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He's talking about the concept of the IBA tests for sex being flawed...The ''concept''...If he doesn't accept the concept then he doesn't accept the test result.


He's back to using a passport to identify sex again....Passports indicate ''gender'' today not biological sex.

KB I can't anywhere where Khelif has tested for hormone levels to determine sex .

Looks like the IOC changed their definitions of what constitutes a woman for competition in 2016 and this is the outcome.
I think you are correct about the passport photo’s being used as the sole screen for gender eligibility. Also…They do not appear to be doing any testing for testosterone.


I copied this section from the above document that speaks further about the IOC’s stance on testosterone testing:

Why doesn’t the Framework propose a universal testosterone threshold to determine eligibility?
The Framework is not for or against any one approach to regulating eligibility for sex-segregated competition. In the case of eligibility criteria for trans athletes, for example, it neither endorses nor prohibits the use of testosterone levels. The IOC recognises that testosterone could be an important factor shaping performance in elite athletes. However, the limitations of testosterone-based eligibility criteria are widely recognised in the sports science community. In addition to testosterone levels varying across individuals, existing evidence suggests that the relevance of testosterone to athletic performance will vary from sport to sport, and at times even from event to event. This includes considerable variation amongst cisgender male athletes, even in elite sport, where it has been demonstrated some men have testosterone levels considered by sports bodies to be in what some experts consider to be the normal women’s range. In other words, athletic performance varies independently of an individual athlete’s testosterone levels. There is thus no scientific consensus on how testosterone levels can be used across sports to define unfair and disproportionate advantage.

Some trans people will pursue gender affirming care as part of their individual transition journey. It may be reasonable to take such choices into account when assessing eligibility, such as when trans women have lowered their testosterone levels, in sports where it is established that testosterone levels are relevant to mitigating potential performance advantage. However, IFs should avoid drafting eligibility criteria in a way that may pressure or incentivise athletes to undergo medically unnecessary procedures or treatment that they would not otherwise pursue for their own gender identity, health, or wellbeing reasons. Ultimately, the Framework asks that any eligibility criteria be based on an assessment of unfair and disproportionate advantage that is informed by the specificities of a given sport/discipline/event, is supported by appropriate data, and is consistent with the Framework as a whole.
 
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This article talks some more about the IOC’s approach to gender testing:
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From the above article:

How does the Olympics test for gender qualification?
Due to the banishment of the IBA, the IOC used rules from 2016 in determining boxers’ gender eligibility.

It leaves regulations up to each sport's international governing body because "they know their sport and their discipline the best," IOC spokesman Mark Adams told reporters. "I hope we all agree that we're not calling for people to go back to the days of sex testing which was a terrible, terrible thing to do. This involves real people and we're talking about real people's lives here."

The history of sex testing at the Olympics is decades-long and practices such as invasive physical examination have been exposed as abusive. The IOC in recent years updated its policy to be more inclusive and doesn't require athletes to undergo "medically unnecessary" procedures or treatment, NBC News reported.

Several Olympic sports’ governing bodies have also updated their gender rules over the past three years, including World Aquatics, World Athletics and the International Cycling Union. The governing body for track and field also last year tightened rules on athletes with differences in sex development.
 
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People still keep quoting the bit about "X/Y chromosomes" like there are actually any tests the IBA has presented.
There is one guy who said it on a Telegram channel, from what I understand.
Lots of politics as well. Since Russia is involved in the IBA and is pissed at the IOC for criticizing the IBA.
 
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You are the one claiming that the situation is “just like a failed drug test.” Now you’re saying it’s nothing like a failed drug test and now it’s all about ”eligibility”.

Well…okay…please allow me to amen my previous answer:

“Sure…but Khelif did not fail any drug eligibility test. Her testosterone levels are normal and the only claim of her having an XY chromosome comes from the IBA which will not release the test result and is known to have the credibility of a Russian bot farm.

Anyway…I would agree that if she was caught cheating ineligible then she should be disqualified…but that is NOT what happened. The only reason for bringing up her record is to dispel the myth that Khelif, though she did not cheat or do ANYTHING wrong, is somehow a danger to other women she fights due to her super-human punching power when this is not true either.

In fact, very little of the controversy surrounding this athlete is based in fact. This whole story is nothing but a bunch of hysterical pearl-clutching from people who hate the trans community and believed this was going to be a major culture-war victory for them. But when it turned out that the facts did not align with their narrative they keep decided not to let the facts get in the way of a good meltdown and doubled down on what they are saying.

This is the world that we have created for ourselves.
*barf*”



Better?
A failed drug test gives a person an unfair advantage. I'm not saying it's the same thing, I'm saying the conclusions are the same. We are trying to catch and filter unfair advantages.

And you can't amend anything. You said what you said.

She did fail an eligibility test. They just removed the governing committee and changed to rules. It's up to the IOC to be fully transparent with full details.
 

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Misinformation persists online after super-brief Olympic boxing bout
How 46 seconds in the ring ignited a firestorm

Neither Khelif nor Lin identify as transgender or as having been born with a male body. According to a fact check from GLAAD, there is no indication Khelif has ever identified as transgender or as intersex.

Nor is there any evidence to support the online speculation that Khelif has experienced differences in sex development (DSD), a group of rare conditions that can cause women to have XY chromosomes and blood testosterone levels in the male range.

The allegations against Khelif were frequently framed as a call to protect the integrity of women's sports and, by extension, the women themselves.

But that's an inauthentic argument according to Michele Donnelly, an associate professor of sport management and a gender issues researcher at Brock University. She sees it as an excuse to push a transphobic agenda.

"It's so obviously not about women's sport at all. It's about really forwarding a trans-exclusionary, transphobic agenda," she said.

"If people were truly interested in fairness and women's sport, they would be advocating for more media coverage, for more resources invested in women's sport, more opportunities."
 
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To all the women and men out there, fighting the GOOD fight. It is exhausting to face hatred and vitriol at this level, just for stating the truth. I am so grateful that you are here. We are all in this together. I am also grateful that more people are waking up right now. Joining us in the GOOD fight. The litmus test for our politicians and other elected officials should be this question: «What is a woman?»
 

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Doesn’t she look like Khelif a little? 1722834595031.jpeg
 

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In Khelif’s case, though, her testosterone levels are within IOC regulations for women. She did not have to take hormone-suppressing medication to compete.
People still keep quoting the bit about "X/Y chromosomes" like there are actually any tests the IBA has presented.
The IBA cannot release the gender test due to confidentiality around personal health records. So yes there are actually test. But they cannot go into specific details. And because of this the IOC is taking advantage of the situation....
 
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Is there any actual evidence the IBA did a real test?
Isn't that part of the problem?
They did an actual test. But they cannot release the detailed results due to privacy around personal health records.
 
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