Teachers Taking "Sick Days" - Anyone want to defend this one?

[Toke]

Of course I am involved, it is my child. There are assignments done on their time and assignments which are done only in class. As much as I would love to know everything, it is impossible unless of course I went to school with her which would just be creepy....lol

So she did a 'major assignment' (your words) in-class? Possible, but doubtful.

 

[Toke]

What does that have to do with the lack of professionalism of teachers. The lack of proper education and the fraudulent use of sick days? Is it somehow her fault now that she is not stalking the teachers daily to ensure that her child is doing history projects on a more prolific person????? Is that really our job now as parents?

And when that does not work because you get nothing but arrogant elitist attitude from the teacher, your suggestion is????

Anybody care to respond to this?

 

[4everkasey]

Correct. Why doubtful? I do not control (nor does any other parent) what is taught and how it is taught on a daily basis in the classroom.

So she did a 'major assignment' (your words) in-class. Possible, but doubtful.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

Anybody care to respond to this?

Read the whole thing and answer all the questions. I have stalked the teachers. I ask for progress reports, etc. I have questioned assignments, ISU's, I get nothing usually and if I get something, it is attitude.

I have the time to do it. I can go in the morning when I drop her off, all through the day and when I pick up after school. I can check in at anytime. Most parents who work full time, when do they have time to stalk teachers, make sure they are doing their job properly. Are you saying that parents have to do quality control now on teachers???? Give me a break......

 

[Toke]

Correct. Why doubtful? I do not know (nor do most parents) what is taught and how it is taught on a daily basis in the classroom.

I fixed it.

 

[Toke]

Read the whole thing and answer all the questions. I have stalked the teachers. I ask for progress reports, etc. I have questioned assignments, ISU's, I get nothing usually and if I get something, it is attitude.

I have the time to do it. I can go in the morning when I drop her off, all through the day and when I pick up after school. I can check in at anytime. Most parents who work full time, when do they have time to stalk teachers, make sure they are doing their job properly. Are you saying that parents have to do quality control now on teachers???? Give me a break......

They don't. Except when it comes to their compensation.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

I fixed it.

Ok, so how can we as parents control what is taught to our kids? In detail please??????

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

They don't. Except when it comes to their compensation.

You make no sense. Who's compensation?????


A blind argument seems to be all you can come up with. You are not helping teachers with your posts at all.

Enjoy the thread. I am sticking with my opinion. Unprofessional, low class fraudsters.

 

[Toke]

Ok, so how can we as parents control what is taught to our kids? In detail please??????

If you think that teachers magically pull curriculum out of the blue, then you give them too much credit. Most of what is taught is mandated by the Province.

 

[Toke]

You make no sense. Who's compensation?????


A blind argument seems to be all you can come up with. You are not helping teachers with your posts at all.

Enjoy the thread. I am sticking with my opinion. Unprofessional, low class fraudsters.

So the argument from an emotionally attached parent is not blind?

What compensation? Compensation refers to any payment (monies or otherwise) exchanged for goods and/or services. In this case, what the Province pays teachers. What I was responding to is the fact that you feel that you shouldn't have to 'quality control' teachers but you have done just that by questioning their sick days.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

So the argument from an emotionally attached parent is not blind?

What compensation? Compensation refers to any payment (monies or otherwise) exchanged for goods and/or services. In this case, what the Province pays teachers.

You say parents need to be involved, so you agree that teachers need quality control since they can not seem to remain professional. Ok

And clearly, yes - the only thing the teachers care about is their compensation. You have that one down!

And no my arguments are not blind. I have put forth examples of negative behaviour from teachers and you have yet to be able to counter any of it.

If you think that teachers magically pull curriculum out of the blue, then you give them too much credit. Most of what is taught is mandated by the Province.

There you have it folks. Justin Bieber is what history class is all about.

Thanks Teach!

 

[red]

If you think that teachers magically pull curriculum out of the blue, then you give them too much credit. Most of what is taught is mandated by the Province.

ah you think they teach. thats where you are going wrong. they just waste time and wait for the bell

 

[jjbee62]

What does that have to do with the lack of professionalism of teachers. The lack of proper education and the fraudulent use of sick days? Is it somehow her fault now that she is not stalking the teachers daily to ensure that her child is doing history projects on a more prolific person????? Is that really our job now as parents? And why are teachers giving so many ISU assignements to be done in class, instead of before when it was sent home and they actually taught something during class time????

And when that does not work because you get nothing but arrogant elitist attitude from the teacher, your suggestion is????





I have no issue with the imposed contract. I have an issue with a lot of teachers and their attitude regarding their job. That is my opinion. EOD

The problem is, and will continue to be, teaching is generally treated as a low level job. While the benefits might be good, the pay is extremely low considering all that is asked of them. Your average plumber makes significantly more. The teachers have to worry about pleasing the school board, pleasing the parents, trying to maintain order with children that are increasingly unruly and disrespectful, and trying to make sure their classes meet education requirements that have nothing to do with knowledge and have everything to do with statistics. Is it any surprise the teachers are not exactly a bucket of sunshine?

Before, school funding was always considered a sacred cow. Don't touch it, don't mess with it, leave the schools alone and let them teach. That is no longer true. Education cuts have become the norm. Also, there was a time when the schools themselves had some control over the students. Now there is no discipline of any kind that can be used in the schools without risk of an enraged parent bringing in the lawyers and crying to the tabloids. If a teacher assigns too much homework the parents complain because the teacher expects them to do the job.

Why should the teachers care? They are in a dead-end, low-paying job, that if they stick with it for twenty years will get them up to the very lowest of middle-class incomes. They get nothing but grief from everyone. Either the material is too hard, or not hard enough, or there is too much homework or not enough. Anytime a parent comes to see them, the parent is going to treat the situation, whatever the problem, as if it's the teacher's fault.

When the education system once again becomes important, and when teachers are once again seen as important, you'll get better teachers and better education.

 

[red]

What does that have to do with the lack of professionalism of teachers. The lack of proper education and the fraudulent use of sick days? Is it somehow her fault now that she is not stalking the teachers daily to ensure that her child is doing history projects on a more prolific person????? Is that really our job now as parents? And why are teachers giving so many ISU assignements to be done in class, instead of before when it was sent home and they actually taught something during class time????

And when that does not work because you get nothing but arrogant elitist attitude from the teacher, your suggestion is????





I have no issue with the imposed contract. I have an issue with a lot of teachers and their attitude regarding their job. That is my opinion. EOD

Anybody care to respond to this?

she is right- teachers are unprofessional. they do as little as possible. they care not for the kids or parents.

 

[Toke]

The problem is, and will continue to be, teaching is generally treated as a low level job. While the benefits might be good, the pay is extremely low considering all that is asked of them. Your average plumber makes significantly more. The teachers have to worry about pleasing the school board, pleasing the parents, trying to maintain order with children that are increasingly unruly and disrespectful, and trying to make sure their classes meet education requirements that have nothing to do with knowledge and have everything to do with statistics. Is it any surprise the teachers are not exactly a bucket of sunshine?

Before, school funding was always considered a sacred cow. Don't touch it, don't mess with it, leave the schools alone and let them teach. That is no longer true. Education cuts have become the norm. Also, there was a time when the schools themselves had some control over the students. Now there is no discipline of any kind that can be used in the schools without risk of an enraged parent bringing in the lawyers and crying to the tabloids. If a teacher assigns too much homework the parents complain because the teacher expects them to do the job.

Why should the teachers care? They are in a dead-end, low-paying job, that if they stick with it for twenty years will get them up to the very lowest of middle-class incomes. They get nothing but grief from everyone. Either the material is too hard, or not hard enough, or there is too much homework or not enough. Anytime a parent comes to see them, the parent is going to treat the situation, whatever the problem, as if it's the teacher's fault.

When the education system once again becomes important, and when teachers are once again seen as important, you'll get better teachers and better education.

Very well put.

 

[jjbee62]

ah you think they teach. thats where you are going wrong. they just waste time and wait for the bell

How many people in how many different professions does this apply to? From what I've seen, that statement applies to about 75% of the workforce, from street sweepers to doctors. Most put in the minimal required effort, put in their time and then go home.

The big difference, most of those people are just wasting time and waiting for the bell for a lot more money. Plus, when that teacher packs up to go home, chances are, he or she has an armload of papers to grade, and lesson plans to work on.

 

[Toke]

she is right- teachers are unprofessional. they do as little as possible. they care not for the kids or parents.

It's things like this that make me scratch my head. Taking this thread (and many others) into consideration, it does not appear that anyone cares about the teachers (who are also parents). I've dealt with parents who come in to inquire about Little Timmy and believe me, many are not reasonable.

 

[Toke]

How many people in how many different professions does this apply to? From what I've seen, that statement applies to about 75% of the workforce, from street sweepers to doctors. Most put in the minimal required effort, put in their time and then go home.

The big difference, most of those people are just wasting time and waiting for the bell for a lot more money. Plus, when that teacher packs up to go home, chances are, he or she has an armload of papers to grade, and lesson plans to work on.

Many if them are on 'work time' and surfing TERB as we speak.

 

[Ms.FemmeFatale]

The problem is, and will continue to be, teaching is generally treated as a low level job. While the benefits might be good, the pay is extremely low considering all that is asked of them. Your average plumber makes significantly more. The teachers have to worry about pleasing the school board, pleasing the parents, trying to maintain order with children that are increasingly unruly and disrespectful, and trying to make sure their classes meet education requirements that have nothing to do with knowledge and have everything to do with statistics. Is it any surprise the teachers are not exactly a bucket of sunshine?

Not here in Canada. Sorry but that is not true at all. They get paid more then they should in my opinion.

Before, school funding was always considered a sacred cow. Don't touch it, don't mess with it, leave the schools alone and let them teach. That is no longer true. Education cuts have become the norm. Also, there was a time when the schools themselves had some control over the students. Now there is no discipline of any kind that can be used in the schools without risk of an enraged parent bringing in the lawyers and crying to the tabloids. If a teacher assigns too much homework the parents complain because the teacher expects them to do the job.

Sorry but I have forked out too much money over the years to the schools for fees, books, supplies, etc. It is standard when my daughter picks her class to see what the class with cost. And losing control over students, sorry but that doesn't fly with me either. Most kids are not problem students.

Why should the teachers care? They are in a dead-end, low-paying job, that if they stick with it for twenty years will get them up to the very lowest of middle-class incomes. They get nothing but grief from everyone. Either the material is too hard, or not hard enough, or there is too much homework or not enough. Anytime a parent comes to see them, the parent is going to treat the situation, whatever the problem, as if it's the teacher's fault.

Yes, Because they are the adult and the ones responsible in the class. THAT IS APART OF THEIR JOB. RESPONSIBILITY.

When my child does wrong, I hold her accountable. I will do the same with teachers, and anyone else for that matter. That is how I live. I do not want people who do not care about what they are doing, doing it with me or my child. If my mechanic does not care about the job he is doing, I will not trust my safety in that car with him working on it. It is really that simple. Same as applies with teachers. Sadly I do not have the power to fire them though.

When the education system once again becomes important, and when teachers are once again seen as important, you'll get better teachers and better education.

I disagree. I am sorry but they need to step up or step off and give someone else the job!

This is my opinion. Neither you nor toke will change that opinion. At least I don't think. You are welcome to debate your points. At least you come up with more then Toke. You have different ideas and examples to try and support your side. We just see it differently.

Toke on the other hand is just 100% for the teachers no matter what. Without addressing anything of possible potential value.

 

[red]

What does that have to do with the lack of professionalism of teachers. The lack of proper education and the fraudulent use of sick days? Is it somehow her fault now that she is not stalking the teachers daily to ensure that her child is doing history projects on a more prolific person????? Is that really our job now as parents? And why are teachers giving so many ISU assignements to be done in class, instead of before when it was sent home and they actually taught something during class time????

And when that does not work because you get nothing but arrogant elitist attitude from the teacher, your suggestion is????





I have no issue with the imposed contract. I have an issue with a lot of teachers and their attitude regarding their job. That is my opinion. EOD

How many people in how many different professions does this apply to? From what I've seen, that statement applies to about 75% of the workforce, from street sweepers to doctors. Most put in the minimal required effort, put in their time and then go home.

The big difference, most of those people are just wasting time and waiting for the bell for a lot more money. Plus, when that teacher packs up to go home, chances are, he or she has an armload of papers to grade, and lesson plans to work on.

LOL. you are funny, oh the poor overworked teacher taking marking home after working almost five hours. boohoo