Israel Gives US the Finger - Announces 2600 New Houses on Eve of Obama Meeting

[fuji]

You do not have a right to defend yourself from a lawful boarding that is enforcing a lawful blockade.

But at least now you have confessed that they were armed and violent.

However you are still lying: they were armed hours before IDF got there, as proven my the activist video that shows them armed.

 

[basketcase]

...the aid workers who survived the first round of slaughter....

Yep, round of slaughter up there with the genocide against the Palestinians. Rhetoric that runs counter to facts.

And as for the video showing the IHH arming themselves well before the Israelis appeared....I guess that isn't worth grog's comment.



p.s. Another 'aid worker' like those in the IHH was just exposed.


Israeli rights group admits employee denied Holocaust

B’Tselem denounces remarks by Ataf Abu Rub, who said WWII atrocities are ‘a lie'; says it is investigating further

he Israeli human rights NGO B’Tselem conceded earlier this week that one of its employees denied the Holocaust, retracting an earlier statement which had initially rejected the allegations.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-rights-group-admits-employee-denied-holocaust/

Just because thugs hang around with aid workers doesn't make them any more respectable.

 

[groggy]

You do not have a right to defend yourself from a lawful boarding that is enforcing a lawful blockade.

It was an illegal boarding, it happened in international waters.
The blockade is illegal, as reported by the UN.

The aid workers were defending themselves against an illegal attack.

And the aid workers were not armed, there was no evidence that they had any guns or heavy weapons.

 

[fuji]

It was an illegal boarding, it happened in international waters.
The blockade is illegal, as reported by the UN.

The most recent UN report, along with the only report with legal standing, concluded the blockade is fully legal, and international waters is where blockades are usually enforced. Israel had ever right to prevent Iran from shipping missiles to Hamas, many nations have stood up and recognized the legitimate need to disarm Hamas, including now the whole EU.

And the aid workers were not armed, there was no evidence that they had any guns or heavy weapons.

They were armed with steel rods and knives.

Your blatant lying is exposed.

 

[groggy]

The most recent UN report, along with the only report with legal standing

The only UN report to investigate the legality of the blockade, with authors who were ex-ICC judges and fully competent to make such calls, was the UN HRC report.
They found the blockade to be illegal, the boarding to be illegal and the volunteer aid workers and citizens to be have been 'summarily executed'.

As for your accusation that they were armed.
By that standard, all settlers are armed and are therefore militants.
By that standard all Israeli's, and pretty much anyone with a kitchen, is a militant.

They were not armed and not capable of withstanding a full out illegal assault by Israel's army.

 

[fuji]

The only UN report to investigate the legality of the blockade, with authors who were ex-ICC judges and fully competent to make such calls, was the UN HRC report.

Actually all three reports commented on the legality of the blockade. The final UN report dismissed UNHRC as biased and flawed. UNHRC had no standing, really is clearly biased, and was totally repudiated by the final UN report.

The only report with legal standing also found the blockade to be legal.

They were not armed and not capable of withstanding a full out illegal assault by Israel's army.

They were clearly armed with metal rods and knives. You are just lying. Whether or not you like it attacking someone with a knife or a club is assault with a weapon under any country's law. They were CLEARLY armed.

You lied when you said they were unarmed.

 

[groggy]

Actually all three reports commented on the legality of the blockade.

Only one report had the mandate to discuss the blockades legality and the expert legal minds to do so.
That UN report found the blockade illegal.


Why are you still supporting the attacking and killing of civilians?
Why do you still support state terrorism on every occasion you can?

 

[fuji]

UNHRC had no legal mandate whatsoever, no jurisdiction, no standing. Stop bullshitting.

The Turkel Commission was the only investigation that actually had a legal mandate and standing. The rest are just political opinions.

No one takes UNHRC seriously, it is a pathetic propaganda agency. The serious reports exonerated Israel.

 

[groggy]

UNHRC had no legal mandate whatsoever, no jurisdiction, no standing. Stop bullshitting.

The Turkel Commission was the only investigation that actually had a legal mandate and standing. The rest are just political opinions.

No one takes UNHRC seriously, it is a pathetic propaganda agency. The serious reports exonerated Israel.

The ICC will take the report very seriously, since it was written by judges who sat for them.

From the UN HRC report.

A. Mandate
1. On 2 June 2010 the Human Rights Council, in resolution 14/1, decided “to dispatch
an independent international fact-finding mission to investigate violations of international
law, including international humanitarian law and human rights law, resulting from the
Israeli attacks on the flotilla of ships carrying humanitarian assistance” to Gaza. The same
resolution authorized the President of the Council to appoint the members of this Mission
and called for the independent international fact-finding mission, hereinafter referred to as
“the Mission”, to report its findings to the fifteenth session of the Council.

..

5. The Council, in its resolution, decided to dispatch a mission to investigate
“violations” of international law, international humanitarian and human rights law,
resulting from the Israeli “attacks” on the flotilla carrying humanitarian assistance. This
appeared to determine that “violations” of international law, including international
humanitarian and human rights law had in fact occurred prior to any investigation. The
resolution also appeared to find as a fact that there had been Israeli attacks on the flotilla of
ships and that the ships were carrying humanitarian assistance.
6. The Mission did not interpret its task as proceeding on

And what did they have to say about the Palmer report:
They said its ultimate goal was to positively effect the relationship of Israel and Turkey.
In other words, it was set up to whitewash the incident.

Too bad that both Israel and Turkey wouldn't sign off on it and the UN had to bury the Palmer report.

 

[fuji]

The UNHRC does not have the authority to give anything legal standing. The only report which had any legal standing was the Turkel Commission, which was given real legal powers by the Israeli government. The only report with legal standing exonerated Israel AND the only report that had bipartisan collaboration, the UN SG's report, also exonerated Israel. The UNHRC report was explicitly disowned by the UN Secretary General -- the ICC won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. The ICC pay a lot more attention to the UN SG than they do to the stooges the UNHRC cooked up.

 

[groggy]

The UNHRC does not have the authority to give anything legal standing.

Tell that to the ICC, when Palestine joins after the US vetoes Abbas' call for an end to the occupation at the UN SC.

 

[fuji]

The ICC has nothing to do with the fact that UNHRC lacks the authority to give anything legal standing. Your default troll response just sounds stupid here.

 

[groggy]

The ICC has nothing to do with the fact that UNHRC lacks the authority to give anything legal standing. Your default troll response just sounds stupid here.

Your claim that the UN HRC report doesn't count will look very sad the day Palestine joins the ICC.


Goldstone found the blockade illegal, the ICRC found the blockade illegal and we've heard reports that the blockade has caused the permanent disfiguring of 10's of thousands of toddlers.
And all you offer is support for killing civilians who were protesting this war crime.

You are sick, a true supporter of terrorism.

 

[fuji]

Goldstone never even discussed the naval blockade. He discussed border closure which is an entirely different thing. The ICC will also be well aware that Goldstone has repudiated his criticisms of Israel. The ICRC has also said no such thing about the blockade.

The blockade was found to be legal by the Secretary General, it is unfathomable that the ICC would ignore that.

But more to the point it is ILLEGAL for the ICC to investigate anything that had already been effectively investigated by national authorities. With Israel having already participated in internal and external probes, all UN sanctioned, the ICC would be violating the law if it investigated. It is forbidden from doing so by the Statute of Rome.

 

[nottyboi]

I retaliation for the seizure of the land by Israel, the US refused to serve Netayahu lunch!! WOW!! That will show them.. sent packing on a empty stomach!!!!

 

[basketcase]

I retaliation for the seizure of the land by Israel, the US refused to serve Netayahu lunch!! WOW!! That will show them.. sent packing on a empty stomach!!!!

What are you yammering about now?

 

[groggy]

Goldstone never even discussed the naval blockade. He discussed border closure which is an entirely different thing. The ICC will also be well aware that Goldstone has repudiated his criticisms of Israel. The ICRC has also said no such thing about the blockade.

Goldstone stated the blockade and closure are all part of the same war crime policy.

The blockade was found to be legal by the Secretary General, it is unfathomable that the ICC would ignore that.

No it wasn't.
You lie.

But more to the point it is ILLEGAL for the ICC to investigate anything that had already been effectively investigated by national authorities. With Israel having already participated in internal and external probes, all UN sanctioned, the ICC would be violating the law if it investigated. It is forbidden from doing so by the Statute of Rome.

[/QUOTE]

Israel doesn't investigate itself seriously, that's well known.
Why do you think the UN HRC had to investigate?
Because Israel won't.

 

[jcpro]

I retaliation for the seizure of the land by Israel, the US refused to serve Netayahu lunch!! WOW!! That will show them.. sent packing on a empty stomach!!!!

Some honesty and clarity would be nice on this issue. The construction was approved 2 years ago, in a Jewish neighborhood, and inside the Green Line. There's no doubt about the ownership of this area, it will not be a part of future negotiations and nobody was displaced in order to make this project happen. What's more, parts of the development are slated for Israeli Arabs. The negative reaction of the Obama's administration is just another sign how out of touch and incompetent the US foreign policy has become.

 

[fuji]

Goldstone stated the blockade and closure are all part of the same war crime policy.

He never discussed the naval blockade AT ALL.

Israel doesn't investigate itself seriously, that's well known.

The author of the Goldstone report has gone on record saying the Israeli investigations were thorough. The UN had expressed official support for the flotilla investigations. Sorry but given those FACTS, in the latter case in an official and formal statement from the UN Secretary General, it would be illegal for the ICC to investigate.

And while you KKK supporters downplay statements from the UN Secretary General the ICC is required to take them seriously.

 

[groggy]

He never discussed the naval blockade AT ALL.

You're lying again.
The Goldstone authors clearly stated that the naval blockade was part of the policy of closure, which was a war crime as reported by the ICRC.
This is all part of the policy you back which has resulting in disfiguring 10's of thousands of toddlers.
Why do you still support disfiguring toddlers?

The author of the Goldstone report has gone on record saying the Israeli investigations were thorough. The UN had expressed official support for the flotilla investigations. Sorry but given those FACTS, in the latter case in an official and formal statement from the UN Secretary General, it would be illegal for the ICC to investigate.

None of the authors of the Goldstone report retracted their statement that the blockade and closure were war crimes.
The UN stated that the Israeli investigations weren't credible.

You really should stop lying so much, but then again, I understand that its part of your job as paid hasbara troll.
Lie, lie, lie and then shout a bit, a couple of insults and another lie.

All in the support of disfiguring toddlers, war crimes and setting up your apartheid state.
Hope the pay is worth it.