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Blue Jays, 2013 edition

shack

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And a word about Rasmus... as an example of management ability and talent evaluation!

Maybe LaRussa was right after all...

This 5 tool star has had 691 at bats since becoming a Blue Jay... 169 hits (.244), 228 strike outs (.330), 4 stolen bases (3 caught stealing), 30 home runs, 59 bases on balls.

This is a star?

Perry
The only respectable stat is homers. It averages in the low 20's for a season.

Other than that, I'd bring up Gose. Better CF, better arm, blazing fast on the bases and at his age is still improving.

They also have a 2B in Buffalo, Jim Negrych who's hitting way over .400 with an OPS over 1.100. Fielding at .984, 1 error in 16 games.

He can't do any worse than our "platoon" unless it would hurt AA's pride that he'd be admitting those 2 choices for second base both failed.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And let's face it: Yogi was right when he said "90% of this game is half mental."

And though the coaching staff in any sport cannot be held accountable for what their players actually do (they are not on the field or rink or court) they are accountable for what is happening inside their heads, for the mental approach, because that is the reason they are hired and exist!

Don't underestimate the influence of the coaches. Their function is to bring out the best and motivate the players they coach... many of whom, especially in baseball, are still immature one trick ponies.

What I find surprising about the Jays after nearly 30 games, is that, with the exception of Janssen and Cecil (of all people!), not a single player seems to be performing at or above their talent level... all of them are under-performing.

So, if it not the coaching, then it must be management!!!???

Perry
Well said!!

Does anyone remember the 1989 Blue Jays?? They got off to a terrible start under Jimmy Williams, even though the talent was there. Jimmy gets fired, Cito Gaston becomes interim coach (when even he himself admitted he might not be the right man for the job due to lack of experience).

Somehow the players react well to Cito and get motivated. Their season improves right away and Jays go on to win 4 division titles and 2 world series.

Like Perry said, a huge part the game is mental
 

mandrill

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The only respectable stat is homers. It averages in the low 20's for a season.

Other than that, I'd bring up Gose. Better CF, better arm, blazing fast on the bases and at his age is still improving.

They also have a 2B in Buffalo, Jim Negrych who's hitting way over .400 with an OPS over 1.100. Fielding at .984, 1 error in 16 games.

He can't do any worse than our "platoon" unless it would hurt AA's pride that he'd be admitting those 2 choices for second base both failed.
Negrych was discussed on The Fan last week. Apparently, he is a career minor leaguer and is playing above his usual level. Not exactly the sort of guy who is going to impact.
 

saxon

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Never should have taken Johnson in the Marlins deal. Has a history of injuries as he missed significant time during the 2007, 08 and 2011 seasons
Back on the DL again. Rule number 1, never pick up a pitcher with a history of arm problems.
 

saxon

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2! 10th two-HR game of his career.

tied for 1st in the AL

(Glad to see him heat up :))
Good thing somebody is hitting. BTW it's nice to see you are a jays fan Jennifer, I will have to come and see you sometime.
 

shack

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Negrych was discussed on The Fan last week. Apparently, he is a career minor leaguer and is playing above his usual level. Not exactly the sort of guy who is going to impact.
Nobody said it had to be long term but at least stop the bleeding. As I said he can't do any worse than tweedledy and tweedledum out there. No offense and even worse defence.
 

saxon

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They need to do something to shake things up a bit. They can't afford to fall further behind the Sox, Yanks and Rays.
 

Perry Mason

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Negrych was discussed on The Fan last week. Apparently, he is a career minor leaguer and is playing above his usual level. Not exactly the sort of guy who is going to impact.
Au contraire! A Minor leaguer having a career year may be just the man to have up in the Majors while the hot streak lasts!

And who knows? May be he has been a sleeper that has just found his stroke?

What is there to lose? He can't possibly be worse than what is there now! As they say, nothing from nothing is nothing!

Perry
 

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On the slopes of Mount Parnassus, Greece

gcostanza

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Ricky Romero to start Friday night for the Blue Jays. Toronto, not Dunedin.
 

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And let's face it: Yogi was right when he said "90% of this game is half mental."

And though the coaching staff in any sport cannot be held accountable for what their players actually do (they are not on the field or rink or court) they are accountable for what is happening inside their heads, for the mental approach, because that is the reason they are hired and exist!

Don't underestimate the influence of the coaches. Their function is to bring out the best and motivate the players they coach... many of whom, especially in baseball, are still immature one trick ponies.

What I find surprising about the Jays after nearly 30 games, is that, with the exception of Janssen and Cecil (of all people!), not a single player seems to be performing at or above their talent level***... all of them are under-performing.

So, if it not the coaching, then it must be management!!!???

*** Correction: Rajai Davis, too!

Perry
Okay smart guy, if this is the case (which I don't buy anyway) how the hell do you know what gibbons is saying to them or not saying to them to get them in "the right mental state to win"?. How much time have you spent in team meetings? practices? or locker room?

I'm guessing zero but because these over priced altheletes are are playing bad, it must be because gibbons isn't saying the right things.
 

gcostanza

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.... Rule number 1, never pick up a pitcher with a history of arm problems.
That would eliminate about 80% of major league pitchers.
 

saxon

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That would eliminate about 80% of major league pitchers.
This guy has a long history of arm troubles and he's hurt again. I believe he is a free agent at the end of this season if that's the case the jays should let him walk or deal him at the trade deadline.
 

Perry Mason

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...how the hell do you know what gibbons is saying to them or not saying to them to get them in "the right mental state to win"?
Ye shall know them by the results they achieve.

This is not a team of also-rans but of, supposedly, very gifted athletes and all but 3 of them are way under achieving!

Is there any other reasonable test?

There is an expression in horse racing that applies. No matter how good your horse is, if you don't have the right jockey you ain't gonna win much.

Perry
 

Perry Mason

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How much time have you spent in team meetings? practices? or locker room?
You might be surprised by my answer... not with the BJ's, of course, but with enough other teams to know something about these dynamics.

When I was coaching 12-14 year old hockey, in particular, I even shocked myself by the effects what I said had on both individual and team performance.

Of course, if you have never coached -- which is what I suspect is true about you -- you'd have no clue what I am talking about.

I'm guessing zero...
Wrong again!

Perry
 

black booty lover

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You might be surprised by my answer... not with the BJ's, of course, but with enough other teams to know something about these dynamics.

When I was coaching 12-14 year old hockey, in particular, I even shocked myself by the effects what I said had on both individual and team performance.

Of course, if you have never coached -- which is what I suspect is true about you -- you'd have no clue what I am talking about.


Wrong again!

Perry

My question was "how much time have you spent in team meeting, practices, ect...with THIS team" not the 12 year old boys team you coached.

2ndly, yes I have coached baseball.Wrong again!
 
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