Is Racism and Conservatism Hard Wired?
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Not at all. The requirement to set targets to increase the number of people hired and promoted was in the legislation.
Huh?
In no way do I accept the idea that quotas are sometimes necessary. I think the entire piece of legislation was awful. Regardless of its intent, the legislation would have created the impression that some people who were hired and promoted were simply "token" employees.
If it had remained in place, the legislation would have created more racial divisions in Ontario than had previously existed.
The Employment Equity Act was a perfect example of a simple truth: good intentions don't necessarily lead to good public policy. Something Dalton McGuinty might want to have considered before he brought in his Green Energy Act.
Sure it was. But your claim was that the legislated number was too high.. where's your *proof* of too high? I think your notion that it was too high amounts to unsubstantiated and biased opinion.
Sure. You are making the argument that the quota was set to too high a value. That logically implies that there is a correct value for the quota. Unless you want to retract what you said....
Only in YOUR bigoted view. In reality many people got jobs that they were fully qualified for, but would have been passed over for because of their race.
As a hiring manager I can tell you that hiring decisions are never black and white. It pretty much always comes down to a feeling. You eliminate early all the people who are fully unqualified for the job, and you're left with a slate of people all of whom could do the job adequately and you have to pick just one of them. You pick the one you are most "comfortable" with. What's that mean? Odds are it means you pick the person who shares your cultural values. That leads, easily, to racism. Imposing quotas forces you to pick the person---out of the qualified candidates, usually---who does *not* share your cultural values. Who has different values.
Guess what? In the end that builds a stronger work force. I value working in an organization where my ideas are challenged. They are most often challenged by people who bring a completely different perspective---but without employment equity laws many of those different perspectives would be shut out.
Like I said before... in the 1980's and 1990's Ontario was a very racist and insular province. Most workplaces were *not* reflective of the fabric of Ontario's ethnic demographics. Now it's different--I do believe that at this point we have achieved something at least reasonably close to racial parity, and for that I thank the employment laws of the 1980's and 1990's that mandated it. It would never have happened otherwise, and it's wonderful.
Fuji:
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my earlier posts, but you have misunderstood my response to Other Wanderer. I was trying to explain to him that the legislation went further than he believed, rather than making a point about the quotas being "too high."
As for me being a bigot, here's what I remember about the response to Rae's legislation: Most visible minorities I spoke with, regardless of their political views, strongly disagreed with the legislation. In fact, they found it deeply offensive.
Why? Simple: Most people don't like the idea of being hired or promoted because of their skin colour, or ethnicity, or their gender. Most people want to be hired or promoted because the employer believes he or she is the best candidate for the job.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my earlier posts, but you have misunderstood my response to Other Wanderer. I was trying to explain to him that the legislation went further than he believed, rather than making a point about the quotas being "too high."
As for me being a bigot, here's what I remember about the response to Rae's legislation: Most visible minorities I spoke with, regardless of their political views, strongly disagreed with the legislation. In fact, they found it deeply offensive.
Why? Simple: Most people don't like the idea of being hired or promoted because of their skin colour, or ethnicity, or their gender. Most people want to be hired or promoted because the employer believes he or she is the best candidate for the job.
Moviefan,
Whites generally have an easier time getting a job compared to minorities. It is a fact in the north, i meant the great white north..........
Whites generally have an easier time getting a job compared to minorities. It is a fact in the north, i meant the great white north..........
The OP shows a bigotry and prejudice however since many other bigots believe he is right it is seen as a question. Rather then a rant
Maybe, maybe not
But unless one is seeking a correlation one would not find one
Japan too. Try dating a Japanese girl and then see how her father feels about that.
Let me know how it works out for you.
Its a little bit understandable I think, most parents just want to keep their family bloodline within their own nationality
http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/26/news/economy/applicant_names/index.htm
studies in the U.S.A Britain and Australia show non-white names are being descriminated against a latest case in britian weeks ago a north african man applied for a job and get rejected a few days later he applied for the same job using an English name and the same man who rejected him asked for a job interview
A GROUND handling agent has sparked a race row with Cathay Pacific after allegedly being refused a job under his Muslim name but accepted for an interview two days later using an assumed British name.
Furious Heathrow worker, Salim Zakhrouf, 38, said he applied for the passenger services officer position with the airline in January, and was sent an email saying that he had not been selected for an interview due to the job attracting over 700 applications and a very high standard of entrants.
However, when he sent in the exact same CV and covering letter accompanied with the same address, as 'Ian Woodhouse' he was successful in getting an interview for a date in February.
On both occasions the same airline office administrator had replied to his job application.
http://www.skyport-heathrow.co.uk/2011/03/muslim-airport-worker-accuses.html
male foreigners living in Japan have no problem dating and marrying Japanese women
This is not new, but doesn't have anything to do with the thread. Yes, racism exists, but are people hard wired to be that way? No.
I agree not all are like that, but many Japanese are.
Remember that Japanese pitcher in the 90's who played for the Yankees (forgot his name), it turned out he was half white (American father I believe) and there was a big stink about that in their media.
EDIT: it was Hideki Irabu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Irabu
I thought people were hardwired to group together based on similarities and to protect themselves from the unknown. For most of human history, "strange" meant "dangerous". Accepting someone very different from the norm in a given society is contrary to sociological and evolutionary development.
Tolerance of difference has not been the norm for that many societies for that much time.
Even if that's true, that doesn't mean the Employment Equity Act was a good idea.
Certainly, most of Ontario's diverse population wasn't impressed, as Mr. Rae found out in 1995 when his majority government sought re-election and was reduced to a third party. Indeed, the NDP in the post-Rae years has struggled to hold on to official party status at Queen's Park.
I stand by what I said in post #47: Good intentions don't necessarily lead to good public policy. No matter how well-intentioned it may have been, the Employment Equity Act was a terrible piece of legislation that was divisive and was creating more racial tensions in Ontario, rather than reducing them.
The good new is that in modern history, many have learned that being different can be a good thing, so this 'you're different and therefore dangerous' has gone by the wayside to a degree.
It not hardwired, as in your born with it, it's learned. I don't believe there is a racist gene or combination of same.
