First of all this thread has been hijacked into a male vs female debate and I can go on for days about that. But I digress. Let's get back on topic. It is absolute lunacy that this woman has to die this way for committing adultery. WTF??? But what should concern all of us even more is that Iran has been voted as head of the UN Human Rights Council. What kind of sick world are we living in?
Yet even more islamic lunacy: mother of two to be stoned to death!
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One with secondary motives.But what should concern all of us even more is that Iran has been voted as head of the UN Human Rights Council. What kind of sick world are we living in?
Damn right.It is absolute lunacy that this woman has to die this way for committing adultery. WTF???
Working 60 hours a week but have no money? That's a raw deal.Whats doing well have to do with my schedule? I have all the time i need, even after wasting 3 minutes signing up for this board 7 years ago. Nobody really needs to be on this board, they`re here because they want to be. I have friends who are currently working 60 hours a week, they are the ones that have no time, energy or money.
The lengths that the Islam-apologists go to defend the indefensible actions of the religion of peace truly astounds me.
Here’s the arguments:
Christians are just as bad because we used to stone people 2 millennia before. It’s even in the bible.
Yeah, we did that back when we were backward and primitive. We don’t do that anymore and we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior. Why do we tolerate that backward and primitive behavior from Islam?
Christians are just as bad because we kill people who break our laws.
Sure, in some places in the Christian world, they kill 1st degree murderers and cop killers. In the Islamic world, they kill adulterers and blasphemers . Big difference.
Here’s the arguments:
Christians are just as bad because we used to stone people 2 millennia before. It’s even in the bible.
Yeah, we did that back when we were backward and primitive. We don’t do that anymore and we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior. Why do we tolerate that backward and primitive behavior from Islam?
Christians are just as bad because we kill people who break our laws.
Sure, in some places in the Christian world, they kill 1st degree murderers and cop killers. In the Islamic world, they kill adulterers and blasphemers . Big difference.
I'm not really disagreeing with your points, but thought I'd make a few comments.
Who knows, maybe in the future when gays get the right to legally marry, Christians will look back and say "hey, why were we so intolerant, backward, and primitive back then?" My point being that you are only as primitive as your future selves show you to be.Christians are just as bad because we used to stone people 2 millennia before. It’s even in the bible.
Yeah, we did that back when we were backward and primitive. We don’t do that anymore and we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior. Why do we tolerate that backward and primitive behavior from Islam?
Not debating your point...just an idle curiosity as to why 1st degree murderers and cop killers are classed separately. As if one is worse than the other...Christians are just as bad because we kill people who break our laws.
Sure, in some places in the Christian world, they kill 1st degree murderers and cop killers. In the Islamic world, they kill adulterers and blasphemers . Big difference.
Dead is dead. As for due process, there are more than enough cases of people being wrongfully convicted. And of course, you have to fact in Socio-economic and racial data as well. If you are poor, especially a poor black male, due process is often more like a rubber stamp. In North America, we kill convicted murderers to prove that murder is wrong. I take it you don't see the disconnect there. They have what they consider "due process", we have ours.Your analogies suck. At least, there's due process for the electric chair for someone that's committed a heinous crime. In any event, would you rather be stoned to death?
Actually, Exxon got most of the money back after appeal. Look it up. Are people better off in the West? Of course they are. They have been raping and pillaging the rest of the world for the past 400 years. Just ask the Beothuk in Newfoundland who became extinct as a separate ethnice group in 1829. Or the natives that were deliberately infected with small pox. Or how about the large US MNC that moved a chemical factory to India because health and safety regulations are much laxer there, and the rate of pay is much less. So what if they gas an entire community in the name of profits, eh? How about the toxic sludge ponds that are a by-product of the Tar Sands. Apparently 2.5 barrels of toxic sludge is dumped for every 1 barrel of oil extracted. Are those ponds completely "water" tight? Of course not.Barbaric economic system? You tell me that Exxon didn't pay for that spill? Aren't people as a whole better off in the west? What other economic systems are superior? The one that accounted for the Chernobyl nuclear disaster? Where's your Utopia?
Utopia is an imagined place. Without criticism, society stands still and stagnates.
As for the original point of discussion, stoning is certainly a barbaric act. But no less so are the way we deal with prisoners. The title of this thread is a deliberate racist provocation. One can find good and bad in any religion, Islam Christian Jewish or Sikh or [insert religion].
Deliberately fanning the flames of hatred is not helpful to bridging the gulf of ignorance.
Big difference?The lengths that the Islam-apologists go to defend the indefensible actions of the religion of peace truly astounds me.
Here’s the arguments:
Christians are just as bad because we used to stone people 2 millennia before. It’s even in the bible.
Yeah, we did that back when we were backward and primitive. We don’t do that anymore and we wouldn’t tolerate that kind of behavior. Why do we tolerate that backward and primitive behavior from Islam?
Christians are just as bad because we kill people who break our laws.
Sure, in some places in the Christian world, they kill 1st degree murderers and cop killers. In the Islamic world, they kill adulterers and blasphemers . Big difference.
In any given society individuals know what the laws are are what the penalties are for breaking those laws.
In our society, we expect people from different cultures and societies to adopt to our legal framework and our societal norms. We are a liberal democratic people by and large. But when we travel to other countries and immerse ourselves in a different culture, we decide that our culture is "superior" and and are offended when the host country does not accept our [practices, beliefs, drinking habits, sexual habits]. In short, we practise cultural imperialism. We demand that others change to our world view.
As a culture, we have decided that individual choice is important, as is individual responsibility. But on a cultural level, we do not believe that other belief systems are as valid as our own. We simply do not grant the same autonomy to other cultures, that we grant to ourselves as individuals or as a society.
So when you say "big difference", the reality is that is is not as great a difference as you would have us believe. Both cultures have their norms, and both cultures punish those that step outside the box.
