The Discussion That Anti-Zionism is Not Anti-Semitism

[mandrill]

You've already gotten your wish then.
Pretty sure some have already been called out.

Sadly, like the Kent State shooting, police beating up and even killing students tends to be popular.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784708537685271010

There you go. There's a little Jew-hate for you.

When you read about a student being killed, tell me. In the meantime, I've seen a lot of fairly restrained cops physically removing a lot of overly entitled, rich, mainly white profs and students who appear to think they can break the law with impunity and yell "foul" when they find out they can't.

I'd like to think that Kent State can't happen again in America. Unlike most of the others on this board, I remember it taking place.

It's a nice, dramatic flex because everybody is doing the "It's like 1968 all over again!" bullshit.

 

[Kautilya]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784708537685271010

There you go. There's a little Jew-hate for you.

When you read about a student being killed, tell me. In the meantime, I've seen a lot of fairly restrained cops physically removing a lot of overly entitled, rich, mainly white profs and students who appear to think they can break the law with impunity and yell "foul" when they find out they can't.

I'd like to think that Kent State can't happen again in America. Unlike most of the others on this board, I remember it taking place.

It's a nice, dramatic flex because everybody is doing the "It's like 1968 all over again!" bullshit.

There is absolutely no Jew hate there. Hate against Israel and Zionism is not anti-semitism, so your argument falls flat right there.

 

[Frankfooter]

There is absolutely no Jew hate there. Hate against Israel and Zionism is not anti-semitism, so your argument falls flat right there.

Its their only defence these days. The arguments are clear and rationale.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783503350425641071

 

[basketcase]

Most people screaming that anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism are the ones desperately trying to convince themselves that they are really a good person despite recognizing the trends of their posts. The rest of the world is aware of there being a difference.

Just a hint; if someone repeatedly claims it Islamophobic to criticize Hamas but is happy complaining that Israel exists, they've gone way over that line.

 

[Frankfooter]

Most people screaming that anti-zionism isn't anti-semitism are the ones desperately trying to convince themselves that they are really a good person despite recognizing the trends of their posts. The rest of the world is aware of there being a difference.

Just a hint; if someone repeatedly claims it Islamophobic to criticize Hamas but is happy complaining that Israel exists, they've gone way over that line.

I see, so you're here arguing that its antisemitic to be against genocide.
That's its racist to protest against killing women and children.

You're doing a great job of painting a really unpleasant picture of your chosen people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mass-graves-gaza-khan-younis-israel-war-1.7182545

 

[shack]

I repeated a quote from both articles, the doctors wrote a letter saying they were zionists and support Israel and then were surprised people were pissed at them.

I posted one article. The 2nd article you are quoting is not what these particular doctors (the harassed ones) wrote. It is the lie that is being spread by those of the campaign to discredit these doctors. But you are doing exactly the same thing as those in the anti-Jewish campaign. DiManno was simply stating the lie that was being spread, but you are now claiming that that lie is the truth.

 

[shack]

Once a zionist always a zionist?

Don't you know that it's Ziontist? LOL.

 

[Frankfooter]

I posted one article. The 2nd article you are quoting is not what these particular doctors (the harassed ones) wrote. It is the lie that is being spread by those of the campaign to discredit these doctors. But you are doing exactly the same thing as those in the anti-Jewish campaign. DiManno was simply stating the lie that was being spread, but you are now claiming that that lie is the truth.

Are you denying that the doctors wrote a letter declaring their zionism and support of Israel, and that is what caused the trouble?

 

[shack]

Are you denying that the doctors wrote a letter declaring their zionism and support of Israel, and that is what caused the trouble?

Not the doctors that are currently the victims of this attack.

Are you denying that Hamas raped women on Oct.7?
Are you denying that Hamas used and are still using civilians as human shields?

 

[Frankfooter]

Not the doctors that are currently the victims of this attack.

Are you denying that Hamas raped women on Oct.7?
Are you denying that Hamas used and are still using civilians as human shields?

Yes, the doctors who wrote the letter declaring they were zionists are shocked that people think they are evil.
There is zero evidence of rape on Oct 7, no victims, no testimony, no evidence. Its as real as the beheaded baby story.
Hamas is not using human shields at all.

Israel is choosing genocide.

Bring on the ICC

 

[Valcazar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784708537685271010

There you go. There's a little Jew-hate for you.

When you read about a student being killed, tell me. In the meantime, I've seen a lot of fairly restrained cops physically removing a lot of overly entitled, rich, mainly white profs and students who appear to think they can break the law with impunity and yell "foul" when they find out they can't.

I think you and I have different views of what "fairly restrained cops" look like.

But the cops also shouldn't have been sent in in most cases.

I'd like to think that Kent State can't happen again in America. Unlike most of the others on this board, I remember it taking place.

I don't know why you would think that.
I think it is perfectly possible to have Kent State again (and Jacksonville) or even the University of New Mexico incident.
But, to be fair, with the advent of more "non-lethal" means, the odds are less just because the cops have more options before resorting to their guns.

 

[mandrill]

I think you and I have different views of what "fairly restrained cops" look like.

But the cops also shouldn't have been sent in in most cases.

What are the cops supposed to do when the students refuse to move? The cops then have to do their jobs and that involves physically moving the students. Every physical confrontation between cops and occupiers / protestors is pretty much the same.

Isn't the issue really WHEN the occupiers get turfed rather than IF ??

They have to move some time. They can't occupy the premises indefinitely. Some of them would stay for weeks. And some of the presence is genuinely intimidating to Jewish students.

 

[Valcazar]

I posted one article. The 2nd article you are quoting is not what these particular doctors (the harassed ones) wrote. It is the lie that is being spread by those of the campaign to discredit these doctors. But you are doing exactly the same thing as those in the anti-Jewish campaign. DiManno was simply stating the lie that was being spread, but you are now claiming that that lie is the truth.

You could simply find the public letter and link to it.
That should settle the issue.

 

[Valcazar]

What are the cops supposed to do when the students refuse to move? The cops then have to do their jobs and that involves physically moving the students. Every physical confrontation between cops and occupiers / protestors is pretty much the same.

Isn't the issue really WHEN the occupiers get turfed rather than IF ??

They have to move some time. They can't occupy the premises indefinitely. Some of them would stay for weeks. And some of the presence is genuinely intimidating to Jewish students.

These are real issues.
How do you negotiate a sit in?

The US tradition has been "send in the cops to forcibly remove them".
It's a shit tradition but one that has a lot of popular support.

And there are differing levels of force involved.
And whether or not to arrest and charge are choices.

People are going to disagree with what is appropriate.
You and I disagree with how this has been handled.

 

[shack]

Yes, the doctors who wrote the letter declaring they were zionists are shocked that people think they are evil.

The doctors who wrote the letter are not the ones being targetted.

There is zero evidence of rape on Oct 7, no victims, no testimony, no evidence.

It's difficult for dead people to give testimony.

Sorry Geno. The raping on Oct.7 is documented and has been denounced by the chief prosecutor of the ICJ/ICC.

Hamas is not using human shields at all.

That's how they managed to get so many Gazans killed. You know the people they were supposed to protect but built tunnels underneath them and put them in harms way instead.

Israel is choosing genocide.

Not according to the UNGA or UNSC. Why are you ignoring the UN? That is completely hypocritical of you. Fomenting hate by stating falsehoods is Hate Speech.

 

[shack]

You could simply find the public letter and link to it.
That should settle the issue.

Seeing as The Star is a well-respected publication and their reporters must corroborate their sources, it's safe for me to assume that DiManno did her due diligence. Why do you think otherwise?

 

[Frankfooter]

What are the cops supposed to do when the students refuse to move? The cops then have to do their jobs and that involves physically moving the students. Every physical confrontation between cops and occupiers / protestors is pretty much the same.

Isn't the issue really WHEN the occupiers get turfed rather than IF ??

They have to move some time. They can't occupy the premises indefinitely. Some of them would stay for weeks. And some of the presence is genuinely intimidating to Jewish students.

So now you're against illegal occupations?

 

[Frankfooter]

The doctors who wrote the letter are not the ones being targetted.

Yes, they are.

It's difficult for dead people to give testimony.

But then you'd have autopsy reports.
Why aren't there any?
Why are there no names of victims?

Sorry Geno. The raping on Oct.7 is documented and has been denounced by the chief prosecutor of the ICJ/ICC.

No, hammy, the UN went in and took notes of Israeli accusations. They copied them and said yes, investigate those allegations.
The UN has not stated that rape happened and has seen no evidence towards that.

That's how they managed to get so many Gazans killed. You know the people they were supposed to protect but built tunnels underneath them and put them in harms way instead.

Israel dropped 3 Hiroshima's worth of explosives on Gaza.
There is nowhere safe.

Not according to the UNGA or UNSC. Why are you ignoring the UN? That is completely hypocritical of you. Fomenting hate by stating falsehoods is Hate Speech.

This is the UN saying Israel is committing genocide.
Are you ignoring the UN?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5573-report-special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-palestinian

 

[Valcazar]

Seeing as The Star is a well-respected publication and their reporters must corroborate their sources, it's safe for me to assume that DiManno did her due diligence. Why do you think otherwise?

Can't read the Star's article and I would assume the reporting is about the harassment, not the letter itself.
Frank seems to be saying the text of the letter justifies the harassment, so I'd like to see the text of the letter.

 

[Klatuu]

Can't read the Star's article and I would assume the reporting is about the harassment, not the letter itself.
Frank seems to be saying the text of the letter justifies the harassment, so I'd like to see the text of the letter.

The letters have been linked to in this thread. The OP never provides the links to the letters in question.

http://daradocs.org/wp-content/uploads/Open-Statement-to-UofT.pdf