Zero tolerance for drunk driving is CRAZY.

[jwmorrice]

These are compelling as a cursory read, for sure. But they're liberalized stats in matching up other factors. Not saying they're not true, but I'd have to look more closely at the studies themselves.

My point is that a drunk driving charge is a very serious social stigma. You are attaching this charge to people who are below any reasonable drunk driving limits as they exist now. Is this worth the yield? I believe that age bracket has a bigger problem in texting behind the wheel. Yet there is no such social stimga and career-limiting charge behind that. I believe there will be a driver distraction carnage with electronic devices that will create a new form of MADD. But anyway...

As a society, we must measure our liberties in relationship to the greater good. For me, this steps across the line.

One thing's for sure: If they're dead, they won't be carrying any "social stigma."

jwm

 

[Esco!]

New legislation will make it illegal for young and new drivers to have a single drop of alcohol in their system when they drive.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/538684

Great idea IMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And lets extend it to adults also, if you been drinking even 1 drink dont get behind the wheel.
If you do get a designated driver or a taxi, its that simple.

 

[stormchaseryvr]

If you drink and drive you deserve to die. Please at least have the courtesy to crash in to a tree or light post instead of someone else.

 

[chiller_boy]

New legislation will make it illegal for young and new drivers to have a single drop of alcohol in their system when they drive.

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/538684

An example of absurd zero tolerance policies that have no relationship to reality. I'm all for reducing drunk driving, absolutely, but not in absolute terms. You can't ask people to not have one drink. It's criminalizing people in a wholly unreasonable way.

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Will the charge be a criminal charge? It cant be drunk driving or dui since yoiu are not drunk, It really violation of the driving liscense contract that you have entered into as a new driver. And yes, I think we can ask people (new drivers) not to have a single drink if they are going to drive or not to use a cellphone while driving or not to drive with bald tires. This doesn't limit your freedom - cars come with responsibilites as do guns, food handling and a host of other things.

 

[squash500]

These are the tragic deaths that started this whole new legislation .


http://santaclausfund.ca/News/Ontario/article/456916


IMHO, from what I read in the news at a later date. These teens were served a total of at least 31 alcoholic beverages at a posh Lake Joseph golf and country club.

The father of the driver was the person who wrote a letter to Dalton etc.

 

[Aardvark154]

They are not asking people not to have one drink. They are telling new drivers not to have one drink and drive. Remember, it is not your right to drive, it is a privilege.

Other provinces (BC) have had this policy for years.

Also Manitoba and twelve U.S. states.

 

[3Tees]

And yes, I think we can ask people (new drivers) not to have a single drink if they are going to drive or not to use a cellphone while driving or not to drive with bald tires. This doesn't limit your freedom - cars come with responsibilites as do guns, food handling and a host of other things.

Not only can we ask them - the last time I looked, it was law that someone could not have a drink of alcohol until they were 19, but could get their license at 16!!!

Zero tolerance on this - I absolutely support it. Besides other good arguments above, it gets young people into forming good driving habits now.

 

[nottyboi]

Legislation like this shows just how idiotic and devoid of ideas our politicians are. We are trying to protect the PS2 generation...so lets create a driving simulator, and make them play it until they have accumulated 200 accident free hours...(one accident and you go back to ZERO) until they have 200 hours, they are not allowed to drive on the road.. end of story. The simulator wil throw some difficult scenarios at them as well.

 

[S.C. Joe]

any drink of alcohol slowes down ones reaction weather driving or not I say
when caught with alcohol I'd seize the vehicle and sell it at public auction.

So why not have the same standard for ALL drivers ...Japan and other country's have a lower blood alcohol limit.

Sure the newer driver might not be able to handle the car as good after just one drink...same with a 70 year old person, but the 70 year old can have a drink and then drive legally.

Laws should be fair and the same for all people, no matter their income or age or race..but age is one area that seems to get pick on...is it cause all the laws are written by older people? Think so.

 

[nottyboi]

So why not have the same standard for ALL drivers ...Japan and other country's have a lower blood alcohol limit.

Sure the newer driver might not be able to handle the car as good after just one drink...same with a 70 year old person, but the 70 year old can have a drink and then drive legally.

Laws should be fair and the same for all people, no matter their income or age or race..but age is one area that seems to get pick on...is it cause all the laws are written by older people? Think so.

Why? Because alcohol is a BIG BUSINESS, and bars all over this country employ thousands of people and generate billions of dollars of tax revenues. Everytime I get a call from MADD asking for money, I tell them I can't as I need the money to buy booze lol.

 

[amber-jade]

Why? Because alcohol is a BIG BUSINESS, and bars all over this country employ thousands of people and generate billions of dollars of tax revenues. Everytime I get a call from MADD asking for money, I tell them I can't as I need the money to buy booze lol.

that might be a little rude ...
many of the MADD volunteers are family members of someone who died .
do to a DRUNK driver...



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[The Oracle]

I hate to say it but after some thought I would be in favour of that legislation. I worked in the hospitality business for years and what I have seen with regard to people of any age getting behind the wheel drunk would astonish you. I'll sacrifice tax dollars and some personal freedoms if it will save lives.

 

[maurice93]

You miss the point by a mile(what a surprise)They are new inexperienced drivers, so yeah they should have all their wits about them, so no they should not have one drop of alcohol in their systems. As someone who needs his license everyday for my family and my job , I have a no drink policy when I am driving, if I am going to a SC i make other arrangements(cab). I know 4 people who have beaten the impair change using ex-coppers(1 guy did it twice) but I also know a family that was destroyed when their son killed someone while impaired. So i guess I don't see your point at all. If you don't want these kinds of laws then fix they ones that are already in place. Teach the police how to get an impair charge to stick in court and get the courts to impose maximum fines and jail, if smart people learn that they won't get away with it then only the stupid will be charged.

The problem I see with this law,Already a loop hole, some medicines contain alcohol.

No its quite clear you missed the point entirely.

 

[amber-jade]

Hey everybody enjoys some booze. It's not the drinkers who are bad people. Your mom, your pop, yours and mine and our brothers and sisters and gramdma and grandpas they all drank booze and they fuckin enjoyed it!

drink all you want..hell, i have my fair share too...but the two just don't mix these days...
maybe you are able to intermix both...but if someone hits you while driving
( lets face it...most people can't drive even sober )...and they died..
it's YOU who gets locked up...just not worth it...

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[johnyboy]

The law should apply to everyone because it leads to cheating oneself into thinking they are not over after havng 3 large drafts. You had a drink don't drive..makes it easy to know when you had to much. If you can afford to drink in a bar...get a cab

 

[nottyboi]

that might be a little rude ...
many of the MADD volunteers are family members of someone who died .
do to a DRUNK driver...



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I sympathise, but they are infringing on my civil liberties. They need to find a more productive way to deal with their grief. Maybe volunteer in alcohol rehab or to drive people home, they just criminalizing productive members of society for minor misdemeanors.

 

[iprint]

No its quite clear you missed the point entirely.

care to explain or just adding to your posting count?

 

[amber-jade]

I sympathise, but they are infringing on my civil liberties. They need to find a more productive way to deal with their grief. Maybe volunteer in alcohol rehab or to drive people home, they just criminalizing productive members of society for minor misdemeanors.

WE... do all that and alot more...

please define...'' minor misdemeanors'', in relation to driving after drinking??


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[gentle_lover]

You realize how fascist that is. Let's get red-haired drivers off the road as well. And dawdlers. And big, noisy trucks that drop gravel as they drive.

Let see, people with red hair (I assume you are talking about natural red-haired) do not choose to be a red-haired person, and big, noisy trucks that drop gravel as they drive, the gravel do not kill people. This is an example of a comparison between an orange and an apple.

People do and can choose between drinking and driving. If you drink and drive, you are an irresponsible and selfish person. I know it may sounds unfair that you can't drive when you have alcohol under the safety level. But, who can control a person to drink responsibly and to guarantee that person will obey the law other than him or her self. I agree with the tougher law. This will make people choose. You still can drink, but you can't drive. You can't have a cake and eat it too. I hope they make the law not just for young driver, but ALL driver. I also think it will be a good idea to install those alcohol level test in every car.

 

[Rylan]

They have to make it a more secure and fair system.

Shit - guys go out partying on a Thursday and are driving to work on Friday morning yet they still have alcohol in their blood.

Make the law fair, right and just and I am okay with it. This is a little too much I agree.