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Is the US still No.1?

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China is a paper tiger that is light years behind the U.S. despite having 3-4 x the population.

BTW get the hell out of Tibet and leave both them and your own people (The Chinese) alone. Long overdue.
Tibet was part of China for centuries before 1949

the Old ROC constitution list Tibet has part of china

stop reading CIA funded propaganda. The Dalai Lama signed the 17 point agreement for the liberation of Tibet with the central government, he was elected vice chairman of the standing committee in the NPC, before he decided to jump on the free tibet bandwagon with the help of the CIA
 

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By your reasoning America should still be part of Britain.

Stop reading all that Jeffersonian propaganda.
 

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By your reasoning America should still be part of Britain.

Stop reading all that Jeffersonian propaganda.
the american revolution is not the same is the CIA supported free tibet cause and Tibet was Part of China before Europe Colonize the Americas
 

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No, it's a criteria..... I asked the question, have had no responses.....

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As with many things danmand has no response. The answer remains yes under so many logical criteria other than fish oil productin.
 

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America is number 1 in

-Incarcerations per capita
-defense spending
-Invading other countries
-Killing people

and yes

-olympic gold medals
 

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America is number 1 in

-Incarcerations per capita
-defense spending
-Invading other countries
-Killing people

and yes

-olympic gold medals
and accuse Chinese athletes of cheating when they break the same records as their white athletes
 

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Economically, China.
Health, freedom and happiness a few of the EU countries.
I don't think many countries are #1, I'm certain many countries are each #1 is some single (or a few) metrics....

I don't see China as #1 economically, not even close - some day perhaps but you should look at real GDP or per capita GDP.... in no metric are they #1

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America is number 1 in

-Incarcerations per capita
-defense spending
-Invading other countries
-Killing people

and yes

-olympic gold medals
I wouldn't forget size of economy, innovation, quality of universities..... how do we rank on Nobel prizes?

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Well said OTB...Don't forget with Mr. Arnmstrong's passing today the only country to go to the moon and back as well.

43 years later no country is even close. But even if they were why bother? It's been done.
We could do a ranking of the countries by number of rovers on Mars... that work - that shouldn't take too long....

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You know what is weird about this thread. At least I think it is weird, maybe because I live in Canada.

Outside of the knee jerk anti-Americanism of a few Canadians, which is entirely expected (if you live long enough in Canada, you know what I mean), there is also some China bashing from the Americans.

This is interesting, because if you Americans get to know the real Chinese in China, you will realize there is not much American bashing, certainly not at the level the Americans direct towards China. Not even the level of ingrained Canadian anti-Americanism.

The rise of China has left you Americans feeling very insecure.

Some European claimed that China was a world superpower for 18 of last 20 centuries. I don't remember coming across a claim like that in any Chinese texts, or articles, in English or Chinese. And yet, I think that is true.

The sun set on the English Empire. The Mongols are still nomadic, a good portion of their population. Even the U.S.S.R. is gone. Empires come and go.

How long will American power superpower status last, and their network of global bases? (which they need loans to keep supporting).

:Eek:
 

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How long will American power superpower status last, and their network of global bases? (which they need loans to keep supporting).
The EU imploded, the American Empire will last another 20-30 years and let's hope the barbarians don't take over. By sheer population, China and India will rant as equals with the U.S.
 

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I don't think many countries are #1, I'm certain many countries are each #1 is some single (or a few) metrics....

I don't see China as #1 economically, not even close - some day perhaps but you should look at real GDP or per capita GDP.... in no metric are they #1

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LOL!!!
That's because your 'metrics' employ fuzzy numbers!....:eyebrows:
 

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The EU imploded, the American Empire will last another 20-30 years and let's hope the barbarians don't take over. By sheer population, China and India will rant as equals with the U.S.
The US is fading faster then that. They can't control their deficit or the size of the army or raise taxes so how long can they continue as they are going now?
 

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The US is fading faster then that. They can't control their deficit or the size of the army or raise taxes so how long can they continue as they are going now?
It will be a sad sad day when the U.S. fades into history. Under the protection of the U.S. 7th Fleet the Pacific Rim countries (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Philippines, etc.) grew and prosper.
 

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the american revolution is not the same is the CIA supported free tibet cause and Tibet was Part of China before Europe Colonize the Americas
Doesn't matter if Tibet was or wasn't apart of China in centuries past, they weren't when comminist China invaded.

Tibet isn't Tibet's because some conquering murder stole it way back when, Tibet belongs to Tibetans who did not join China volunteerly.

China should let Tibet have a referenumdum to decide thier own fate, although so many Chinese have moved in that Tibetans are basically fucked.

I agree with the spirit of the free Tibet, but realistically thier fucked.

More realistic is some sort of comprise, more rights for Tibetans and some level of automy.

Anyway this whole discussion reminds of Bill Mars New New Rules which I was just reading, one of his essays says something along the same lines.

Look this isn't about whose the number one country, because the idea is both subjective, unmeasurable, Negative Patriotsism, rudeness and arrogance. Now saying in Literacy America is 7th for example that's more objective. No the problem is is that they are so far down the list on so many criteria, education, science, happiness, economic proformance, Quality of Life, Heathcare, Infant mortality and countless other catogories. America is number one in wealth (sadly is is ruined by the fact that they also have by far the richest 1%ers and Cash Hoarding Corporations so this benifits average Americans not at all, the opposite in fact), and the Military Power. Both have come at the cost,in everything else.

Truth is America needs to get its priorities straight, taxes on the well off need to go up, Tax havens need to be punished, the Military needs to be heavily cut and money invested in productive measures.

America is still the richest country in the world, but to look at what happening to ordinary Americans you'd think it was bordering on third world.

Fuck being number one, I'd settle for better off then right now.
 

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OP-ED COLUMNIST

I Made the Robot Do It

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: August 25, 2012

Boston

WHEN you hear the insane notion of “legitimate rape” being aired by a Republican congressman — a member of the House science committee no less — it makes you wonder some days how we became the world’s richest, most powerful country, and, more important, how we’re going to stay there. The short answer is that, thank God, there’s still a bunch of people across America — innovators and entrepreneurs — who just didn’t get the word. They didn’t get the word that Germany will eat our breakfast or that China will eat our lunch. They didn’t get the word that we’re in a recession and heading for a fiscal cliff. They’re not interested in politics at all. Instead, they just go out and invent stuff and fix stuff and collaborate on stuff. They are our saving grace, and whenever I need a pick-me-up, I drop in on one of them.

I did just that last week, visiting the design workshop of Rethink Robotics, near Boston’s airport, where I did something I’ve never done before: I programmed a robot to perform the simple task of moving widgets from one place to another. Yup, I trained the robot’s arms using a very friendly screen interface and memory built into its mechanical limbs.

And therein lie the seeds of a potential revolution. Rethink’s goal is simple: that its cheap, easy-to-use, safe robot will be to industrial robots what the personal computer was to the mainframe computer, or the iPhone was to the traditional phone. That is, it will bring robots to the small business and even home and enable people to write apps for them the way they do with PCs and iPhones — to make your robot conduct an orchestra, clean the house or, most important, do multiple tasks for small manufacturers, who could not afford big traditional robots, thus speeding innovation and enabling more manufacturing in America.

“If you see pictures of robots welding or painting” in a factory, “you will not see humans nearby because it is not safe” being around swinging robot arms, explains Rethink’s founder, Rodney Brooks, the Australian-born former director of the M.I.T. Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory and the co-founder of iRobot, which invented the Roomba vacuum-cleaning robot. Traditional industrial robots are fixed and not flexible, and they take a long time — and a skilled engineer — to program them to do one repeatable task.

“Our robot is low-cost, easily programmable, not fixed and not dangerous,” says Brooks. “We were in a small plastics company the other day, and the owner said he is using the robot for two hours to do one task and then rolling it over to do another. With our robots, you teach them about the specific task you want done, and when you are done with that, you program another one.” And if your hand gets in the way, the robot just stops.

The Rethink design team includes Bruce Blumberg, the product manager of the Apple LaserWriter — as well as 75 other experts from Russia, Georgia, Venezuela, Egypt, Australia, India, Israel, Portugal, Britain, Sri Lanka, the United States and China. “It is all made in America,” says Brooks, but by “the best talent” gathered “from around the world.”

This is the company of the future. Forget about “outsourcing.” In today’s hyperconnected world, there is no “in” and no “out.” There’s only “good, better and best,” and if you don’t assemble the best team you can from everywhere, your competitor will.

The Rethink robot will be unveiled in weeks. I was just given a sneak peek — on the condition that I did not mention its “disruptive” price point and some other unique features.

“Just as the PC did not replace workers but empowered them to do many new things,” argues Brooks, the same will happen with the Rethink robot. “Companies will become even more competitive, and we will be able to keep more jobs here. ... The minute you say ‘robots’ people say: ‘It’s going to take away jobs. But that is not true. It doesn’t take away jobs. It will change how you do them,” the way the PC did not get rid of secretaries but changed what they did.

Actually, the robots will eliminate jobs, just as the PC did, but they be will lower-skilled ones. And the robots will also create new jobs or enlarge existing ones, but they will be jobs that require more skills. I watched a Rethink robot being tested at the Nypro plastics factory in Clinton, Mass. A single worker was operating a big molding machine that occasionally spewed out too many widgets, which forced the system to overload. The robot was brought in to handle overflow, while the same single worker still operated the machine. “We want the robot to be the extension of the worker, not the replacement of the worker,” said Michael McGee, Nypro’s director of technology.

This is the march of progress. It eliminates bad jobs, empowers good jobs, but always demands more skill and creativity and always enables fewer people to do more things. We went through the same megashift when our agricultural economy was replaced by the industrial economy in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Therefore, what this election should be about is how we spawn thousands of Rethinks that create new industries, new jobs and productivity tools. Alas, it isn’t. So I’m just grateful these folks here in Boston didn’t get the word.
 

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Doesn't matter if Tibet was or wasn't apart of China in centuries past, they weren't when comminist China invaded.
How do you figure that? Every Dalai Lama, including the present one, and his predecessor, has been appointed to the job by a Chinese government. It is a title created by a Chinese emperor, bestowed by a Chinese emperor, and requested by the Tibetans from the Chinese emperor. In more recent times the present Dalai Lama has recognized that the government of PR China has taken over that responsibility. Recognized. Just as his predecessor, and every Dalai Lama before that, always has recognized the supremacy of Chinese rule. You might also be interested to know that until fairly recently, the Republic of China in Taiwan maintained vacant seats in its legislature for representatives from Tibet. Viewing itself as the rightful government of China, Taiwan of course claimed Tibet for itself as well.

By the way, do you think that the Tibetans would have continued on with slavery, had the communists not put a stop to it? Although the present Dalai Lama has built up a reputation as being a very human rights oriented guy, Tibetan culture certainly was not one that embraced fairness or equality or freedom historically, and certainly, not at the time of the communist invasion.

What IS true is that the historic relationship between China and Tibet never mapped cleanly onto modern notions of the state. Tibet was always fairly independent, even as it always acknowledged--formally--the supremacy of the Emperor. The Tibetans would choose their candidate for Dalai Lama in their traditional way, and request that the Emperor appoint him. The Emperor always did so, and aside from the standing Chinese military garrison that was always stationed in Lhasa, basically left them alone to do as they pleased. It's not so much that the communists invaded or declared Tibet to be part of China--it had always been such--what they did differently was impose their own notions of how a society should be run on Tibet, and no Emperor ever did that.

Another question: Do you also think that the communists "invaded" Beijing, Shanghai, and Nanjing? Certainly they sent an army in to take control of it, either taking those places by force from the Nationalists, or moving in after the Nationalists withdrew, as they did in Tibet.

Everyone can agree on those facts, and still disagree as to whether that means Tibet was or wasn't "part of" China. Clearly, Tibet recognized the supremacy of the Chinese Emperor, accepted the Emperor's formal authority to appoint their leader, and accepted Chinese troops in their capital--but beyond that the Emperor never really exercised any practical regulation or control over Tibetan life, instead, delegating that power too the Tibetan's nominee by declaring him to be the Dalai Lama every time requested to do so.

In short, it's just not as simple as most people make it out to be.

The strategic reality back then, back in the earliest days of Chinese rule over Tibet, was the same as it is now. If anyone ever wanted to attack China, they either have to come by sea, over the mountains, or through a desert. China's view has always been that if it can maintain control over those mountains (Tibet), that sea (Taiwan), and that desert (Xinjiang, Mongolia) that the Chinese homeland will be secure from even a remote threat of a foreign invasion. It is not surprising that those areas are always the ones that China is fighting to control. The Chinese view control over those peripheral areas as the equivalent of a big modern great wall--the Himalayas stop a tank column just as effectively as the original wall would have stopped a cavalry charge. Currently they control the mountains and the desert, but not the sea. They are pretty pissed that Taiwan sits just off their coast, like a giant unsinkable aircraft carrier, and like Tibet, they will probably never give up on trying to return it to their sphere of influence. They view control of Taiwan, like Tibet, as fundamental to the security of their homeland.

Whatever happens to Tibet, it's a pretty clear political reality that no ruler of China is ever going to accept a solution in which Tibet could one day be occupied by a foreign military (e.g., India's, Britain's, or perhaps America's) which could subsequently use it as a staging ground for an invasion of the Chinese heartland. On the other hand, the historic solution to that problem gave the Tibetans a heck of a lot of autonomy, that they are not getting under the present formula.
 

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I don't think many countries are #1, I'm certain many countries are each #1 is some single (or a few) metrics....
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I couldn't agree more.
Or less.
I'm not sure.
Does it make the concept of No.1 nation more meaningless?
Or less?
 

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Outside of the knee jerk anti-Americanism of a few Canadians, which is entirely expected (if you live long enough in Canada, you know what I mean), there is also some China bashing from the Americans.

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Can you explain this to those of us who don't live in Canada?

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