Should Toronto Police be disbanded??
- Thread starter Phil C. McNasty
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Certainly present.
OTOH, I've met likeable, smart, educated cops during court cases, including young woman cops I would have loved to have gone on a date with, if I wasn't such an old geezer. Times have changed.
If memory serves me correct, when Bill Blair left the position, the candidates in the running were Mark Saunders and Peter Sloly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sloly
Sloly is now the Ottawa Chief of Police.
I think Saunders realizes the "writing is on the wall"; and figured it was a good time as any to step aside, and make a graceful exit.
The lefty politicians in Toronto are going to seize this opportunity and see how far they can go with it; I'm certain we will be hearing an editorial from Mike McCormack before the day is out.
The white-knuckled, flop sweat fear in this thread is delicious. :clap2: The lazy stupidity and refusal/inability to do even basic research into the topic at hand , not so much.
If you're a comfortable old oaf you need to do a little reading -- police abolition is not a new idea, and at this particular moment in time there are literally HUNDREDS of capsule/"'splainer"/primer type documents readily available with which to familiarize yourselves with the concept. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the lag behind contemporary theory, given that you all only figured out how to use the internet five years ago, but for real: please stop embarassing yourselves.
Some basic ideas for ppl to process are:
- abolition is not instantaneous; the police do not stop working overnight with no replacement institutions in place
- as defunding occurs and social services are increased there will be less crime. Stop looking at the world through the lens of Die Hards and Fast and Furiouses; most ACTUAL crime occurs because of poverty, mental illness or other suffering that can and should be addressed BEFORE a crime occurs. Almost nobody decides to be a criminal for the evil thrill of it.
- the vast majority of crime does not require armed interlopers, sanctioned by the state to deprive individuals of their rights by any means up to and including the infliction of pain or death, to resolve. Police abolitionists want trained specialists who have an actual stake in their communities to be available to address many types of criminal behaviour
If you're a comfortable old oaf you need to do a little reading -- police abolition is not a new idea, and at this particular moment in time there are literally HUNDREDS of capsule/"'splainer"/primer type documents readily available with which to familiarize yourselves with the concept. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the lag behind contemporary theory, given that you all only figured out how to use the internet five years ago, but for real: please stop embarassing yourselves.
Some basic ideas for ppl to process are:
- abolition is not instantaneous; the police do not stop working overnight with no replacement institutions in place
- as defunding occurs and social services are increased there will be less crime. Stop looking at the world through the lens of Die Hards and Fast and Furiouses; most ACTUAL crime occurs because of poverty, mental illness or other suffering that can and should be addressed BEFORE a crime occurs. Almost nobody decides to be a criminal for the evil thrill of it.
- the vast majority of crime does not require armed interlopers, sanctioned by the state to deprive individuals of their rights by any means up to and including the infliction of pain or death, to resolve. Police abolitionists want trained specialists who have an actual stake in their communities to be available to address many types of criminal behaviour
It is unbelievably sad that you can't see that that was DONE to your uncle.
How can you think he was born a bloodthirsty sociopath with no empathy or remorse? Those qualities were instilled in him by the training and assignments he was given, and the general culture of indoctrination/psychological conditioning utilized by the military. And that's the same sick shit that happens to cops; once they're put in a position of dominating other people they become diseased, and that diseased outlook is reinforced by the police institution itself.
Have you ever looked at the clearance rates for those crimes? The cops don't stop/solve them now.
You post on a board where countless sex workers have bravely stepped up to discuss unpunished sexual assaults they and their colleages/friends have endured, and you still have the gall to suggest that cops are an effective antidote to "raping."
Fewer police departments should resolve this problem.
Is it a problem? No marches or protests about it that I'm aware of.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ficers-slashed-parked-car-tires-amid-protests
Minne police slashed all the tires in a parking lot used by media crews covering the protests and later claimed "the cars could be used as deadly weapons"!!!
Yeah, I'm a lot closer to defunding the cops after reading that.
Minne police slashed all the tires in a parking lot used by media crews covering the protests and later claimed "the cars could be used as deadly weapons"!!!
Yeah, I'm a lot closer to defunding the cops after reading that.
Results are pretty overwhelming, although most of the extreme lefties on this forum haven't voted. Maybe we should put another poll asking if you support significant reductions (10+%) in the police budget. Bet that will be much closer than this one.
Do I think police forces should go? Obviously not.
But the training model needs to change, as does the focus. 20 weeks doesn't cut it for the public's expectations of what they should do in the modern age.
There should be a 4 year college course for all new recruits. And yes we should pay them more but ban overtime.
A second unit of officers for the security guard work, traffic and ticketing work should be created. 2 year course, not paid as well.
Increase community outreach, bring back Tavis, and big increase in gun possession charges to get the sociopaths.
But the training model needs to change, as does the focus. 20 weeks doesn't cut it for the public's expectations of what they should do in the modern age.
There should be a 4 year college course for all new recruits. And yes we should pay them more but ban overtime.
A second unit of officers for the security guard work, traffic and ticketing work should be created. 2 year course, not paid as well.
Increase community outreach, bring back Tavis, and big increase in gun possession charges to get the sociopaths.
Are you surprised at the results, given this forum consists of mostly white, mostly old men?
I'm more interested in hearing how all your kids and grandkids would vote.
We have put so many social service issues on the police that people literally cannot conceive of a world where those things are taken off of police shoulders.
The fact that police as we know them didn't exist 200 years ago is also beyond their vision. But to be fair, most people have trouble not realizing it wasn't *always* like this and that other options are possible.
No problem. I'll show them my professional looking "I am an anti-police liberal lefty" card. That's stop them from hurting me.
The answer to this question is not so simple. What exactly does disbanding mean? Do all police officers become community "engagers" or whatever name you want to give them? Do they all turn in their equipment like lethal and less than lethal weapons, squad cars, armoured cars, body armour, helicopters, etc.? What do we do with all the money that we would supposedly be saving by having fewer officers and less need for equipment. And the costs are not limited to the active duty officers. The pension obligations don't go away if we completely switch the policing model. Lots of very important details will have to be worked out.
I do think it's fair to ask why policing has become so expensive and are we getting value for money.
I do think it's fair to ask why policing has become so expensive and are we getting value for money.
What we need is for all the anti-cop armchair quarterback complainers to get off their butt and become police officers so that when they complain about police, they're forced to look in the mirror. But they won't because they're scared of guns and getting murdered by violent criminals and assaulted by addicts.
I'll even setup a GoFundMe for their 4 years of college in order to make them the top would-be cops in their class.
It just means they'll re-group as a band in 5 years and go on tour playing the same hit songs from 1970.
