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Why does that matter.
It matters quite a bit. Israel has a right to defend itself against rocket and mortar attacks, whereas targeting civilians intentionally is a war crime.

Do you feel if a terrorist moved into the house next to you, the US would have the right to attack them and the death of you and your family would then be acceptable?
I live in a jurisdiction where agents could come in and arrest a terrorist living next door to me without using all that much force.

Do you think Israeli agents could show up in Gaza, flash their ID, and simply apprehend the bad guys without getting shot?

It seems taking out a terrorist in Gaza requires blunter force.
 

fuji

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1. Israel is continuing to kill children who get too near the 'exclusion' barrier
Perhaps they should stay away from the exclusion zone. Even better, perhaps Hamas should stop dressing people up as farmers so that they can abduct Israeli soldiers and trade them for 1000 prisoners. It makes it hard for the Israeli soldiers to tell who is just a farmer, and who is a terrorist dressed up as a farmer.

The rest of your idiotic gobbledygook is just flat out wrong. Enforcing a border zone is NOT the same thing as firing rockets at a school bus. You just don't want to admit it, because then you would be forced to admit that your precious little Hamas are in fact bloodthirsty terrorists.
 

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Seemingly not mentioned in this is that the one thousand are all convicted prisoners who have gone through a legitimate legal process, while Gilad Shalit was abducted.
 

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Why does that matter. Do you feel if a terrorist moved into the house next to you, the US would have the right to attack them and the death of you and your family would then be acceptable?
If that terrorist was in the act of firing rockets at my neighbours and the police did nothing about it (or more precisely, the police were firing rockets)....
 

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Or you could say they marked them to market....

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Or that the Israelis place a high value on their people, even willing to make deals with the devil to get bodies back.

Hamas (etc.) seem to have the opposite opinion that it's okay for their people to blow themselves up as long as Jews are killed.
 

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Seemingly not mentioned in this is that the one thousand are all convicted prisoners who have gone through a legitimate legal process, while Gilad Shalit was abducted.
Why let the fact that many were convicted of terrorist murders of civilians get in the way.


Hamas clearly seems to be happy with the effect that the 'resistance' has on the Jews. Don't think it's likely that this will help convince them to get to the negotiation table (like some Western media sources feel).
 

fuji

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Seemingly not mentioned in this is that the one thousand are all convicted prisoners who have gone through a legitimate legal process, while Gilad Shalit was abducted.
He was a soldier on patrol and in uniform, taking him prisoner was pretty legitimate in terms of military action. As prisoners of war are not considered to have committed any offense having no legal process is actually appropriate.

What was not legal was holding him without access to the Red Cross. Since it appears that he wasn't treated too terribly (details may yet emerge) of all the terrorist things Hamas has done this one actually approaches legitimacy.

The lack of Red Cross access is criminal, but hardly a crime on the scale of firing an anti-tank rocket at a school bus.
 

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It matters quite a bit. Israel has a right to defend itself against rocket and mortar attacks, whereas targeting civilians intentionally is a war crime.



I live in a jurisdiction where agents could come in and arrest a terrorist living next door to me without using all that much force.

Do you think Israeli agents could show up in Gaza, flash their ID, and simply apprehend the bad guys without getting shot?

It seems taking out a terrorist in Gaza requires blunter force.


So basically your answer is NO...lets face it, your hypocrisy and racism shows CLEAR AND LOUD!!!! You don't give a rats about Pali kids being killed by Israeli bombs.. NADA!!
You claim Israel is ruled by law, yet it completely ignores many international laws when building settlements amongst other things....
 

nottyboi

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If that terrorist was in the act of firing rockets at my neighbours and the police did nothing about it (or more precisely, the police were firing rockets)....
Ok so to be clear...if you lived next door to such people with your children, you say it would be OK to blow them, your children AND you to smithereens? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? (just wanted to confirm since your response is somewhat slippery)
 

groggy

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Perhaps they should stay away from the exclusion zone. Even better, perhaps Hamas should stop dressing people up as farmers so that they can abduct Israeli soldiers and trade them for 1000 prisoners. It makes it hard for the Israeli soldiers to tell who is just a farmer, and who is a terrorist dressed up as a farmer.

The rest of your idiotic gobbledygook is just flat out wrong. Enforcing a border zone is NOT the same thing as firing rockets at a school bus. You just don't want to admit it, because then you would be forced to admit that your precious little Hamas are in fact bloodthirsty terrorists.

Trying to change the subject again.
Your repulsive moral standards give license to killing children on both sides, yet you absolve one of any guilt.
If you think its ok for Israeli soldiers to shoot children when they get too near the fence under the justification that they could have appeared to be Hamas, then you have to accept that if Hamas could have believed that the bus they shot at could have been full of soldiers and are equally not guilty of war crimes.


Personally, I'll go with the UN and Amnesty accuse both sides of crimes.
 

nottyboi

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Perhaps they should stay away from the exclusion zone. Even better, perhaps Hamas should stop dressing people up as farmers so that they can abduct Israeli soldiers and trade them for 1000 prisoners. It makes it hard for the Israeli soldiers to tell who is just a farmer, and who is a terrorist dressed up as a farmer.

The rest of your idiotic gobbledygook is just flat out wrong. Enforcing a border zone is NOT the same thing as firing rockets at a school bus. You just don't want to admit it, because then you would be forced to admit that your precious little Hamas are in fact bloodthirsty terrorists.

Perhaps you don't get it Fuji, but the Israeli settlers are in a Palestinian "exclusion zone"
 

fuji

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Perhaps you don't get it Fuji, but the Israeli settlers are in a Palestinian "exclusion zone"
Which nation in that region doesn't shoot people who approach its border zone? Try walking up to the Lebanese border someday. They will give you a third eye. You guys are, once again, criticizing Israel for stuff all those nations do.
 

groggy

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Which nation in that region doesn't shoot people who approach its border zone? Try walking up to the Lebanese border someday. They will give you a third eye. You guys are, once again, criticizing Israel for stuff all those nations do.
Better show us some stats that show other countries shoot farmers and kids that get within 1.5km of their border.
And don't use the UN demarked Lebanon border as an example, since Israel is regularly violating that border with flyovers. (though I expect that even if you did you'd find less casualties on there then in Gaza).
 

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Hamas is the effective government of Gaza. Radical Jewish settlers are a fringe group. Of course a government should be held to a higher standard.
The settlers are represented in government and recieve the tacit covert approval of netan yahoo
 

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Ok so to be clear...if you lived next door to such people with your children, you say it would be OK to blow them, your children AND you to smithereens? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? (just wanted to confirm since your response is somewhat slippery)
I wouldn't live next door to them. I would either make sure that the authorities kept them honest or I would move. I would do the same thing if a crack house moved in next door or any other illegal enterprise that threatened my family.

I sure as hell wouldn't stand and cheer the terrorists launching rockets from my backyard.
 

basketcase

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The settlers are represented in government and recieve the tacit covert approval of netan yahoo
yes there are pro-settler parties in the Israeli system but they have far from a majority. They have some influence on the government because of Israel's parliamentary structure. On the other hand, Hamas is in full control of Gaza.

Yes Netanyahoo is a dolt but Hamas et. al. just strengthen his position by refusing to accept peace.
 

nottyboi

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I wouldn't live next door to them. I would either make sure that the authorities kept them honest or I would move. I would do the same thing if a crack house moved in next door or any other illegal enterprise that threatened my family.

I sure as hell wouldn't stand and cheer the terrorists launching rockets from my backyard.
Hah!! Such a weasel ... you talk as though these people can just move to another location... what if your only other choice was homelessness for you and your family?
 
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