Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029 :Heart Attack:

[Butler1000]

As of now they havent lied.
So answer my question.

The Liberal party has. They supported Justin's lies for ten years. Dating back to electoral reform and small deficits with balanced budgets. Which means they will support Carney’s when he lies. And so far, the banker/private equity guy's numbers don't make sense. So that tells me he is lying.

Sorry dude, but he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because the party doesn't deserve it.

And btw, that argument you are trying to use also clearly applies to the Conservatives. They haven't "lied" about their platform either have they?

You are building a field of strawman now.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The Liberal party has. They supported Justin's lies for ten years.
And btw, that argument you are trying to use also clearly applies to the Conservatives. They haven't "lied" about their platform either have they?
You are building a field of strawman now.

Its not a strawman argument.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
You asked about the carbon tax.
They did not lie about the carbon tax as of this moment.
They have suspended it.
If they come to power and reinstate it, I will accept they lied to get votes.
As for conservatives, my question was specific.
Pierre is on record saying that Canada will stay sovereign while repeating Trump rhetoric for everything from gender to straws.
If he is engaging in political opportunism, aren't those empty words lies?

 

[DesRicardo]

We can't also forget. Carney was an advisor to Trudeau.

Ponzi scheme Liberal for some reason just keep needing your money and will pay you back some day in 20??.

 

[Butler1000]

Its not a strawman argument.
Trudeau is no longer in power.
You asked about the carbon tax.
They did not lie about the carbon tax as of this moment.
They have suspended it.
If they come to power and reinstate it, I will accept they lied to get votes.
As for conservatives, my question was specific.
Pierre is on record saying that Canada will stay sovereign while repeating Trump rhetoric for everything from gender to straws.
If he is engaging in political opportunism, aren't those empty words lies?

Yes it is.

And Carney has stated he doesn't plan to end it, just change it. Without details. Which means he could make it worse.

Meanwhile Pierre has stated he will end it, and go with tax incentives to Corporations to get better results. I believe him.

What does straws have to do with sovereignty? That is about as strawman as it gets. If Carney agrees with France, does that mean he plans to turn Quebec over to them. Man are you grasping now at your own straws.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

And Carney has stated he doesn't plan to end it, just change it. Without details. Which means he could make it worse.

Details are not provided during a campaign.
That comes later after analysis and discussion.
So there is no lie here.
He has told you what he is going to do, which is to change it.

What does straws have to do with sovereignty? That is about as strawman as it gets.

Straws dont have anything to do with sovereignty.
It has everything to do with Trump's rhetoric which is what am accusing Pierre of either pushing or leveraging for his benefit.
So there is no strawman there.
Pierre just comes across as a Trump lackey here which Canada does not need.

 

[DesRicardo]

Poilievre said he will cut Federal Consulting fees by $10 Billion. He will also cut the red tape (policies) blocking mineral extraction.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6730036

But according to Carney and the Liberals, we need to borrow more.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Carney platform promises $130B in new spending, deficits until 2029

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This is the REAL reason why older Canadians support the Liberals. They want to continue to live beyond their means, so younger people will be on the hook when the creditors come to collect. That's their true face. Everything else is just the mask they wear in public.

 

[Frankfooter]

wrong
this is the problem



40% growth in the size of govt without any benefit to the taxpayer

The Fraser Institute.
Enough said.

The federal government under Trudeau is bigger — but not as big as it used to be
Measured as a percentage of the population, the federal public service is smaller than it was in the mid-1980s

 

[Butler1000]

Details are not provided during a campaign.
That comes later after analysis and discussion.
So there is no lie here.
He has told you what he is going to do, which is to change it.

Straws dont have anything to do with sovereignty.
It has everything to do with Trump's rhetoric which is what am accusing Pierre of either pushing or leveraging for his benefit.
So there is no strawman there.
Pierre just comes across as a Trump lackey here which Canada does not need.

Ah, so it's just an opinion based on "vibes". Got it. No facts needed.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Ah, so it's just an opinion based on "vibes". Got it. No facts needed.

Its facts.
Trump signs an EO against paper straws, Pierre starts talking about straws.
Trump starts talking about DEI, so does Pierre.
The guy is a one trick pony and a glorified sloganeer with no experience.

 

[bver_hunter]

And because he worked for both Goldman Sachs and was Top guy at Brookfield Management . That makes him foremost an ally to Private Equity.

Seriously, he is a card carrying elite. You can't deny this. That is his resume.

Let's get the record straight on Carnie. Yes he initially worked in his rookie days at Goldman Sachs in the 19eighties. He was outstanding at his job and they even transferred him to Tokyo. But he left the company to do his DPhil at the University of Oxford. Goldman Sachs pleaded with him to come back as he was a really smart scholar. He then worked in London, New York and Toronto for Goldman Sachs, making his way up the ladder to be the Managing Director, in charge of Sovereign Risk. His expertise in this field was the sole reason why he was appointed as the Governor of The Bank of Canada by Harper.

Hmmmmmm......... not sure what Pee Pee's experience or credentials makes him a respectful leader to take on that stupid Trump or manage The Canadian economy in these very trying times.
Maybe you can spell it all out!!
But remember that Pee Pee also campaigned for the Far Right Conspiracy Theorist called Ezra Levant who worked for the "Health Benefits" of the Tobacco Industry, and even had evidence that the Quebec Mosque shootings were from a "Rival Mosque"!!

 

[Butler1000]

Let's get the record straight on Carnie. Yes he initially worked in his rookie days at Goldman Sachs in the 19eighties. He was outstanding at his job and they even transferred him to Tokyo. But he left the company to do his DPhil at the University of Oxford. Goldman Sachs pleaded with him to come back as he was a really smart scholar. He then worked in London, New York and Toronto for Goldman Sachs, making his way up the ladder to be the Managing Director, in charge of Sovereign Risk. His expertise in this field was the sole reason why he was appointed as the Governor of The Bank of Canada by Harper.

Hmmmmmm......... not sure what Pee Pee's experience or credentials makes him a respectful leader to take on that stupid Trump or manage The Canadian economy in these very trying times.
Maybe you can spell it all out!!
But remember that Pee Pee also campaigned for the Far Right Conspiracy Theorist called Ezra Levant who worked for the "Health Benefits" of the Tobacco Industry, and even had evidence that the Quebec Mosque shootings were from a "Rival Mosque"!!

Yep, a private equity guy. With the same attitude as the Wall St private equity guys. Just like I said. Thanks for clearly showing the Wall St. Private Equity guys like him. Says a lot for people to consider if he gives a shit about the middle class, lower class.

Because Private Equity guys have a clear track record on that.

 

[Butler1000]

Its facts.
Trump signs an EO against paper straws, Pierre starts talking about straws.
Trump starts talking about DEI, so does Pierre.
The guy is a one trick pony and a glorified sloganeer with no experience.

So straws do matter? I thought you said they didn't?

Carney promised to create govt efficiency. So did Trump. Does that make him "Trump aligned"?

Carney is a elite, an insider, a private equity trained guy. That is who he is. He is far more likely to have been found running around with, working for, agreeing with, and breaking bread with billionaires that PP. They are his friends, and clients. That's his social circle, and that's his politics.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So straws do matter? I thought you said they didn't?

Carney promised to create govt efficiency. So did Trump. Does that make him "Trump aligned"?

Carney is a elite, an insider, a private equity trained guy. That is who he is. He is far more likely to have been found running around with, working for, agreeing with, and breaking bread with billionaires that PP. They are his friends, and clients. That's his social circle, and that's his politics.

I didn't comment on whether or not straws matter.
I said straws have nothing to do with Canadian sovereignty.
Trump's rhetoric matters and Pierre is repeating it to appeal to his base.
That is the only thing that matters in this election.
Ideology.
Trump promising efficiency in government isn't the controversial bit.
Every government promises that.
It is what he does that is the problem.
Carney isn't gutting federal agencies, deregulating, attacking DEI, LGBTQ rights etc or promising to do so.
Pierre seems to be alluding to it whether or not he means it.
Hence Pierre is not trustworthy.
It seems he will say anything for votes, and given his inexperience he cannot be trusted to reliably lead Canada during this time

 

[Butler1000]

I didn't comment on whether or not straws matter.
I said straws have nothing to do with Canadian sovereignty.
Trump's rhetoric matters and Pierre is repeating it to appeal to his base.
That is the only thing that matters in this election.
Ideology.
Trump promising efficiency in government isn't the controversial bit.
Every government promises that.
It is what he does that is the problem.
Carney isn't gutting federal agencies, deregulating, attacking DEI, LGBTQ rights etc or promising to do so.
Pierre seems to be alluding to it whether or not he means it.
Hence Pierre is not trustworthy.
It seems he will say anything for votes, and given his inexperience he cannot be trusted to reliably lead Canada during this time

Neither is Pierre. Go read the Conservative Platform, not listen to Twitter.

 

[DesRicardo]

https://x.com/CanadianOilExec/status/1913785653399097547

 

[DesRicardo]

https://x.com/franco_nomics/status/1913684810889130336

 

[DesRicardo]

https://x.com/Tablesalt13/status/1913955297544065332

 

[DesRicardo]

 

[bver_hunter]

Yep, a private equity guy. With the same attitude as the Wall St private equity guys. Just like I said. Thanks for clearly showing the Wall St. Private Equity guys like him. Says a lot for people to consider if he gives a shit about the middle class, lower class.

Because Private Equity guys have a clear track record on that.

You forgot to mention that Pee Pee's own deputy invested in Brookfield including their offshore subsidiary in Bermuda. Pee Pee also has a stake in companies that invested in Brookfield along with 3 other Conservatives. Yet they are critical of Carney. Desperation times for the Conservatives.
Anyway, you did not respond to what credentials Pee Pee has apart from his time as a campaign staff for Ezra Levant and subsequently, just have a seat in Parliament!!
That is why the majority of Canadians are fully aware of it!!