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Canadian man on vacation in Egypt killed by sniper.

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I would never go to one of these hotspots for vacation with a nine month old baby and a wife. Wtf?

Amr Kassem, vacationing in Egypt with his wife and young daughter, was shot and killed while peacefully protesting in Alexandria.

Asmaa Hussein couldn’t stop calling her husband Amr Kassem to make sure he was safe.
The Toronto resident was in the streets of the Egyptian city of Alexandria Friday, protesting the killing of hundreds during a bloody military crackdown in Cairo earlier in the week. He had just attended the funeral of a protester shot in those clashes when he joined the crowd.

Don’t worry, Kassem reassured his wife over and over. It’s a peaceful protest. He would come home soon to her and their 9-month-old daughter Ruqaya.

The wife wants the Canadian government to strongly condemn what happened.

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The wife wants the Canadian government to strongly condemn what happened.
What happened is tragic, but 'he was protesting in the streets of Alexandria Friday' and his wife wants the Canadian Government to lodge a diplomatic protest?

So what is this the new "riot anywhere" policy?
 

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I'm very sorry about our Canadian friend who died but that was a very risky move if not pure stupidity on his part. He knew full well that there's no such thing as peaceful protest in Cairo, and I'm sure the Canadian government has a travel advisory but does a vacationer really need one FFS?

He defied government forces with b**********y if not impunity, but one trigger-happy soldier followed his dictator's orders and shot him in cold blood.

Wish we can condemn all such forces and their leader as war criminals.

I feel more sorry for his wife and child.
 

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What happened is tragic, but 'he was protesting in the streets of Alexandria Friday' and his wife wants the Canadian Government to lodge a diplomatic protest?

So what is this the new "riot anywhere" policy?
I feel sorry for the little Girl, the parents are completely irresponsible. The guy was born in Canada...but who goes to Alexandria (a hot bed) for Vacation? The guy could easily pass for a member of the MB.
 

GPIDEAL

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this is what religion does to ya.
On the contrary, he's probably against fundamentalist religion. It's politics, not religion. They want freedom, no? (I know of a Coptic Christian guy who fled Egypt years ago because he had less and less religious freedom).
 

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So what is this the new "riot anywhere" policy?
There is no law in Egypt at this point. The constitution has been suspended, and the president is in jail.

But let's play along. When was the last time the US used snipers to break up an unauthorized protest?
 

GPIDEAL

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There is no law in Egypt at this point. The constitution has been suspended, and the president is in jail.

But let's play along. When was the last time the US used snipers to break up an unauthorized protest?

Kent University?
 

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I don't understand some people. Getting mixed up in other countries political and religious problems is just asking for trouble. No different if you went into a pub in Belfast and started shitting on the IRA. I figured people who leave these countries would be smart enough to leave it alone. I think this fellow was born here but to go to a country like Egypt and get involved in any political protest is just asking for it. Feel sorry for his family but not him, he should have known better.
 

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If he's Canadian, y should he be protesting in Egypt. If he wants to safely protest Morsis ouster y not demonstrate in Toronto or Ottawa or whenever the Egyptian consulate is. Who goes on vacation in a war zone. And y protest IN SUPPORT of a religious government. I thought Canadian believed in separation of church and state. When u go to participate in civil unrest on a primitive violent country, you're looking for trouble.
And the previous post was correct. This is what religious belief does to people.
 

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If he's Canadian, y should he be protesting in Egypt. If he wants to safely protest Morsis ouster y not demonstrate in Toronto or Ottawa or whenever the Egyptian consulate is. Who goes on vacation in a war zone. And y protest IN SUPPORT of a religious government. I thought Canadian believed in separation of church and state. When u go to participate in civil unrest on a primitive violent country, you're looking for trouble.
And the previous post was correct. This is what religious belief does to people.
What about belief in democracy? Like it or not (and personally, I don't) Morsi was their democratically elected leader. SO ignore the big bad scary Muslim government angle for a second and rethink what happened. A Canadian citizen with family in Egypt was protesting a military coup that deposed a democratically elected leader and has killed hundreds of its own citizens who dared to express opposition (much, but not all, of it non violent). You should be concerned, and not dismissive of the victim here. We all should be.
 

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What about belief in democracy? Like it or not (and personally, I don't) Morsi was their democratically elected leader. SO ignore the big bad scary Muslim government angle for a second and rethink what happened. A Canadian citizen with family in Egypt was protesting a military coup....
Do remember that the military stepped in after massive public protests against the MB, the same as they did with the protests against Mubarak.
 

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Do remember that the military stepped in after massive public protests against the MB, the same as they did with the protests against Mubarak.
And you point this out because? You just wanted to note that the military like stepping in? Or are you equating the removal of a de facto dictator (under Mubarak, the constitution disallowed anyone from running against him) with a military coup against an elected leader (who, incidentally, received a higher percentage of the popular vote than Stephen Harper)?
 

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What about belief in democracy? Like it or not (and personally, I don't) Morsi was their democratically elected leader. SO ignore the big bad scary Muslim government angle for a second and rethink what happened. A Canadian citizen with family in Egypt was protesting a military coup that deposed a democratically elected leader and has killed hundreds of its own citizens who dared to express opposition (much, but not all, of it non violent). You should be concerned, and not dismissive of the victim here. We all should be.
Qft.
 

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What about belief in democracy? Like it or not (and personally, I don't) Morsi was their democratically elected leader. SO ignore the big bad scary Muslim government angle for a second and rethink what happened. A Canadian citizen with family in Egypt was protesting a military coup that deposed a democratically elected leader and has killed hundreds of its own citizens who dared to express opposition (much, but not all, of it non violent). You should be concerned, and not dismissive of the victim here. We all should be.
The issue is not about Morsi, its the wisdom of a Canadian man going to a war zone in a country in turmoil with a wife and a newborn and risking his life. I definitely blame him for putting himself at risk.
 

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What about belief in democracy? Like it or not (and personally, I don't) Morsi was their democratically elected leader. SO ignore the big bad scary Muslim government angle for a second and rethink what happened. A Canadian citizen with family in Egypt was protesting a military coup that deposed a democratically elected leader and has killed hundreds of its own citizens who dared to express opposition (much, but not all, of it non violent). You should be concerned, and not dismissive of the victim here. We all should be.
its not democracy. Mobocracy more like it.

Violent protests rarely result in true democracy. Think French Revolution and Russian overthrow of Tzar, and Tiananmen square in 1996.

Democracy is a peaceful and lawful process achieved by a civilized public whose members are mostly well informed, reasonably educated, and especially NOT blindly driven by religious fundamentalism to hatreds of the disbelievers. Throwing stones, occupying public spaces, setting cars on fire are not symbols of democracy. I think people in that region all need anger management classes. Taking it to the streets shouting Ala's name, and throwing stones are not going to change a thing, only going to make your life more miserable. Regardless of the cause, joining such violence is both immoral to the region and to self.
 
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