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d_jedi

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first reading is putting it on paper, that happened already... here's the process for you. It's good they delayed today. We don't want them rushing to vote, we want to see that pricey report. Let's hope the MPs feel that way too. Committee might take months. Plenty of room for amendments etc.


In Canada, the bill passes through the following stages:

First reading: This stage is a mere formality.

Second reading: As in the UK, the stage involves a debate on the general principles of the bill and is followed by a vote. Again, the second reading of a government bill is usually approved. A defeat for a Government bill on this reading signifies a major loss. If the bill is read a second time, then it progresses to the committee stage.

Committee stage: This usually takes place in a standing committee of the Commons or Senate.
Standing committee: The standing committee is a permanent one; each committee deals with bills in specific subject areas. Canada's standing committees are similar to the UK's select committees.
Special committee: A committee established for a particular purpose, be it the examination of a bill or a particular issue.
Legislative committee: Similar to a special committee in that it is established for the consideration of a particular bill. The chairmanship is determined by the Speaker, rather than elected by the members of the committee. Not used in the Senate.
Committee of the Whole: The whole house sits as a committee in the House of Commons or Senate. Most often used to consider appropriation bills, but can be used to consider any bill.

The committee considers each clause of the bill, and may make amendments to it. Significant amendments may be made at committee stage. In some cases, whole groups of clauses are inserted or removed. However, if the Government holds a majority, almost all the amendments which are agreed to in committee will have been tabled by the Government to correct deficiencies in the bill or to enact changes to policy made since the bill was introduced (or, in some cases, to import material which was not ready when the bill was presented).

Report stage: this takes place on the floor of the appropriate chamber, and allows the House or Senate to approve amendments made in committee, or to propose new ones.

Third reading: A debate on the final text of the bill, as amended.

Passage: The bill is then sent to the other House (to the Senate, if it originated in the House of Commons; to the Commons, if it is a Senate bill), where it will face a virtually identical process. If the other House amends the bill, the bill and amendments are sent back to the original House for a further stage.

Consideration of Senate/Commons amendments: The House in which the bill originated considers the amendments made in the other House. It may agree to them, amend them, propose other amendments in lieu or reject them. If each House insists on disagreeing with the other, the Bill is lost.
Disagreement between the Houses: There is no specific procedure under which the Senate's disagreement can be overruled by the Commons. The Senate's rejection is absolute.

The debate on each stage is actually debate on a specific motion. For the first reading, there is no debate. For the second reading, the motion is "That this bill be now read a second time and be referred to [name of committee]" and for third reading "That this bill be now read a third time and pass." In the Committee stage, each clause is called and motions for amendments to these clauses, or that the clause stand part of the bill are made. In the Report stage, the debate is on the motions for specific amendments.

Once a bill has passed both Houses in an identical form, it receives final, formal examination by the Governor General, who gives it the Royal Assent. Although the Governor General can refuse to assent a bill or reserve the bill for the Queen at this stage, this power has never been exercised.
And the less accurate (it's for the US), but more entertaining version:
 

TeasePlease

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first reading is putting it on paper, that happened already... here's the process for you. It's good they delayed today. We don't want them rushing to vote, we want to see that pricey report. Let's hope the MPs feel that way too. Committee might take months. Plenty of room for amendments etc.


In Canada, the bill passes through the following stages:

First reading: This stage is a mere formality.

Second reading: As in the UK, the stage involves a debate on the general principles of the bill and is followed by a vote. Again, the second reading of a government bill is usually approved. A defeat for a Government bill on this reading signifies a major loss. If the bill is read a second time, then it progresses to the committee stage.

Committee stage: This usually takes place in a standing committee of the Commons or Senate.
Standing committee: The standing committee is a permanent one; each committee deals with bills in specific subject areas. Canada's standing committees are similar to the UK's select committees.
Special committee: A committee established for a particular purpose, be it the examination of a bill or a particular issue.
Legislative committee: Similar to a special committee in that it is established for the consideration of a particular bill. The chairmanship is determined by the Speaker, rather than elected by the members of the committee. Not used in the Senate.
Committee of the Whole: The whole house sits as a committee in the House of Commons or Senate. Most often used to consider appropriation bills, but can be used to consider any bill.

The committee considers each clause of the bill, and may make amendments to it. Significant amendments may be made at committee stage. In some cases, whole groups of clauses are inserted or removed. However, if the Government holds a majority, almost all the amendments which are agreed to in committee will have been tabled by the Government to correct deficiencies in the bill or to enact changes to policy made since the bill was introduced (or, in some cases, to import material which was not ready when the bill was presented).

Report stage: this takes place on the floor of the appropriate chamber, and allows the House or Senate to approve amendments made in committee, or to propose new ones.

Third reading: A debate on the final text of the bill, as amended.

Passage: The bill is then sent to the other House (to the Senate, if it originated in the House of Commons; to the Commons, if it is a Senate bill), where it will face a virtually identical process. If the other House amends the bill, the bill and amendments are sent back to the original House for a further stage.

Consideration of Senate/Commons amendments: The House in which the bill originated considers the amendments made in the other House. It may agree to them, amend them, propose other amendments in lieu or reject them. If each House insists on disagreeing with the other, the Bill is lost.
Disagreement between the Houses: There is no specific procedure under which the Senate's disagreement can be overruled by the Commons. The Senate's rejection is absolute.

The debate on each stage is actually debate on a specific motion. For the first reading, there is no debate. For the second reading, the motion is "That this bill be now read a second time and be referred to [name of committee]" and for third reading "That this bill be now read a third time and pass." In the Committee stage, each clause is called and motions for amendments to these clauses, or that the clause stand part of the bill are made. In the Report stage, the debate is on the motions for specific amendments.

Once a bill has passed both Houses in an identical form, it receives final, formal examination by the Governor General, who gives it the Royal Assent. Although the Governor General can refuse to assent a bill or reserve the bill for the Queen at this stage, this power has never been exercised.


Lol. I know the process. I've testified before a few committees in my day. I thought today was the govt introducing the bill, which was consistent with the fluffy discussion on the floor.
 

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Well, my position is we need to fight dirty to win this war.
As far as I'm concerned, ladies.. name and shame these Conservative bastards.
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. How many ladies do you think have Brazilian wax jobs or bikini waxes in Canada. Can either of those two activities be described as being anything but the "purchase of sexual services"? The trick maybe to get the word out that so many things will fall under this loosely defined "sexual services" that thousands and thousands of law abiding Canadians could be swept up by this nonsense.

Would love to know what spa Mrs. Harper, Mrs. MacKay and Mrs. Smith attend. Can't think of three better people to be the first chargedwith purchasing sexual services.
 

lovelatinas

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Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. How many ladies do you think have Brazilian wax jobs or bikini waxes in Canada. Can either of those two activities be described as being anything but the "purchase of sexual services"? The trick maybe to get the word out that so many things will fall under this loosely defined "sexual services" that thousands and thousands of law abiding Canadians could be swept up by this nonsense.

Would love to know what spa Mrs. Harper, Mrs. MacKay and Mrs. Smith attend. Can't think of three better people to be the first chargedwith purchasing sexual services.
A pedicure from a pedophile for Joy Smith.
 

TeasePlease

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of course it does, there is never debate on the first reading, it's the second reading when the debate begins. It's actually not likely to fail second reading ... if it does, as it says above, it's a major fail. Major changes probably won't occur, if they do at all, until committee stage.


well not really, see above. We've been reading it for a while now ever since it was introduced, or passed first reading.
That was my point. I didn't think there was "debate" yesterday. They didn't vote yesterday (a good thing) so it didn't pass second reading either. You can't pass first reading. There's no vote. It's just done.
 

TeasePlease

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Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. How many ladies do you think have Brazilian wax jobs or bikini waxes in Canada. Can either of those two activities be described as being anything but the "purchase of sexual services"? The trick maybe to get the word out that so many things will fall under this loosely defined "sexual services" that thousands and thousands of law abiding Canadians could be swept up by this nonsense.

Would love to know what spa Mrs. Harper, Mrs. MacKay and Mrs. Smith attend. Can't think of three better people to be the first chargedwith purchasing sexual services.
I don't doubt many things will fall within the jaws of c36, but bikini waxing ain't likely to be one unless they receive sexual gratification from the act itself. Perhaps the waxer should be concerned about profiteering from sexworkers tho....
 

TeasePlease

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Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition is obligated to, well, oppose the government. But does anyone else get the feeling that the criticisms launch thus far seem to lack conviction and "oomph"? wtf.
 

spiral

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That joy smith... Like all conservatives shes very zealous and passionate about what she stands. She makes a good point and and its sorta hard to argue what she just said :/
 
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