are you afraid of ?
Because you can't overlook 100s of variables while pin pointing to one policy and yell "see it works!" And this is exactly what the average anti-gun person does.
i am not anti gun. i have owned guns and will own guns again. i see no problem at all with the canadian laws. several other civilized places have put in place gun controls that work. i find it cowardly to be afraid to even think about thinking there is a problem.
yes canada has criminals, yes canadian criminals also ignore the law. gun control laws still work.
i need 1 gun to protect my house and i can use that same gun to go hunting. i can keep that gun locked up with trigger locks. i have no issue waiting 7 days to get it so who is selling it can do a full check on me to make sure i am not crazy. i have no problem registering the gun, yes i know long gun registry is gone but i never had a problem with it.
i don't see any need to have 10 guns with 30 round clips and spread in every room of the house.
i don't see any need to have 10 guns with 30 round clips and spread in every room of the house.
and i believe that there is no reason for trucks to be on the road, and i believe that to prevent accidents with trucks you should only be able to drive between 12 am and 6 am...
there is just no reason for them, see same kind of logic.
why should there be magazine capacity limit of 5 rounds? why do i need a authorization to transport my firearm to a gun range when i already have a valid possession and acquisition license in the first place? why do i need another authorization to transport my firearm from the store?
why are security guards allowed to carry firearms to protect money, but i cannot carry one to protect my life?
your truck argument is dumb, you stick up for them in other threads and then trash them when i go making sense. to compare trucks to guns is very dumb.
if no one else was carrying a gun why would you need to carry one ? why does it hurt your life to have to make a call before you go to a gun range ? how many people do you have trying to kill you on a regular basis ?
I should just get rid of my dozen fishing rods. Who needs a 10foot steelhead rod or a 6foot ultra stiff trolling rod for deep sea trolling or my 7.5 foot flipping stick or my 6.5 foot ultra-light crappie rod etc. I could just use a bamboo pole with a string and plastic bobber and a hook with a worm for all my fishing needs. Heck, sell the SUV and pickup and just use a Corolla to haul all my building supplies.
People forget that ammo, at least in Canada is still a controlled item and to 3D print a one time use gun takes a LOT of hours... close to 24hrs I'm told. One silly article claimed that having 3D technology and gun plans can lead to more crimes of passion. Haha, shows how much the author researched the topic.
Who needs a plastic gun when you can go to HomeDepot and pick up parts to make a pipe shotgun that will outlast a plastic disposable pistol?
People forget that ammo, at least in Canada is still a controlled item and to 3D print a one time use gun takes a LOT of hours... close to 24hrs I'm told. One silly article claimed that having 3D technology and gun plans can lead to more crimes of passion. Haha, shows how much the author researched the topic.
Who needs a plastic gun when you can go to HomeDepot and pick up parts to make a pipe shotgun that will outlast a plastic disposable pistol?
im trying to show you how my opinion on something that doesn't affect me but affects you is silly...just as yours is about guns and what you "think" people need or should have.
as for no one carrying a gun? do you watch the news at all? there is no shortage of criminals who are willing to rob, kill and rape people.
and why does it hurt my life to make a phone call?? hahahah once again im trying to show you how ridiculous our system is and how it does nothing to actually prevent crime, just harassed the LAW ABIDING CITIZEN while making the uneducated and naive believe that it somehow is preventing CRIMINALS from breaking the law.
yes i watch the news. i see that there is minimal gun crime and armed robbery in places like canada and australia and other places that have strict gun laws. i see it running wild in the u.s that has almost none.
i am not getting into another truck talk with you. trucks and vehicles in general were built to make our lives easier and accidents were a horrible side effect. guns were only designed for one thing and that was to kill.
does calling and saying your are heading to a gun range or saying you are taking your gun hunting really ruin your day all that much ? if our system does nothing to prevent crime why don't you read about endless armed robbery and hold ups every single day ? seems that some rules work.
why are you so terrified to admit that the u.s gun regulations are pathetic and do nothing ?
and why are you so terrified to admit that more laws wont prevent people from breaking the current ones?
and the only purpose of guns isnt to kill, they are used for target practice, hunting and self defence. majority of police officers for example will never have to draw their guns in their career, simply having it is deterrent enough for most.
me saying that trucks are meant for nothing else but to kill innocent drivers is the same as you saying guns are only used to kill.
you have to be able to think outside the box simon, if guns were the problem your local police station would be a blood bath, however the opposite is true.
im all for keeping firearms from people who shouldn't have them, but stop going after the law abiding citizens in a sad attempt to appear that something is being done about the criminals
Its is also mentally insane that parents buy their 5 year-olds Jiminy Cricket 22 cal rifles then shoot their little sister to death BUT that's America.
so guns were created for target practice ? guns were created to kill, the rest is side effects to make them kill better. guns were not only meant for robberies, guns are used in hunting. trucks and vehicles were invented to move people and products and make lives easier. can you really tell me that person who invented guns was sitting around trying to think of ways to make holes in paper and this was the best idea he came up with ? guns were invented to kill, either for war or food.
i would say i am thiking farther outside the box as i am trying to think of a ways to fix the problem you are just saying there is no problem. i have never said take guns away, people should be able to own a gun if they want to for self defense and hunting. i don't recall anyone saying no one should be able to own guns. show me a link to the proposed law that says all gun owners have to turn in their fire arms instantly and no one is allowed to own guns ever again. that is a really dull argument.
Guns are out there on the street in the hands of evil men. The fact remains that it is too late to get the bad guys to surrender them and obey laws. The genie was out of the bottle the minute firearms were invented. A firearm will be around long after you, your kids, grandkids, their kids and their kids kids are long gone from this world and evil people will always have them. If by a wave of a magic wand ALL guns in the world would disappear, by all means, I'll just play more golf instead of the range but we all know that isn't going to happen, not in our lifetime. Defence is better than pine box and if one never experiences a threat to their lives or the lives of their loved ones, count their blessings. I'd hate to be defenceless at a time when I need it most. Like having seat belts. You wear 'em even though you never think you'll get into an accident but the day you do get into a serious one, you'd be sure glad you had them.
That being said, I don't own firearms for the sole purpose of self-defence because we all know that that is NOT a reason to own firearms in Canada. I shoot targets at the range and hunt. I have different guns for different shooting disciplines. They're basically tools. Just like I have different knives for different tasks in the kitchen. Funny how knives were designed to cut and kill yet we don't ban those.
Like HeyHey said, just having one is a deterrent such as in the situation in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon back in December where a shooter killed himself after someone with a concealed pistol confronted him. The CCW carrier did not need to fire a single shot to diffuse the situation. He chose NOT to shoot for fear of accidentally shooting someone had he missed. Guess not all law abiding gun owners are deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth baby killers.
That being said, I don't own firearms for the sole purpose of self-defence because we all know that that is NOT a reason to own firearms in Canada. I shoot targets at the range and hunt. I have different guns for different shooting disciplines. They're basically tools. Just like I have different knives for different tasks in the kitchen. Funny how knives were designed to cut and kill yet we don't ban those.
Like HeyHey said, just having one is a deterrent such as in the situation in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon back in December where a shooter killed himself after someone with a concealed pistol confronted him. The CCW carrier did not need to fire a single shot to diffuse the situation. He chose NOT to shoot for fear of accidentally shooting someone had he missed. Guess not all law abiding gun owners are deranged, foaming-at-the-mouth baby killers.
It's not insane to buy your kid a rifle. It's comes down to piss poor parenting that allowed their son to have easy access to the firearm and piss poor storage for securing the firearm and ammunition.
in case of an accident seat belt might hurt you but in all likelihood it will help you. In case of an accident involving guns the chance that your own gun will hurt you is probably as big statistically as the chance that it will help you.
That's true, we could still charge someone found in illegal possession of a gun.
However any notion of having a registry of guns and gun owners, background checks, and tracking who sold what to who, etc., is clearly killed by the 3D printer thing. I mean the first generation of these things just aren't very good--doubtful accuracy and limited number of shots. But in a decade or three they will be printing off good reliable firearms, and then what is the point of having a registry or a background check?
In a decade or three, you won't be able to own a gun without interested parties knowing it. You won't be able to carry it on the street without being intercepted immediately by authorities. Print off a gun, they will know it. This might be a good thing, or it might be a bad thing. In the meantime, I'll get a three dee printer and make body armor.
