You have a right to defend yourself
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Another case where a good guy with a gun works against a bad guy without a gun. Apart from the fact that a single employee working a midnight shift in any store is basically rolling the dice every night I wonder what kind of store item 711 suggests she should have used instead. A can of soup maybe. You'd think the charges laid against the perp should be a free pass for her. On the bright side. Gas is only $2.37 a gallon.
I remember a story from years ago in Quebec where a 17 year old girl was murdered by 2 robbers while she was working the overnight at a gas station. What parent would allow that?
I am always surprised when I see clerks working in all night stores by themselves. Kind of shows a complete disregard by the owners. Similar stories all the time. I remember one in Burnaby years ago. Robbed an all-night clerk at a Chevron station. Made him liie down on the floor and shot him in the back of the head. For small change. Never caught the perps.
Some of these shops don't even have cameras in them. At least now they shut the doors at 11pm and only the clerk has access but how much more would it cost to have a second employee there.
I do not know, but maybe it is the job of the Police, not the store owners, to prevent crime? It does not take much to extend this logic to say "kind of shows a complete disregard by women who decide to walk on the street in mini-shorts and tight t-shirts".
Your logic. Not mine. So, your logic says a minimum wage employee who takes a night shift at a 711 or other risky enterprise is responsible for inviting the risks on herself and that a girl who walks around in a mini skirt and a tight t shirt is responsible for inviting the risks of getting raped. And No, it is not the responsibility of the police to provide a safe workplace for 711 employees. It is 711's responsibility. It is also not the girl in a miniskirt who is responsible for getting raped. Neither is is the police's responsibility to decide how she dresses. It is the responsibility of the rapist.
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The federal minimum wage for covered nonexempt employees is $7.25 per hour.
Is this REALLY what you meant to say, ie: that women's clothing choices should be determined by rapists? I thought that gay fashion designers and TikTok influencers made those decisions for them. Who knew.
Has nothing to do with a Liberal government and they stabbed her to death. Why was a 17 year old working the graveyard shift by herself. If I remember correctly it was a former co worker of hers who was fired for theft that was one of the robbers.
Man who killed a 17-year-old woman during robbery dies while incarcerated
Tommy Gagné, a man who took part in the murder of 17-year-old Bigitte Serre in 2006 while she was working alone in a gas station in St-Léonard, has died while incar…
montrealgazette.com
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I've been over this ridiculously illogical narrative about women out at night, wearing skimpy clothing etc before.
It is extremely simple, and it is based on a very clear distinction between what you SHOULD be able to do, and what happens if you follow that logic.
CRIMINALS ARE LIKE ANIMALS. THEY HAVE NO MORALITY.
So....... if there was a nice-looking lake in Florida that said "No Swimming, alligators" - would you swim across? I doubt it.
Or.... why not leave your car unlocked, keys on the seat, or leave your door unlocked at night, or let your 8 year old daughter go to the mall and back by herself in a bus - after all, in all these situations the fault lies with the criminals, doesn't it?
Well, yes, yes it does. SO WHAT?
If you regard the criminal as nothing more than an amoral animal. then you can blame him all you want, but you were still victimized! It is exactly like blaming the alligator in the pond for killing you if you swam across. You are ascribing NORMAL MORALITY to criminals that doesn't exist. You might as well call for laws to preserve the right to go into the forest in June in shorts and spaghetti strap top and not be attacked by mosquitoes. You can ban mosquitoes, you can ban crime, but that doesn't achieve anything.
So, I have heard women say, "Well, society should ensure that we can wear what we want safely and go where we want safely blah blah blah". Yeah, well I should also be able to go anywhere under any conditions and not be a victim of crime. And there should be world peace.
All they are saying is that "there shouldn't be crime" . That is it, that is how silly a comment it is. It's like saying, I should be able to go through the streets of a dodgy area of town at 3 AM wearing expensive watches and jewelry, and I have the right to be safe. Yes, but if you are robbed you are a fool.
So back to your comment:
Is this REALLY what you meant to say, ie: that women's clothing choices should be determined by rapists?
Answer: depends.
Women should be able to wear whatever they want , at any place, at any time. If that leads to an increased risk of attack, they have to weigh the costs/risks versus the benefits.
But make no mistake, crime isn't going anywhere.
And by the way, saying "well, men just have to stop being rapists" - all you are saying is that criminals shouldn't be criminals. Good luck with that. Anyways, the defining characteristic of rapists is that they.....wait for it......rape! Not that they are men.
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Ya got me. I thought what I was saying was that committing the crime was the responsibility or fault, of the rapist. Not the girl, for wearing skimpy clothing. It is not the responsibility of a night shift worker getting robbed at a 711 store for getting robbed. It is the responsibility or, fault of the robber.
Yep, it is the responsibility of the rapist (in case of the girl) and the responsibility of the murderer in case of a store clerk. Desire to save money (for the government - by having larger police present, for store owners - by not hiring extra security) is a very natural thing, except that for the government it is what they are supposed to do (and what are taxes are for), while store owners should not be expected to pay for it - it sis still the government job to provide safe (from crime) environment in the country no matter where and when it is. So, if you want to find someone to blame, then, after the criminals themselves, first it should be the government, then it should be the victims who knew that the government does not do an adequate job in providing necessary security but still decide to risk it. As for the store owners - I do not see any blame for them. As long as there is no health hazard that is not related to outside criminals - it is not their responsibility.
If I'm on the parole board this fucktard would never see the light of day for minimum 25 years. 72 times he stabbed the poor girl. That's maniacal. I have a hard time believing one could ever fully rehabilitate if they were capable of such a heinous act. If ever I'm in doubt I would defer to the victim's family's wishes. And this time they did. Good job.Has nothing to do with a Liberal government and they stabbed her to death. Why was a 17 year old working the graveyard shift by herself. If I remember correctly it was a former co worker of hers who was fired for theft that was one of the robbers.
Man who killed a 17-year-old woman during robbery dies while incarcerated
Tommy Gagné, a man who took part in the murder of 17-year-old Bigitte Serre in 2006 while she was working alone in a gas station in St-Léonard, has died while incar…
