Gillette's new commercial is drawing a huge backlash and boycotte..

[Uncharted]

Anyone, male or female can commit assholery, as one tiny example: Using a fragmentary quote without indicating the edit, never mind not considering the context it was taken from. Had you followed the thread, you'd have seen it was Frankfooter who asked the question, which the poster I replied to had ignored. I merely repeated it after responding. But at least you got the thread back on track, even if you're mis-directing your answer to me instead of Frank.

But you haven't answered the question either, and the examples you offer which grossly misrepresent the original commercial, and Frank's single sentence précis of it are just more evidence of how often we encounter the objectionable.

What's wrong with calling for better? If that registered was the bad stuff men do, that's worth thinking about. Resentment is futile.

Did you not also ask the question?

I singled out the question in the quote because that is specifically what I was addressing.
And my examples don't misrepresent anything in regards to the question that was asked.

I simply replaced one identifiable group with another, and one specific characteristic with another.
The structure and wording of the question remained identical.
If by doing this the question can be considered insulting to one of the identifiable groups, then logically the question must be insulting to all identifiable groups.

One can do the same in regards to the ad.
If you can simply replace the identifiable group with another, and the characteristic being associated, yet keep the structure of the ad the same, and the ad is considered offensive to the substituted identifiable group, then logically it must have been offensive to the original identifiable group as well.

 

[oldjones]

Because the metoo movement has been just as destructive as it has been helpful. Yes, it has ferreted out Men who are guilty of sexual harassment. It has also destroyed the lives of Men who aren't. Simply because an accusation was made by an anonymous person that can neither be proven or even verified.

Shit, some men have had their careers destroyed simply because of a third person rumor, when no actual specific victim has even come forward or known about, anonymously or otherwise.
And the reason this is allowed to happen, the reason that Men are treated as guilty until they prove themselves innocent, goes back to the very issues people have with this ad.
Men are generalized as already being sexual harassers simply because they are Men.

The entire Duke Lacrosse team had their lives completely decimated and their school's reputation destroyed because of this stereotyping that allowed a single woman with an axe to grind tell a bunch of stories that were later proven to be lies.

Those kids are still trying to get their lives back. Duck University's name is still stained.
The woman didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

I will say it again.
If we made up a word called Toxic Femininity, and painted all women with the brush of money grubbing, gold digging, catty bitches. Then Always made a commercial condemning all women for these traits in the name of selling Maxi Pads.

The ad would have been pulled within minutes of it being posted, and women would have been marching with pitch forks and torches, wanting someone's head.

And here you and your buds are, with your forks and torches, rabid and fuming about … , somebody else, another group — every one of them equally objectionable — that you've decided you're against. But you'll act just like them anyway.

The ad is about behaviour. You guys're making it about MEN, and identifying yourselves with demonstrably bad behaviour because … well, you're standing with your bro's, no matter how objectionable.

What's wrong with asking for better?

 

[richaceg]

It's because the word "Some" is not put in the ad somewhere?

I think they show some men are assholes and some are not. When they show men who are saying it is not cool to sexually harass, bully etc. They showed both sides.

And what is even more funny, the dad showing his kids how to shave while showing him coach his kid with a disability to football greatness is giving the same message of be the best man you can be. Why is that not considered a bad commercial? Why is that not lecturing dads on how to be fathers, etc etc?

Simply because women and sexual harassment was put in this ad, men have issue with it. What does that tell you?

It's not like only men are capable of those misdeeds pointed out in the ADs...simply put...the AD is all about men are predisposed as assholes unless their raised by a "single mom"...

 

[Ginomore]

Girls in high school bully other girls far more than boys but you will never see an ad like this one telling them to control their toxic femininity.

 

[Dougal Short]

CNBC article about the ad and the backlash.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/gillette-draws-fire-for-metoo-commercial.html

I guess if you define "backlash" as dislikes on YouTube, you're correct. Citing that airhead Piers Morgan isn't terribly convincing. To me, "backlash" is real if Gillette's sales take a dump, which I doubt they will.

 

[Uncharted]

And here you and your buds are, with your forks and torches, rabid and fuming about … , somebody else, another group — every one of them equally objectionable — that you've decided you're against. But you'll act just like them anyway.

The ad is about behaviour. You guys're making it about MEN, and identifying yourselves with demonstrably bad behaviour because … well, you're standing with your bro's, no matter how objectionable.

What's wrong with asking for better?

Because the ad employs the same stereotyping, in exactly the same way as the Metoo movement group.

Asking for better is not the issue.

Stereotyping Men as generally needing to do better is the issue.

 

[Zoot Allures]

It is a marketing technique. They want you to associate the good feelings you get from the ad with their product. CLEVER.

 

[oldjones]

Because the ad employs the same stereotyping, in exactly the same way as the Metoo movement group.

Asking for better is not the issue.

Stereotyping Men as generally needing to do better is the issue.

I saw as many examples of good behaviour as bad, so if you feel stereotyped as a Bad Man, I think that's you're doing, not Giillette's ad.

Asking for better is what the ad did. Explicitly.

When you tell your kids to try for better marks, are you stereotyping them as lazy dullards?

 

[Smallcock]

What the fuck kind of made up word is "toxic masculinity" anyways.

Nobody knows what these fake new terms mean. But some interesting trivia:

 

[Uncharted]

I saw as many examples of good behaviour as bad, so if you feel stereotyped as a Bad Man, I think that's you're doing, not Giillette's ad.

Asking for better is what the ad did. Explicitly.

When you tell your kids to try for better marks, are you stereotyping them as lazy dullards?

The sprinkling of good behavior was shown in the last half of the commercial, as an example of what they were asking Men to do. The first half of the commercial was nothing but men behaving badly. Thus the depiction is; "You all behave like this. This is how we want you to behave."

And when a parent tells a kid to try harder in school it is towards one kid in response to marks they individually have earned.
If a parent lectures both a child that gets straight A's and one that gets F's that they need to try harder in school just because of the one that got F's, the child who gets the straight A's is going to be understandable pissed.

 

[oldjones]

The sprinkling of good behavior was shown in the last half of the commercial, as an example of what they were asking Men to do. The first half of the commercial was nothing but men behaving badly. Thus the depiction is; "You all behave like this. This is how we want you to behave."

And when a parent tells a kid to try harder in school it is towards one kid in response to marks they individually have earned.
If a parent lectures both a child that gets straight A's and one that gets F's that they need to try harder in school just because of the one that got F's, the child who gets the straight A's is going to be understandable pissed.

It seems clear you identified as one who behaved like the Bad Guys not the Good. It's hard to see any other way that half a commercial showing bad behaviour and half good, could stereotype everyone in it as bad, or why you'd read it that way.

The kid who gets the A's is gonna be pissed because there's no room to be better, and the parent is being illogical. As illogical as picking that for an example. Unless you really meant to say that a significantly large number of men are so good already, and there is no room for improvement.

Here's the deal: Never mind how bad, how offensive or how mistaken someone else is; fixing them is likely impossible. Besides, who made you Right? Focus on fixing yourself. Because you can.

Asking again: What's wrong with urging people to do better?

 

[Big Sleazy]

Fuck Gillette. I've used their product for decades. Not anymore. This fake meme social construct called " Toxic Masculinity " has to stop. And the only ones that can stop it are Alpha Males with the ability to think critically and question the narrative with facts and logic. The generation growing up today are brainwashed. Take your kids out of school and stop going to University. Or as
Frank Zappa once said: " If you want to learn something go to the library. If you want to get laid go to University ".

 

[Scarey]

"Bob, all your going to do is piss off guys"
"Yeah, but guess who does the shopping mostly?.....that's right mah friend....Women!!!!"
"Bob, your a genius!!!!"....

Real World

"Honey, I bought your razors today"

"Thanks, but please don't buy these again. Gillette thinks guys are all rapists who can't educate our kids"

"No worries"

"Thank you"

Gillette - The worst an Ad can get

 

[Fathammer]

This is a classic example of jumping on the band wagon to increase sales.

Gillette doesnt care about anything but the bottom line. Unfortunately they came a little too late with this shit. People are fed up with SJW bullshit. The tide is turning the other way.

This will cause a sharp drop in their stocks but not finish them. All it will do is teach them a lesson on keeping their political views to themselves.

 

[omegaphallic]

Total crap commercial. Must have feminists running Gillette's marketing. Young guys today are afraid to approach any women in almost any circumstance. Some of you guys remember when we had no problem approaching women in bars, in grocery stores(particular on Saturday mornings when the singles did shopping), at church, even on the street if the opportunity was appropriate and at our job. It wasn't easy and took guts, but 99+ percent of us were not Weinstein types. And I would venture to say most women appreciated the attention as long as we backed off when we realized we were not their type. Often times you met a future SO that way. People need to stop listening to this feminists and media antisocial and scare bullshit. Let males and females be themselves and they will work it out as they have for thousands of years. I would like to say that I have bought my last Proctor and Gamble product. Will take some planning since they make multiple items in many consumer categories.

They do actually a hard core one.

 

[omegaphallic]

Can anyone tell me when we are having the next toddler fight club? It looks like fun.

Fucking ridiculous.

LMFAO, toddler fight club. These people are stunned. And they are just doubling down.

 

[omegaphallic]

This is a classic example of jumping on the band wagon to increase sales.

Gillette doesnt care about anything but the bottom line. Unfortunately they came a little too late with this shit. People are fed up with SJW bullshit. The tide is turning the other way.

This will cause a sharp drop in their stocks but not finish them. All it will do is teach them a lesson on keeping their political views to themselves.

Its already started and a competitor is taking full advantage, https://bawdybarber.com .

"At least one beard-care rival has attempted to poach disenfranchised Gillette users, tweeting, “Gillette is part of the anti-male SJW movement. Any men who are sick of this can come right on over to us … where we understand how men work and don’t try to change them into women.”"

 

[omegaphallic]

"Bob, all your going to do is piss off guys"
"Yeah, but guess who does the shopping mostly?.....that's right mah friend....Women!!!!"
"Bob, your a genius!!!!"....

Real World

"Honey, I bought your razors today"

"Thanks, but please don't buy these again. Gillette thinks guys are all rapists who can't educate our kids"

"No worries"

"Thank you"

Gillette - The worst an Ad can get

This. Yes women do most of the shopping, but they do take feed back on things like razors men don't want.

And guys (and ladies) don't forget to spread this around numbers will help make our point to Gillette and its parent company Proctor & Gamble.

 

[omegaphallic]

As a Trump supporter and donator to his campaign, wasn't expecting this from Robert Kraft. He must be stricken with conscience. My gut tells me that most of the voters who disliked this commercial hate the New England Patriots.

The MeToo# movement has been partially discredited by their silence toward Gwyneth Paltrow and Asia Argento.

What did I know what Asia did, but what did Gwyneth Paltrow do?

 

[Frankfooter]

Fuck Gillette. I've used their product for decades. Not anymore. This fake meme social construct called " Toxic Masculinity " has to stop. And the only ones that can stop it are Alpha Males with the ability to think critically and question the narrative with facts and logic. The generation growing up today are brainwashed. Take your kids out of school and stop going to University. Or as
Frank Zappa once said: " If you want to learn something go to the library. If you want to get laid go to University ".

When your alpha male is the pussy grabber in chief you're going to have to deal with the backlash.
Or you could find a real alpha male that doesn't talk about his daughters tits and can form full sentences.