Masks, do they really work?

[Phil C. McNasty]

So if masks are so effective, can somebody please explain why it doesnt seem to affect daily new cases in Ontario and some other countries.

Ontario has seen a decline new cases starting around the first week of May. Masks were made mandatory around the first week of July in most of Ontario, As you can see there's a slight decline when masks were made mandatory (red line) but new infections were already on the decline (see green line). So it doesnt seem to have made any difference, at least in Ontario.

Now lets have a look at Sweden. They never made masks mandatory (thanks for that info doggystyle). You can see a huge decline in new infections starting around the first week of July, and has been steadily declining ever since.

But in stark contrast, Greece did make masks mandatory and their new daily cases have been rising sharply over the last few months.

So if masks are so effective, how can there have been a drastic decline in new cases in Sweden but a huge uptick in Greece??
And how come masks seem to have made no difference in Ontario's new infections. We had 106 new cases yesterday, almost the exact same amount as we had on June 26th of this year.

Please explain that one to me.

And for the record, here is where I stand on the issue.

• I am pro social distancing.
• I am pro partial lockdowns.
• I am pro-mask on public transport and other areas where people are close together.
• I am anti-mask in stores (so long as people keep 2 metres apart).
• I am anti-mask in shopping malls (it makes no sense to walk around the Eaton Centre with a mask on).

I'll be waiting for your genius answers

 

[squeezer]

It's because so many do not take it seriously. SO many house parties happening it's disgusting. Take a walk along King any weeknight and watch the interaction between folks. I walked into a real estate office a few days ago and walked out as I saw every agent strolling about without masks. One came to greet me with his hand out which was disgusting. He lost his chance to make a possible quick sale.
Masks are only effective if used properly and many many do not. Although having said all this, compared to other countries we are doing great.

I still question your common sense and still place you in the amigo category because deep down you are completely against masks. This is why you keep bringing up asking for proof if masks actually work.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I still question your common sense and still place you in the amigo category because deep down you are completely against masks. This is why you keep bringing up asking for proof if masks actually work

And I'm putting you in the reading comprehension issues list, because I clearly stated that I'm not against masks per se, just in certain scenarios (which I outlined in OP).

And answer this question please, if Sweden never full locked down, and they never mandated masks, then how come their new infection rate has steadily declined over the last few months?? Maybe your proper answer should be "I dont know". At least then you'd be honest.

And if Sweden managed to reduce their new infection rate without mandating masks then there must be other factors involved which reduced the spread of Covid-19. Because it sure as hell wasnt the masks that did it

 

[doggystyle99]

Yes masks do really work. EOS

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Yes masks do really work. EOS

You didnt answer any of the questions I posed.
I didnt expect an intelligent answer from you though, so thanks for not letting me down

 

[superstar_88]

It keeps ugly people from appearing too ugly so from that standpoint it works.

 

[canada-man]

You didnt answer any of the questions I posed.
I didnt expect an intelligent answer from you though, so thanks for not letting me down

these lockdowns and mandatory masking laws are NOT about health all this crap supposed to last 2 weeks since then they constantly make excuses to extend restrictions. since April i no longer about about covid and the latest excuse and fear porn the tyrants create

 

[canada-man]

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

^^^ looks shopped

 

[Meesh]

From the CDC website

Masks and Respirators

Wear a mask with the best fit, protection, and comfort for you.

www.cdc.gov

Quoting from the page: " A mask may not protect the wearer, but it may keep the wearer from spreading the virus to others. "

 

[canada-man]

From the CDC website

Masks and Respirators

Wear a mask with the best fit, protection, and comfort for you.

www.cdc.gov

Quoting from the page: " A mask may not protect the wearer, but it may keep the wearer from spreading the virus to others. "

your health is your responsibility not strangers wearing a mask

 

[Meesh]

your health is your responsibility not strangers wearing a mask

Well, if you access the page, the CDC says its important to wear a mask.

But you obviously know better.

 

[doggystyle99]

You didnt answer any of the questions I posed.
I didnt expect an intelligent answer from you though, so thanks for not letting me down

8 months into a pandemic and you start a thread with the title Masks, do they really work?
The answer is exactly what I posted. Yes masks do really work.

If you haven't figured out what the public health agencies from around the world are advising people 8 months into a pandemic there is no need explaining it to you again. Clearly your issue is reading, understanding and learning as scientific data is relayed to you. But then again these scientific facts are not up your alley, more opinions/anecdotal evidence.

 

[squeezer]

8 months into a pandemic and you start a thread with the title Masks, do they really work?
The answer is exactly what I posted. Yes masks do really work.

If you haven't figured out what the public health agencies from around the world are advising people 8 months into a pandemic there is no need explaining it to you again. Clearly your issue is reading, understanding and learning as scientific data is relayed to you. But then again these scientific facts are not up your alley, more opinions/anecdotal evidence.

It's like talking to a brick wall. LMAO

The experts know nothing but when a crazy nutbar says anything they want to believe they jump all over it. It's fucking hilarious.

 

[doggystyle99]

It's like talking to a brick wall. LMAO

The experts know nothing but when a crazy nutbar says anything they want to believe they jump all over it. It's fucking hilarious.

We know how this works
99.98% of the scientists are wrong and we should listen to the 0.02% of scientists who are using flawed research or are putting their own interest ahead of the scientific data. Just amazing

 

[canada-man]

Prof. Udi Qimron will soon head the Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University.

In an interview with Yediot Ahronot, Qimron shed further light on the coronavirus. "There is a very great interest for anyone who has supported the draconian measures taken around the world to say that Sweden's policy has failed. Because if it succeeded, and trillions went down the drain for no reason, someone will have to answer for it.”



“That is why all over the world they prefer to claim that [Sweden] was wrong. But in the end, the truth came to the surface. In a world where decision makers, their advisers and the media were able to admit their mistake and the initial panic that gripped them, we would have long since returned to routine. The ongoing destruction due to the inability to admit this mistake, despite the epidemic’s small mortality numbers, is outrageous. History will judge the hysteria."



"If we had not been told that there was an epidemic in the country, you would not have known there was such an epidemic and you would not have done anything about it," he said emphatically. "The fact that this issue runs all day in the media inflates it beyond its natural dimensions. If black death had raged here, as in the 14th century, you would not have had to follow the situation in the news, the bodies would have piled up in the streets. We were not and we are not in this situation today."



Prof. Qimron noted that the total number of coronavirus deaths does not exceed 0.1% of the total population in any country, and the death rate from coronavirus is less than 0.01% of the total world population, meaning that 99.99% of the world's population so far has survived the epidemic and the virus is negligibly lethal.



He said smart behavior would be the opposite of what we do today; Populations not at risk should become infected and create chains of immunity, which will protect the sick and the elderly. We are currently working for sweeping social distancing, which prevents such differential immunity, he said.



He went on to explain that infection of children is a welcome thing, because it protects at-risk populations. "For the same reason, I would open up the whole education system, because the vast majority is made up of people who are not at risk. Of course a solution needs to be found for teachers suffering from diabetes or other background diseases, but I see no reason to prevent activities that encourage the economy. Not only because it allows parents to go to work, but also because it lowers mortality in the long run. I would also ask children and young people to take off their masks. Of course, it is impossible to force a child to take off a mask, but proper information will do the job."



"At the same time, I would call on at-risk populations, our parents and people with background illnesses, to avoid social gatherings in the coming months until we reach the appropriate immune depth. It is possible and desirable to recommend at-risk populations to wear masks. I would also open the skies and abolish the isolation obligation for those returning from abroad. With the situation of carriers abroad compared to within Israel, there is no reason to isolate tourists, just as you and I are not isolated even though we have an even higher probability than that of a random tourist from abroad to be a carrier. These are things that got into our minds four months ago and we do not understand that their time has passed," he added.

'History will judge the hysteria'

Top Tel Aviv U prof says "There is a great interest for anyone who supported the draconian measures in saying Sweden's policy has failed."

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[IM469]

So if masks are so effective, can somebody please explain why it doesnt seem to affect daily new cases in Ontario and some other countries.

Ontario has seen a decline new cases starting around the first week of May. Masks were made mandatory around the first week of July in most of Ontario, As you can see there's a slight decline when masks were made mandatory (red line) but new infections were already on the decline (see green line). So it doesnt seem to have made any difference, at least in Ontario.


And for the record, here is where I stand on the issue.

• I am pro social distancing.
• I am pro partial lockdowns.
• I am pro-mask on public transport and other areas where people are close together.
• I am anti-mask in stores (so long as people keep 2 metres apart).
• I am anti-mask in shopping malls (it makes no sense to walk around the Eaton Centre with a mask on).

I'll be waiting for your genius answers

While you wait for the genius to log on, I'll regale you with my two cents worth ...

Most people and many stores had already made masks required long before it was legally mandatory. Most people who were familiar with the concept of basic medical science were wearing masks before it was mandatory.

The last two points I highlighted from your list of current beliefs I have a disagreement. At the early stage of the pandemic I was in a grocery store about to buy some tomatoes when I saw a lady let out an unrestrained sneeze. I could actually see the spray settle as a mist over the tomatoes. I didn't buy the tomatoes but it got me thinking just how many people could get affected not only by walking through her settling mist but by touching the tomatoes after she left the aisle.

While I am not as strongly worried about Mall use outside of the individual stores, I can see it as a safety issue as you are not standing still maintaining your 6 foot distance - you are usually moving through everyone else's previous six foot safety zone. If 6 feet is the contact range in the air surrounding you for the virus to spread, I would think you wandering in the same envelope 2 seconds after they just left it would be trouble.

Just my two cents as we wait for the genius to arrive.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

8 months into a pandemic and you start a thread with the title Masks, do they really work?
The answer is exactly what I posted. Yes masks do really work

How's that working for Greece, smartypants??

Greece announces compulsory use of masks

'We are going to have to learn to live with use of masks,' says Greek deputy minister of crisis management - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[doggystyle99]

How's that working for Greece, smartypants??

Greece announces compulsory use of masks

'We are going to have to learn to live with use of masks,' says Greek deputy minister of crisis management - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Its working great, they have one of the lowest number of cases and deaths in Europe.
You think masks are supposed to be 100% proof and any uprise in the number of cases is proof masks don’t work which is untrue.
That’s a very uninformed view

There are so many parts to battling the virus it’s not one single method that will control the spread of the virus.

Your truly uninformed in one thread you claim Sweden is doing very well meanwhile they have one of the highest death/million population rates in Europe and the highest amongst Nordic countries, yet in another thread try to claim Greece is doing bad meanwhile they have one of the lowest number of cases & deaths/million population. Truly Genius

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Its working great, they have one of the lowest number of cases and deaths in Europe.
You think masks are supposed to be 100% proof and any uprise in the number of cases is proof masks don’t work which is untrue.
That’s a very uninformed view

There are so many parts to battling the virus it’s not one single method that will control the spread of the virus.

Your truly uninformed in one thread you claim Sweden is doing very well meanwhile they have one of the highest death/million population rates in Europe and the highest amongst Nordic countries, yet in another thread try to claim Greece is doing bad meanwhile they have one of the lowest number of cases & deaths/million population. Truly Genius

You are missing the point, if wearing masks prevents the spread of the virus then how come Greece's numbers are actually going up instead of down??

And also, how come Ontario's curve seems unaffected since masks were made mandatory 6 weeks ago??