Maui on fire

[jalimon]

I see the collapse of the economy happening because of climate.

The population is disturbing the regular path of climate change at a level that is too fast.

The big disturber will be... Insurance company.

Insurance company sells you an insurance as long as they remain low risk. They are now pulling out of many Florida and California location because the risk is not justified anymore.

Who will insure these Maui homes in the future?

Am I a fatalist? Not at all. I actually would love that the complete market of residential housing would completely collapse. It would hurt me a lot financially but I don't give a fuck. I will survive it and many will stop ending up in the street homeless. Down the road we will have a better society.

I the meantime all my hope for people in Maui to stay alive!

 

[shack]

There is already a thread on climate change in the Politics section.
Take it their.

Unfortunately, what is happening in Hawaii is part of a global pattern of extreme conditions that is part of global climate change. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing about reality.

As such, I'll comment here instead of there.

 

[bazokajoe]

Unfortunately, what is happening in Hawaii is part of a global pattern of extreme conditions that is part of global climate change. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing about reality.

As such, I'll comment here instead of there.

Sorry to disappoint you but the fire in Maui isn't uncommon for the state of Hawaii.
It was made worse by high winds from a hurricane south of the islands. Hurricanes passing south and north of Hawaii occurs every year.
The Hawaii islands are also known for the trade winds that occur through out the year.
There are parts of Maui and other Hawaiian islands that get very little rain and some parts that receive alot of rain.
Nothing to do with the climate change theory.

 

[shack]

Sorry to disappoint you but the fire in Maui isn't uncommon for the state of Hawaii.
It was made worse by high winds from a hurricane south of the islands. Hurricanes passing south and north of Hawaii occurs every year.
The Hawaii islands are also known for the trade winds that occur through out the year.
There are parts of Maui and other Hawaiian islands that get very little rain and some parts that receive alot of rain.
Nothing to do with the climate change theory.

I never said that extreme weather has never happened before.

Do you believe that we are seeing more examples of extreme weather globally? More flooding, more fires, more hurricanes, more extreme heat episodes etc., etc. or is this the way it's always been?

 

[K Douglas]

I never said that extreme weather has never happened before.

Do you believe that we are seeing more examples of extreme weather globally? More flooding, more fires, more hurricanes, more extreme heat episodes etc., etc. or is this the way it's always been?

I believe extreme weather events are probably higher in number but that's because we have better detection methods. But as far as catastrophic damage and death due to climate events are concerned, the numbers have been declining for decades.

 

[jalimon]

I believe extreme weather events are probably higher in number but that's because we have better detection methods. But as far as catastrophic damage and death due to climate events are concerned, the numbers have been declining for decades.

Nope. Not according the climatologist.

 

[shack]

I believe extreme weather events are probably higher in number but that's because we have better detection methods. But as far as catastrophic damage and death due to climate events are concerned, the numbers have been declining for decades.

Using a similar logic to what you just used, maybe the declining numbers of damage and death is due to better construction methods, better materials and improved medical technology, better medical methods and better trauma care.

 

[shack]

Sorry to disappoint you but the fire in Maui isn't uncommon for the state of Hawaii.
It was made worse by high winds from a hurricane south of the islands. Hurricanes passing south and north of Hawaii occurs every year.
The Hawaii islands are also known for the trade winds that occur through out the year.
There are parts of Maui and other Hawaiian islands that get very little rain and some parts that receive alot of rain.
Nothing to do with the climate change theory.

Sorry Joe, one more question.

Maybe I don't follow the news enough but I don't recall seeing the type of coverage that Hawaii is getting ever before even though you say that they're uncommon.

Would you be kind enough to post some links of a few previous comparable disastrous wildfires, seeing as the exacerbating conditions you've described are nothing new. They seem to be ongoing. 36 deaths so far and extensive damage to property (2,000 buildings destroyed or damaged) and surrounding landscape.

 

[anon1]

 

[Frankfooter]

I believe extreme weather events are probably higher in number but that's because we have better detection methods. But as far as catastrophic damage and death due to climate events are concerned, the numbers have been declining for decades.

Tell that to the insurance industry.
That's one of the most conservative industries around.

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/10/us-storms-leave-insurance-industry-climate-change

Janet Yellen sees a ‘protection gap’ between insurance and climate change—just 60% of 2020’s $165 billion in losses got covered

How climate change could cause a home insurance meltdown

 

[bazokajoe]

I never said that extreme weather has never happened before.

Do you believe that we are seeing more examples of extreme weather globally? More flooding, more fires, more hurricanes, more extreme heat episodes etc., etc. or is this the way it's always been?

No I don't believe it.
Do you believe that in 4 billion years of existence the plant has never gone through a cycle like this before?

 

[bazokajoe]

Sorry Joe, one more question.

Maybe I don't follow the news enough but I don't recall seeing the type of coverage that Hawaii is getting ever before even though you say that they're uncommon.

Would you be kind enough to post some links of a few previous comparable disastrous wildfires, seeing as the exacerbating conditions you've described are nothing new. They seem to be ongoing. 36 deaths so far and extensive damage to property (2,000 buildings destroyed or damaged) and surrounding landscape.

Maui surveys the burned wreckage caused by the deadliest U.S. wildfire in years

Maui County said late Wednesday that at least 36 people had died, making it the deadliest U.S. blaze since the 2018 Camp Fire in California.

torontosun.com

Read the entire article.
Brush fires are not uncommon in Hawaii.
This fire was made worse by strong winds from a hurricane south of the islands.
Educate yourself.

 

[bazokajoe]

Just another average summer in Hawaii.
It's not uncommon for brush fires to happen at least once a month. Even in the winter months which is their typical rainy season.
Talk to people who have visited any of the Hawaiian islands many times. Maybe they can clue you in.

All Hawaii island roads open as firefighters douse wildfires | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

UPDATE: 7:20 p.m.

www.staradvertiser.com

 

[Frankfooter]

No I don't believe it.
Do you believe that in 4 billion years of existence the plant has never gone through a cycle like this before?

This is the 6th Mass Extinction, so yes, the planet has gone through it before and done fine.
Including the Thermal Maximum.

The latest theories are that the dinosaurs were wiped out globally in less than an hour from one asteroid.
Shit happens but that doesn't mean you want to make shit happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

Just another average summer in Hawaii.
It's not uncommon for brush fires to happen at least once a month. Even in the winter months which is their typical rainy season.
Talk to people who have visited any of the Hawaiian islands many times. Maybe they can clue you in.

All Hawaii island roads open as firefighters douse wildfires | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

UPDATE: 7:20 p.m.

www.staradvertiser.com

Sure, bush fires are common.
This kind of forest fire is not.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Just another average summer in Hawaii.
It's not uncommon for brush fires to happen at least once a month. Even in the winter months which is their typical rainy season.
Talk to people who have visited any of the Hawaiian islands many times. Maybe they can clue you in.

All Hawaii island roads open as firefighters douse wildfires | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

UPDATE: 7:20 p.m.

www.staradvertiser.com

So some of the buildings in Lahaina were over 200 years old according to one resident there. How often has Lahaina burnt to the ground?

 

[Not getting younger]

So some of the buildings in Lahaina were over 200 years old according to one resident there. How often has Lahaina burnt to the ground?

How often has a perfect storm of strong winds and nearby wildfire occurred?

Not arguing for or against but that’s kind of saying anytown, in northern Ontario, Yellowstone. Anywhere where fires are common. If it’s climate change why are they still standing?

 

[shack]

Maui surveys the burned wreckage caused by the deadliest U.S. wildfire in years

Maui County said late Wednesday that at least 36 people had died, making it the deadliest U.S. blaze since the 2018 Camp Fire in California.

torontosun.com

Read the entire article.
Brush fires are not uncommon in Hawaii.
This fire was made worse by strong winds from a hurricane south of the islands.
Educate yourself.

That doesn't answer my question which was a historical one. There should be lots of documentation of previous fires like these. I heard there's now over 50 dead. How many other times has this happened?

Which pretty much means that you can't come up with any previous episodes of this magnitude in Hawaii even though brush fires are common and trade winds have been frequent throughout history as have hurricanes over the Pacific near Hawaii. BTW, what happens in California is not relevant to my question.

Mind you, the fires in California the last couple of years have been their worst ever in terms of magnitude and frequency. Do you watch the news?

You tell me to educate myself but you should take your head out of the sand and look at what is happening all around the world. Catastrophic events are more frequent and more severe. You need to get in touch with reality. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

[bazokajoe]

That doesn't answer my question which was a historical one. There should be lots of documentation of previous fires like these. I heard there's now over 50 dead. How many other times has this happened?

Which pretty much means that you can't come up with any previous episodes of this magnitude in Hawaii even though brush fires are common and trade winds have been frequent throughout history as have hurricanes over the Pacific near Hawaii. BTW, what happens in California is not relevant to my question.

Mind you, the fires in California the last couple of years have been their worst ever in terms of magnitude and frequency. Do you watch the news?

You tell me to educate myself but you should take your head out of the sand and look at what is happening all around the world. Catastrophic events are more frequent and more severe. You need to get in touch with reality. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

You obviously can't read very well or at all.
Nowhere did I mention California. Put down the weed and sober up.
You believe the Maui fire is due to climate change. Which it isn't.
Done arguing with someone as clueless as you.

 

[bazokajoe]

Death toll now at 53 and expected to keep rising.

Maui County raises death toll to 55 | Honolulu Star-Advertiser

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