THE DAUGHTER has been ARRESTED in the Fatal Markham Home Invasion.

[fuji]

It means that the "Blacks are taking our city hostage again" rhetoric in the previous thread is not the case.

Blacks aren't taking "our city" hostage. They are, however, taking their own neighbourhoods hostage, and their violent acts deny too many Canadians the sort of life that people in this country deserve. Yup, most of those affected are black too--but how does that make it any less damning?

Are you ACTUALLY arguing that the crime is not so bad coz the victims are black???

 

[Major Major]

Everyone is all up in arms that someone suggested some black guys might have just done this without motivation?
Wow do you all live in a fucking bubble? If you have ever read the stats on crime perpetrated by race, per capita, you wouldn't be so surprised. And don't bother calling me a racist!
The reality is that black on black crime happens far and away, on a much greater scale, than any other, within their race. Black community leaders talk about this as being epidemic in the US. So wake up! On top of this, the most recent studies show that as cities across N.America become more ethnically diverse the crime rates continue to climb and blacks are incarcerated at an unprecedented level.

So you're saying that its ok and wise for one to shoot their mouth off before having all the facts about a specific case?

Yes.. two black people were involved... but so was one white person and all on the directive of an asian... the asian is just as guilty as the rest of em.

My point is simple - this thread opened with someone saying - oh I knew there was more to it, and accusing people of black bashing. It's not bashing, or slanderous, or racist or whatever you want to call it when it's fact!
But thanks for your input. I'm not sure what your point was in relation to anything!

Clearly the facts weren't all there right out of the gate...even a moron with the IQ of a night table could tell there was more to this story. But no....its all those terrible black people right?

you can broadly focus on race and fragmented information...that'll tell you shit.... I'll focus on all the facts as they pertain to each case; thats a lot more reliable.

good luck in whatever you do

 

[Rockslinger]

I suppose anything is possible but York Region LE isn't exactly CSI New York. Is it possible the daughter is just a convenient scapegoat so York Region LE can boast they solved this crime? Will they ever catch the other 3 suspects and what will they say?

 

[Major Major]

In the original thread – (which I deliberately chose to avoid rekindling), there was considerable discussion as to "it figures that it was 3 black guys" and "the black community this and that" like so often some posters on TERB love to spout off about. One poster in that previous thread referenced the Just Desserts murder - not me. (You can dig it up yourself if you don't believe me.) Anyway, the previous thread turned into a racist circle jerk. I know that there are problems with black criminals in Toronto. That's no secret, but the level of vitriol in the last thread was disgusting, shameful in fact.

I find it ironic that so many posters on TERB immediately jumped to the "has to be black" conclusion when there had been no arrests and now it turns out it was the Daughter who (allegedly) set the whole thing up.

The whole thing is very explosive I admit, and when I first saw the headline on the CBC, I couldn’t believe it. I’m not black, but I’m glad that it was not random violence perpetrated by blacks.

Dont bother with it Kirk...Some people just cant get over the fact that this wasnt just a "black thing"


Sorry to disappoint the rest of you guys

 

[Brandon123]

I originally thought it was the son involved in gangs but I wasn't that far off...

 

[GotGusto]

Blacks aren't taking "our city" hostage. They are, however, taking their own neighbourhoods hostage, and their violent acts deny too many Canadians the sort of life that people in this country deserve. Yup, most of those affected are black too--but how does that make it any less damning?

Are you ACTUALLY arguing that the crime is not so bad coz the victims are black???

I'm referring to this specific case and the previous thread pertaining to it. This case didn't involve black on black violence and it didn't take place in a black neighborhood.

 

[GotGusto]

I suppose anything is possible but York Region LE isn't exactly CSI New York. Is it possible the daughter is just a convenient scapegoat so York Region LE can boast they solved this crime? Will they ever catch the other 3 suspects and what will they say?

I certainly hope that's not the case, but anything's possible.

If those three suspects were involved, they'll probably get caught.

I don't know what the plan was but it doesn't take three men to kill two people. I guess it was supposed to look like a planned robbery.

 

[fuji]

I'm referring to this specific case and the previous thread pertaining to it. This case didn't involve black on black violence and it didn't take place in a black neighborhood.

It did however, yet again, feature blacks committing gun crimes in Toronto. Yes, it's unusual that the victims weren't black--but not THAT unusual, just ask the Creba family.

 

[james t kirk]

It did however, yet again, feature blacks committing gun crimes in Toronto. Yes, it's unusual that the victims weren't black--but not THAT unusual, just ask the Creba family.

Creba was a tragedy, no doubt about it. But it was a case of the wrong place at the wrong time and she was not an intended target. (Again, I'm not saying to forgive those involved in any way - they are all assholes and they deserve life - every last one of them.) But Creba was not a target.

The Home Invasion in Markham was different. This time you had a group of tugs targeting a house. Sure, it could have been a random target, but the crime was plotted out and carried out. This makes it a huge leap different than Creba. So many posters were immediately screaming SEE SEE - it's the blacks, it's the blacks, they are now plotting to kill us in our beds.

That simply was not the case.

And yet, even now on this thread you've got people already starting in, slowly at first, but rising in volume about blacks all being criminals. 2 of the hitmen were black, but they were hired guns. No different than any number of white hit men out there.

 

[smuddan]

Quote (originally posted by Major Major) : " .....the Asian is just as guilty as the rest of em."

No. If the daughter in deed was the mastermind behind the crime, then she's the worse kind of human beings, much much worse than the 3 thugs who were just hired guns.

If it's true that child molesters get tortured in jail, then I hope she gets the same treatment in every which way they can invent.

 

[fuji]

This makes it a huge leap different than Creba.

Sure, there are lots of differences. There is one thing in common though: Yet again someone in Toronto has been killed by someone who is black...

I think if there were fewer violent black gangs in Toronto this asian chick's parent would probably still be alive. First the influence of her black boyfriend probably led to her thinking murder is an acceptable answer. Second she had access to people willing to do these sorts of things.

I suspect it is, once again, at some level, the influence of that culture on crime in Toronto.

blacks all being criminals

No-one's saying that.

2 of the hitmen were black, but they were hired guns.

You don't know that.

No different than any number of white hit men out there.

Just more numerous.

 

[train]

I suppose anything is possible but York Region LE isn't exactly CSI New York. Is it possible the daughter is just a convenient scapegoat so York Region LE can boast they solved this crime? Will they ever catch the other 3 suspects and what will they say?

I don't think you need to be CSI when one of the victims( Father) lived

 

[train]

My guess is that the daughter was a high end girl who liked the finer things (bling) in life, but the parents were on a middle class budget.

She want's the bling, the parents won't cough up for it, she can't wait till they die of old age, she hires the hit men, figures she gets the insurance, or the assets (which she liquidates into cash).

Money = the root of all evil.

After bashing people for speculating, jumping to conclusions and profiling , not more than a dozen posts later you procede to do exactly the same thing. Ironic.

 

[Back Burner]

After bashing people for speculating, jumping to conclusions and profiling , not more than a dozen posts later you procede to do exactly the same thing. Ironic.

Good point!

My perspective. As a black man living in this city I really try to stay out of these discussions. Yes, we have a serious issue with young black males and guns in this city. The problem was in this case people like Plan B and his "attitude" was quick to judge even before thinking. But this thread will eventually get back to black crime, so let me start it.

Until our city and the people in it decide to address this issue, it's only going to get worse. Some black people need to get their shit together, but if people keep sticking their heads in the sand with the attitude, "it's not my problem", "It's a black problem", then it will never be solved. I'm tired of people bitching and complaining and pointing fingers saying, fix "your" problem, until a Jane Creba incident happens, then everyone is shocked. Happened in 2005. How much have things changed?

 

[Major Major]

Sure, there are lots of differences. There is one thing in common though: Yet again someone in Toronto has been killed by someone who is black...

Un Fucking believable...and there you have it people. Proof that some people (people like fuji) just cant get over this "black thing". Either that or Fuji has got to be the dumbest mooyack on TERB thus far.

Now it has come to light that all this is all because of the daughter yet somehow this still becomes a "black thing"???

Dude... someone was ultimately killed by someone who was asian...yes... 2 blacks and a white were used as tools and are guilty themselves...but this all gets back to one asian girl...get over it

I think if there were fewer violent black gangs in Toronto this asian chick's parent would probably still be alive. First the influence of her black boyfriend probably led to her thinking murder is an acceptable answer. Second she had access to people willing to do these sorts of things.

I suspect it is, once again, at some level, the influence of that culture on crime in Toronto.

LMAO .... Huh???? What does the amount of black gangs have to do with this? You just tried to wash this girl of all responsibility of killing her parents. Huh??? Good god Fuji LMAO. SHE killed her parents and used a few shitty hired guns (one of whom is white if I may add) as tools. If it wasnt theses guys it will be some other guys...Asian hitmen (no shortage of those), Itallians, Irish, Russians...just about ANY low life would do.

 

[Major Major]

Just more numerous.

You don't know that

 

[GotGusto]

Sure, there are lots of differences. There is one thing in common though: Yet again someone in Toronto has been killed by someone who is black...

I think if there were fewer violent black gangs in Toronto this asian chick's parent would probably still be alive. First the influence of her black boyfriend probably led to her thinking murder is an acceptable answer. Second she had access to people willing to do these sorts of things.

I suspect it is, once again, at some level, the influence of that culture on crime in Toronto.



No-one's saying that.



You don't know that.



Just more numerous.

Stop being a clown.

You wanted me to take a bet and I agreed to do it. Put your money where your mouth is.

The odds of winning is at least 50/50, and by the what you're posting it's actually above 90% in your favor.

 

[Sniper Jr.]

Some people pointed out that the suspects in this case were black, as is the case with most murders/shootings in Toronto (just look at the rash of shootings over the weekend). So it turns out that rather than being a completely random crime, it may have been organized by the daughter, and two of the alleged hitmen are black. Not sure why this means that anyone who pointed out that the suspects were black should have to eat their words.

Perhaps we should all just resort to the classic Canadian response to crime and blame it on "immigrants", since that seems to be a rallying cry that everyone can get behind.

 

[GotGusto]

LMAO .... Huh???? What does the amount of black gangs have to do with this? You just tried to wash this girl of all responsibility of killing her parents. Huh??? Good god Fuji LMAO. SHE killed her parents and used a few shitty hired guns (one of whom is white if I may add) as tools. If it wasnt theses guys it will be some other guys...Asian hitmen (no shortage of those), Itallians, Irish, Russians...just about ANY low life would do.

fuji is suffering from the "little innocent middle-class Asian girl is incapable of pure evil" syndrome, so she was coaxed into a murder plot by some low lives she was having sexual relations with.

It's possible but let's allow the facts bear out the truth of what happened.

 

[sodomizer]

james t kirk: how can you say " Shame on you all " , when 2 out of the 3 remaining suspects who administered the shootings are described as being black. I think the black community is quite often in denial.... I think you're also in denial.