Religious Idiots Against The New Sex Ed. Curriculum

AK-47

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Again, it's not up to you to deny MY children access to facts based on YOUR BELIEFS.. If you want to indoctrinate your own children with your personal "beliefs" then you do it on your own fucking time.. You're well within your "rights" to withdraw your children from these classes so that they won't learn whatever FACTS you (personally) BELIEVE they aren't ready for
You're very emotional about this, arent you??

You're well within your "rights" to withdraw your children from these classes
I think thats actually the perfect solution. Have kids enrolled into sex-ed classes by parents who want to, and have parents who don't want their kids exposed to this stuff allowed option to remove their kids from sex-ed classes.

Problem solved. That wasnt so hard was it??
 

AdamH

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I think thats actually the perfect solution. Have kids enrolled into sex-ed classes by parents who want to, and have parents who don't want their kids exposed to this stuff allowed option to remove their kids from sex-ed classes.
Wish you had explained this to your 200 odd friends who showed up at Queen's Park yesterday... They seem to think that asking them to remove their children from classes (in which facts will be taught that these individual parents choose not to believe in) was some kind of assault on THEIR rights (rather than acknowledging the FACT that it's actually the denial of facts to children of parents who don't hold those specific beliefs which is an assault on THEIR rights)..
 

AK-47

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Wish you had explained this to your 200 odd friends who showed up at Queen's Park yesterday... They seem to think that asking them to remove their children from classes (in which facts will be taught that these individual parents choose not to believe in) was some kind of assault on THEIR rights (rather than acknowledging the FACT that it's actually the denial of facts to children of parents who don't hold those specific beliefs is an assault on THEIR rights)
How did you know they all felt that way?? Did you ask all 200 people who were there??
Or are just assuming they all think that way??

FTR I know 2 mothers who attended that rally, and AFAIK they dont give a rats ass how you decide to educate your kids, they only object to their own kids being exposed to early age sex-ed classes
 

AdamH

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FTR I know 2 mothers who attended that rally, and AFAIK they dont give a rats ass how you decide to educate your kids, they only object to their own kids being exposed to early age sex-ed classes
Sounds like they're morons because they should have known that they can simply withdraw their kids from the classes..

How did you know they all felt that way?? Did you ask all 200 people who were there??
Why were they protesting then??? If the "perfect solution" (as you just put it) is simply to withdraw their children from the "offensive" classes..
 

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Guys it's pretty clear AK-47 is simply blinded by his political agenda despite the clear logic of your arguments. Typical Con would rather raise a bunch of ignorant fools than accept anything proposed by a queer Librul.
 

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Yeah, and we all grew up before the internet... you know, that thing that can turn one nude photo into a virus that is seen by tens of thousands of people in a matter of hours.
Exactly right! We're no longer living in the age of innocence where we can just brush off little Johnny's or Sally's questions of where babies come from because they will just find out on their own. Parents that think they know better or somehow have more control over their kids are fooling themselves. The fact of the matter is that parents and teachers have a role to play in sex education. It can no longer be something just to be talked about at home.
 

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So we're in agreement? That there's nothing wrong with the curriculum because you can choose to have your children opt out.. And that those who are protesting are (as the OP put it) Idiots?
No, because if a person has religious objections to gay people then they should still be allowed to protest. Whether you agree with them or not isnt the issue. Also calling them "idiots" proves your own hypocrisy, because Lefties like you always preach that name-calling people (like calling gays faggots for example) is wrong, so you should practice what you preach.

Oh and BTW, I'm not religious myself in case you were gonna go down that road
 

oldjones

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Sorry, I have no clue what you're trying to say
You've provided ample evidence for the 'no clue part'; it argues very poorly for your skills and qualifications as any sort of educator of your children.

Fortunately we've got a public education system that can try to undo at least some of the damage of misinformation and misguided attitudes that undereducated and misinformed parents can and do pass onto on their helpless children.
 

AdamH

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No, because if a person has religious objections to gay people then they should still be allowed to protest.
Nice try.. Nobody was calling to question their right to protest.. What was being called into question was whether or not they had anything to protest against.. You just acknowledged that they did not..

Unless you feel that they were protesting the fact that OTHER children were going to be taught facts which they don't "believe" in... Or perhaps they were simply protesting the fact that OTHER children were going to be taught facts which they don't "believe" those other children are prepared for..
 

AK-47

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Nice try.. Nobody was calling to question their right to protest.. What was being called into question was whether or not they had anything to protest against.. You just acknowledged that they did not
If they were protesting the fact that their kids had to sit through sex-ed classes and they didnt know they could pull their kids out, then they were at very least ill-informed on their rights as parents, and protesting was a bit stupid and futile

However, if you read that National Post link, it says kids cannot be pulled out of some classes. I suspect its the gay rights classes which they cant be pulled from. If thats the case they have every right to protest based on their religious grounds
 

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Guess what, I prefer to bring up my kids as I see fit.
You have the right to opt-out and home-school your kids. I do however feel sorry for your kids should you choose to.
 

AK-47

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You have the right to opt-out and home-school your kids. I do however feel sorry for your kids should you choose to
Yes, I'm sure you're a model parent yourself. Thats why you're on Terb
 

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The entirety of the debate on this thread revolves around the difference between facts and opinion.

Some things are easily identifiable as facts: the names of body parts, the laws that apply to sexual activity involving minors, the laws that establish the entitlement of persons of all sexual orientations to equal treatment under the law, etc.

Some things are clearly opinions: whether same sex relationships are "normal" or "right" (whatever that means, because that depends on what your definition of "normal" or "right" is), whether sexual activity by minors is accelerated or forestalled (or neither) by early sex education, whether sex education has any impact on schoolyard teasing or bullying around sex or sexual orientation issues, etc.

The basic problem is that, as a general rule, parents don't want schools presenting opinions as if they are facts. Children see schools and teachers as representing authority figures in their lives. If the school presents an opinion that a parent disagrees with, that parent may have an uphill battle persuading his/her children of their view. Obviously, everyone involved understands this. That's why people with strongly held opinions in these areas are so eager to have those opinions presented to children in a school setting at a young age.

It is difficult to understand the timing of these reforms. There is no evidence to suggest that the traditional problems that sex education was aimed at, like teenage pregnancy, are on the rise. The evidence seems to be that it is on the decline. Sexual abuse of children exists, and always has existed, but what is the evidence that it would be reduced by this education, and if so, why aren't the reforms focussed just on this issue?

There's a lot more going on here than "just presenting facts to keep pace with the times". Whether parents can articulate their views on this subject well or not, the concerns do not seem to be constrained to "close minded religious zealots".

Finally, schools are not required to educate children in all things. To ask them to do so is an abdication of the responsibility of parenthood, which is perhaps the biggest problem that exists in society today. I would rather see laws that require parents to educate their children in a variety of areas (how to respectfully interact with police or other public authorities, how to respectfully interact with other students at their schools, etc.) and hold the parents, not the children, responsible for any failures to do so. Then maybe we could stop arguing about what other people need to teach our children about life and civilized behaviour.
 

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AdamH

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I suspect its the gay rights classes which they cant be pulled from. If thats the case they have every right to protest based on their religious grounds
Quite right..
And some aspects of the new health curriculum can’t be avoided — explaining why it’s OK that some families are different, and not teasing other students because they have “two mommies” or two fathers, for instance.
You're so right.. Your (or somebody else's in this case) personal religious beliefs should totally trump my right to have my child taught that it's okay that the gay family next door exists.. Why should schools be teaching tolerance and acceptance anyway?? Who the fuck do they think they are??

Ironically you seem to feel that it's wrong for a democratically elected government to push their "beliefs" on the people because it infringes on the rights on individual citizens to push their "beliefs" on people..
 
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