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Yes. Under Harper I was getting small refunds when doing my taxes. Since Trudeau, I always owe hundreds of dollars to the Federal government and it went up gradually each year.


^^^^ Carney is doing the same as Trudeau. Spending, spending, spending. They will add taxes everywhere.


^^^^ The Liberals proposed a tax on home equity. They are going after everyone for more taxes while giving tons of social benefits to asylum seekers.
And you've been making the same income for that long?
 

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And you've been making the same income for that long?
Adjusted to inflation, I am not earning much more but I am paying more taxes. See, I am paying the middle class singles tax. I am middle class and got no kids. So for this I get taxed to the max.. The Trudeau / Carney Liberals give all the benefits to asylum seekers and those with 3+ kids. I pay taxes but get no benefit from it. When my parents came to the country in the 70s, all they got was $20 for child allowance. Now the Liberals shower ppl with money for having kids and we singles get the bill. Not to mention if you are a renter, you are also screwed. The Trudeau / Carney Liberals mass uncontrolled immigration ensures the prices of houses and rents keep on going up. Those who already bought a home before Trudeau when prices were affordable are now sitting on a gold mine. There are many others in my situation. So you see why I am against wealth redistribution. Like Aristotle said - The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal. Trudeau's policies caused the biggest gap between the rich and poor ever seen. The wealthy will dodge taxes with tax havens like Carney did as chairman of Brookefield. The middle class is the one being squeezed the most and the stats tell all. The middle class is shrinking. Increasing middle class is a sign of a prospering economy.
 

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Adjusted to inflation, I am not earning much more but I am paying more taxes. See, I am paying the middle class singles tax. I am middle class and got no kids. So for this I get taxed to the max.. The Trudeau / Carney Liberals give all the benefits to asylum seekers and those with 3+ kids. I pay taxes but get no benefit from it. When my parents came to the country in the 70s, all they got was $20 for child allowance. Now the Liberals shower ppl with money for having kids and we singles get the bill. Not to mention if you are a renter, you are also screwed. The Trudeau / Carney Liberals mass uncontrolled immigration ensures the prices of houses and rents keep on going up. Those who already bought a home before Trudeau when prices were affordable are now sitting on a gold mine. There are many others in my situation. So you see why I am against wealth redistribution. Like Aristotle said - The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal. Trudeau's policies caused the biggest gap between the rich and poor ever seen. The wealthy will dodge taxes with tax havens like Carney did as chairman of Brookefield. The middle class is the one being squeezed the most and the stats tell all. The middle class is shrinking. Increasing middle class is a sign of a prospering economy.
So you don't support wealth redistribution (aka progressive taxation) but are also upset about the divide between rich and poor?
 

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So you don't support wealth redistribution (aka progressive taxation) but are also upset about the divide between rich and poor?
It depends, Canada is very mismanaged and corrupt. So far under Trudeau, wealth inequality increased to the most ever seen. Norway is the exception. Canada is sitting on a gold mine, they can unleash our oil to fund a lot of these programs and cut taxes in half. And I already told you, I get zero benefit but keep on getting taxed more. The middle class is being squeezed on all sides.
 
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It depends, Canada is very mismanaged and corrupt. So far under Trudeau, wealth inequality increased to the most ever seen. Norway is the exception. Canada is sitting on a gold mine, they can unleash our oil to fund a lot of these programs and cut taxes in half. And I already told you, I get zero benefit but keep on getting taxed more. The middle class is being squeezed on all sides.
Then vote NDP.

The cons are more corrupt and will make wealth division worse.
 
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Then vote NDP.

The cons are more corrupt and will make wealth division worse.
I voted NDP under Jack Layton. I will never support Singh. Boy I miss Jack Layton, Singh is an embarasssment to the NDP. He propped up Trudeau for several years. I vote based on the man leading a party, not based on the party. Perhaps I would vote NDP if it were another leader. I voted for all the parties btw at one time or another, Liberal, NDP, Conservatives, PPC. But between you and I, if given the choice between Carney and Singh, I would go for Singh. I rather see a NDP win then a Liberal win.
 

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Lol Childish name calling is your specialty. I mean look, Pee Pee. What childish name calling is this? The name is Poilievre. Grow up! And the rest of what you wrote is 100% nonsense. Looool In the debate in English, Carney was totaally evasive, did not answer the questions. He has no vision for Canada.
Listen, as I'm not using those childish name calling to attack others on this Board. You can call the politicians what you want, like the righties have been doing so all along with stuff such as "Blackface", "Trudope", "Fidel Trudeau", "Sleepy Joe" etc. But righties like you get their feathers ruffled when we do the same to politicians that you adore!!

You hate the facts and always come up with conspiracy theorists dogma in your arguments. We all know that is all you are good at. Say no more!!

Yet we have seen that Carney has held up really well in the debates in spite of lies by Pee Pee that even Jagmeet Singh called him out in relation to the pipelines!!
That is what he does all the time in Parliament when he exaggerates the allegations against The PM. Thankfully, the majority of the Canadians do not want him in office, and at most he could win with a minority mandate, as he has still not spelled out what is his vision. Just those plastic straws that he is campaigning on!! :p :LOL:🤣
 
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Listen, as I'm not using those childish name calling to attack others on this Board. You can call the politicians what you want, like the righties have been doing so all along with stuff such as "Blackface", "Trudope", "Fidel Trudeau", "Sleepy Joe" etc. But righties like you get their feathers ruffled when we do the same to politicians that you adore!!

You hate the facts and always come up with conspiracy theorists dogma in your arguments. We all know that is all you are good at. Say no more!!

Yet we have seen that Carney has held up really well in the debates in spite of lies by Pee Pee that even Jagmeet Singh called him out in relation to the pipelines!!
That is what he does all the time in Parliament when he exaggerates the allegations against The PM. Thankfully, the majority of the Canadians do not want him in office, and at most he could win with a minority mandate, as he has still not spelled out what is his vision. Just those plastic straws that he is campaigning on!! :p :LOL:🤣
You are still childish. Come on, Pee Pee. How can anyone take you seriously? Carney was evasive and has no vision for Canada. Blanchet called out Carney about the Century Initiative and also how Carney told BC ppl how he will push pipelines but told Quebecors in French that he will not go ahead with pipelines. No answer. Poilievre called out Carney on being Trudeau's economic advisor and their track record, also no answer.

Carney's latest budget has over $130 billion of spending with no plan to balance the budget. Same thing as Trudeau did. How will it be funded? It will be paid by us the ppl working a job. Interest rates will go up and the value of the currency will go down.

The funniest thing is Trudeau was so unpopular that he finally resigned, now they got a new face to this corrupt party. But they have the same agenda, same cabinet that supported Trudeau's policies. Look upon yourself for supporting this nonsense. Einstein said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. No I am not calling anyone names, I am stating facts. Facts do not change because you are offended.

The left specializes in tabloids and conspiracy theories. They pushed the covid agenda for two years. Carney = Trudeau.

Btw about pipelines, read up on Bill C69. Educate yourself before repeating far-left nonsense.

Poilievre has already put out his agenda, in fact Carney copied him like removing the consumer carbon tax. Of course it is a trick, Carney will put it all back when he is elected. As for the plastic straws, best decision ever. I want them back, those cardboard straws are garbage. Also Carney wants to ban all one time plastics. The plastic covering your bread and vegatables, there is a reason why plastic is used. The bread will go rotten fast with a paper bag. Looool And one last thing, even if Carney wins it will be a minority. Take a look at the polls, this country is do divided because there is not a sane centrist option. The election could go either way, Quebec is the wild card and those normally voting NDP are voting Liberals because they got Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 
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You are still childish. Come on, Pee Pee. How can anyone take you seriously? Carney was evasive and has no vision for Canada. Blanchet called out Carney about the Century Initiative and also how Carney told BC ppl how he will push pipelines but told Quebecors in French that he will not ahead with pipelines. No answer. Poilievre called out Carney on being Trudeau's economic advisor and their track record, also no answer.

Carney's latest budget has over $130 billion of spending with no plan to balance the budget. Same thing as Trudeau. How will it be funded? It will be paid by us the ppl working a job. Interest rates will go up and the value of the currency will go down.

The funniest thing is Trudeau was so unpopular now they got a new face to this corrupt party. But it has the same agenda, same cabinet that supported Trudeau's policies. Look upon yourself for supporting this nonsense. Einstein said that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity. No I am not calling anyone names, I am stating facts. Facts do not change because you are offended. You are delusional.

The left specializes in tabloids and conspiracy theories. They pushed the covid agenda for two years. Carney = Trudeau.

Btw about pipelines, read up on Bill C69. Educate yourself before repeating far-left nonsense.
You righties keep on slinging insults that are rife on the extreme right conspiracy theorists websites.
Now Covid is supposed to be a "Conspiracy theory" from retarded individuals. This Pandemic took away the lives of millions around the Globe and could have been much worse if there was business as usual. Jeez, and we saw how it was a disaster in several states in the USA!!

What has Pee Pee, offered besides his love for the plastic straws? He is now promising affordable housing....... something that he voted against it.
He is the real hypocrite, who once campaigned for far Right individuals like Ezra Levants failed bids in Calgary. Pee Pee has a record of moaning and groaning in Parliament with no solutions to any alternatives. But get the record straight:

Carney told the press conference government spending had been growing by around 9% every year and his government would bring that rate of spending growth to around 2% without cutting any transfers to provinces, territories or individuals.
He promised to balance the operating budget over the next three years
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What exactly has Pee Pee campaigned on? We saw stagnation and negative growth for a decade under Harper, that Pee Pee was a part off. Especially when harper inherited a booming economy and screwed it up!! By the way The Liberals built the Trans mountain pipeline that has increased Canadian exports by up to 400%. Hence Pee Pee lied!!

Thankfully the majority of Canadians are waking up to the dangers with Pee Pee at the helm!!
 

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You righties keep on slinging insults that are rife on the extreme right conspiracy theorists websites.
Now Covid is supposed to be a "Conspiracy theory" from retarded individuals. This Pandemic took away the lives of millions around the Globe and could have been much worse if there was business as usual. Jeez, and we saw how it was a disaster in several states in the USA!!

What has Pee Pee, offered besides his love for the plastic straws? He is now promising affordable housing....... something that he voted against it.
He is the real hypocrite, who once campaigned for far Right individuals like Ezra Levants failed bids in Calgary. Pee Pee has a record of moaning and groaning in Parliament with no solutions to any alternatives. But get the record straight:

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What exactly has Pee Pee campaigned on? We saw stagnation and negative growth for a decade under Harper, that Pee Pee was a part off. Especially when harper inherited a booming economy and screwed it up!! By the way The Liberals built the Trans mountain pipeline that has increased Canadian exports by up to 50%. Hence Pee Pee lied!!

Thankfully the majority of Canadians are waking up to the dangers with Pee Pee at the helm!!
First thing I want to set straight, I am no rightie or a leftie. I am neither. I do not fall in that. I am more a minarchist. Second thing, covid was nothing but a scam. They imposed mandates for over two years for a virus that has less then 1% death rate. They shut down businesses, forced vaccines. No one politician lost a dime, not one government business was shut down. Politicians flied freely while the average person could not. This was an example of McCarthyism and it should have never happened. It was unconstitutional. Rights are supposed to be guaranteed, it is not conditional. And the courts have said that Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act was unconstitutional. If it were not for the truckers, we would still be under covid mandates. Another reason why I WILL NEVER vote for the Liberals. I will never forget what those POS SOBs did to all of us.
 

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First thing I want to set straight, I am no rightie or a leftie. I am neither. I do not fall in that. I am more a minarchist. Second thing, covid was nothing but a scam. They imposed mandates for over two years for a virus that has less then 1% death rate. They shut down businesses, forced vaccines. No one politician lost a dime, not one government business was shut down. Politicians flied freely while the average person could not. This was an example of McCarthyism and it should have never happened. It was unconstitutional. Rights are supposed to be guaranteed, it is not conditional. And the courts have said that Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act was unconstitutional. If it were not for the truckers, we would still be under covid mandates. Another reason why I WILL NEVER vote for the Liberals. I will never forget what those POS SOBs did to all of us.
Minarchists is a right wing Libertarianism. So you still are a rightie as your philosophy is in line with the alt right!!
There you go labelling Covid as a "scam"!! The deaths and infection rates were limited thanks to the various Provinces shutting down their economies.
The Conspiracy Theorists railed against the benefits of the vaccines. Especially coming up with the BS about the vaccines causing "autism" and even at one time having chips that would track our every movement...... :rolleyes:

The FreeDumb as hell truckers who held the citizens of Ottawa ransom for weeks on end, then tried to fully disrupt the supply chains at the border. This caused Billions of dollars per day of essential supplies such as medications being stuck at the border. The Emergency Act was rightfully enforced as it benefited the citizens of Ottawa and tore down the barricades at the border. Unlike what is currently occurring South of the border where even the Supreme Court ruled against the application of The 18th Century wartime acts for the deportations as there is no Wartime Emergency there!!

The last time I voted for Conservatives was to elect Harper into office in his first term. What a huuuuuuge mistake on my part. Never again will I vote for those who just want to benefit the elitists and screw up the lives of the middle and lower income Canadians!!
 
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Minarchists is a right wing Libertarianism. So you still are a rightie as your philosophy is in line with the alt right!!
You are very confused. Libertarians are neither left or right. We are for small government, we are for the individual. We are against statism and collectivism. See, Hitler was far-right, Stalin was far-left, but both have one thing in common and that was authoritarianism. We are against that. I often see Conservatives think they are Libertarian when in reality they are not. There are so many fundamental differences, for example I am for legalized prostitution and legalized drugs. Conservatives are 100% against that (Liberals are also against legalized prostitution).

There you go labelling Covid as a "scam"!! The deaths and infection rates were limited thanks to the various Provinces shutting down their economies.
The Conspiracy Theorists railed against the benefits of the vaccines. Especially coming up with the BS about the vaccines causing "autism" and even at one time having chips that would track our every movement...... :rolleyes:
Covid in itself was real, the problem was with the way the government dealt with it. I am also for vaccines, what I am against are mandates. What the government did is an example of McCarthyism. Do you know what that even means? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism <-- Here is a link about it. Read up. That is what the government did.

They shut down businesses and many people lost their livelihoods while the government prospered. Sorry, I do not consider the LCBO essential. The government is not our Grandma, you got parents they restrict your freedom for your own good. That kind of paternalism is very destructive. Look and take a look around you how things are different. People are angrier and meaner. The Charter of Freedom and Rights is not on condition, it is right that is guaranteed and the government stripped of that. All those politicians should be sent to jail for what they did.

The FreeDumb as hell truckers who held the citizens of Ottawa ransom for weeks on end, then tried to fully disrupt the supply chains at the border. This caused Billions of dollars per day of essential supplies such as medications being stuck at the border. The Emergency Act was rightfully enforced as it benefited the citizens of Ottawa and tore down the barricades at the border. Unlike what is currently occurring South of the border where even the Supreme Court ruled against the application of The 18th Century wartime acts for the deportations as there is no Wartime Emergency there!!
Here you go again with name calling. You are so immature, grow up. It is the Freedom Convoy and thanks to them we are free from covid mandates. Trudeau called them all kinds of names, White supremacists, far-right, a small fringe minority. He also claimed that they got most of their funding from the US which later proved to be all false. It is also silly how you keep on comparing what happened in the US to Canada. Sounds like you got Trump Derangement Syndrome, you know it is an actual term and it exists. Furthermore, the supreme court has ruled Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act was Unconstitutional.


^^^^ What the truckers did was reaction to what the government did for two years. You are so concerned with blocking borders, but what about all the businesses that got shut down? What about all the bars and restaurants that only got to operate six months out of 24 months? Who will pay their bills? Oh yess that ridiculous CERB which was the primary cause of very high inflation.

The last time I voted for Conservatives was to elect Harper into office in his first term. What a huuuuuuge mistake on my part. Never again will I vote for those who just want to benefit the elitists and screw up the lives of the middle and lower income Canadians!!
You are right about this, but Trudeau is so much more for the rich. He is 100% an elitist and he is sneaky about it also. He keeps on saying how he is for the middle class when in reality he is an elitist for the rich, his actions prove it (remember never listen to words, look at their actions). Trudeau supports the Century Initiative a corporate lobby group that wants to have 100 million people by 2100. Why? First is to have never ending GDP growth and of course it helps the rich get richer. The result? A housing crisis. High food costs. The Century Initiative classifies itself as a charity, but its donations come from corporations and investors. They work with McKinsey, a consultant firm that tells the rich how to get more richer. Trudeau handed millions of dollars worth of government contracts to McKinsey and it was investigated btw.


^^^^ Canada is at an all time high for wealth inequality the likes we never seen before. Trudeau is squeezing the middle class for every dime with high taxes so he can give all the freebies to asylum seekers. I hear a big proportion of hotels in Niagara Falls has been taken by the Federal Government to house asylum seekers. Ford asked the Trudeau Liberals for millions of dollars to accommodate asylum seekers.

And I just saw CTV news, they said that a lot of Liberal supporters are the 65+ age group. No surprise to me. The ones with haves and the wealthy are most likely to support the Liberals. They usually own a home and very likely their mortgage is paid off. Trudeau's mass uncontrolled immigration ensure that the value of their homes keep on going up, they are sitting on a gold mine. They also benefit from the social programs while the young middle class get stuck with the bill with high taxes. Here are facts. As I said before, facts do not change because you are offended.

And one last thing, even though it is Carney the PM, he is still following the same Trudeau agenda. Trudeau is an MP and is very likely telling Carney what to do. Same agenda (as was seen in their latest budget), same cabinet that supported all of Trudeau's policies, and they got a POS garbage like Mark Wiseman who is an elitist.
 
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Yes. Under Harper I was getting small refunds when doing my taxes. Since Trudeau, I always owe hundreds of dollars to the Federal government and it went up gradually each year.
Wow so you're saying under Harper the CRA were pretty incompetent and since the Liberals took over they've gotten much better at catching tax cheats? Well I was on the fence but this tips the favour towards the Liberals if they can run government departments that much more efficiently.
 
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Wow so you're saying under Harper the CRA were pretty incompetent and since the Liberals took over they've gotten much better at catching tax cheats? Well I was on the fence but this tips the favour towards the Liberals if they can run government departments that much more efficiently.
Lol You got it all twisted. It means that the Trudeau Liberals are squeezing the middle class with more taxes to fund their uncontrolled spending spree. Remember, they racked up a $62 billion deficit. It also means the Liberals are far more inefficient, government bureaucracy ballooned and guess who pays for all of that? People that work a job.
 
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You are very confused. Libertarians are neither left or right. We are for small government, we are for the individual. We are against statism and collectivism. See, Hitler was far-right, Stalin was far-left, but both have one thing in common and that was authoritarianism. We are against that. I often see Conservatives think they are Libertarian when in reality they are not. There are so many fundamental differences, for example I am for legalized prostitution and legalized drugs. Conservatives are 100% against that (Liberals are also against legalized prostitution).



Covid in itself was real, the problem was with the way the government dealt with it. I am also for vaccines, what I am against are mandates. What the government did is an example of McCarthyism. Do you know what that even means? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism <-- Here is a link about it. Read up. That is what the government did.

They shut down businesses and many people lost their livelihoods while the government prospered. Sorry, I do not consider the LCBO essential. The government is not our Grandma, you got parents they restrict your freedom for your own good. That kind of paternalism is very destructive. Look and take a look around you how things are different. People are angrier and meaner. The Charter of Freedom and Rights is not on condition, it is right that is guaranteed and the government stripped of that. All those politicians should be sent to jail for what they did.



Here you go again with name calling. You are so immature, grow up. It is the Freedom Convoy and thanks to them we are free from covid mandates. Trudeau called them all kinds of names, White supremacists, far-right, a small fringe minority. He also claimed that they got most of their funding from the US which later proved to be all false. It is also silly how you keep on comparing what happened in the US to Canada. Sounds like you got Trump Derangement Syndrome, you know it is an actual term and it exists. Furthermore, the supreme court has ruled Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act was Unconstitutional.


^^^^ What the truckers did was reaction to what the government did for two years. You are so concerned with blocking borders, but what about all the businesses that got shut down? What about all the bars and restaurants that only got to operate six months out of 24 months? Who will pay their bills? Oh yess that ridiculous CERB which was the primary cause of very high inflation.



You are right about this, but Trudeau is so much more for the rich. He is 100% an elitist and he is sneaky about it also. He keeps on saying how he is for the middle class when in reality he is an elitist for the rich, his actions prove it (remember never listen to words, look at their actions). Trudeau supports the Century Initiative a corporate lobby group that wants to have 100 million people by 2100. Why? First is to have never ending GDP growth and of course it helps the rich get richer. The result? A housing crisis. High food costs. The Century Initiative classifies itself as a charity, but its donations come from corporations and investors. They work with McKinsey, a consultant firm that tells the rich how to get more richer. Trudeau handed millions of dollars worth of government contracts to McKinsey and it was investigated btw.


^^^^ Canada is at an all time high for wealth inequality the likes we never seen before. Trudeau is squeezing the middle class for every dime with high taxes so he can give all the freebies to asylum seekers. I hear a big proportion of hotels in Niagara Falls has been taken by the Federal Government to house asylum seekers. Ford asked the Trudeau Liberals for millions of dollars to accommodate asylum seekers.

And I just saw CTV news, they said that a lot of Liberal supporters are the 65+ age group. No surprise to me. The ones with haves and the wealthy are most likely to support the Liberals. They usually own a home and very likely their mortgage is paid off. Trudeau's mass uncontrolled immigration ensure that the value of their homes keep on going up, they are sitting on a gold mine. They also benefit from the social programs while the young middle class get stuck with the bill with high taxes. Here are facts. As I said before, facts do not change because you are offended.

And one last thing, even though it is Carney the PM, he is still following the same Trudeau agenda. Trudeau is an MP and is very likely telling Carney what to do. Same agenda (as was seen in their latest budget), same cabinet that supported all of Trudeau's policies, and they got a POS garbage like Mark Wiseman who is an elitist.
Wow, I haven't heard anyone argue that the freedumb convoy was a success here in a long time.

And how is libertarianism supposed to fix the divide between rich and poor?
 

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Minarchists is a right wing Libertarianism. So you still are a rightie as your philosophy is in line with the alt right!!
Lots of Libertarians think they are very special boys and are beyond right and left.
(Yes, this is mostly self-delusion.)

North American libertarians are almost exclusively right wing, of course.
Most forms of minarchism are also quite right-wing in practice.
 

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Wow, I haven't heard anyone argue that the freedumb convoy was a success here in a long time.
Was this you? IMG_4652.jpeg Here is an outdoor seatbelt for you. And this is a Liberal kit for you IMG_4667.jpeg

And how is libertarianism supposed to fix the divide between rich and poor?
It is not supposed to. Aristotle said that the worst kind of inequality is to make unequal things equal. But you want the government to take care of you right? FB_IMG_1609003327130.jpg

And here is the Liberal record and you want another four years of this nonsense IMG_4664.jpeg and this IMG_4668.jpeg
 
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