Russell Brand charged with rape and sexual assault

[Skoob]

It really is not that difficult. It’s an issue that’s rooted in bigotry under the guise of protecting the children. These guys are hypocrites by scapegoating the marginalized while defending actual sex offenders with actual allegations against minors like Trump.

You are correct...it's really not that difficult to not allow nudity on public streets regardless if it's gay or straight people. The streets are public. That means kids are allowed to be there. It's not a private event in a private space.

So rather than banning people based on their age in public areas, how about keeping it in your pants? Is that too difficult?

No one says public events need to have nudity. Has nothing to do with anything other than exhibitionism. You want nudity? Have it in a private space.

Don't make this political.

 

[Skoob]

Well damn.
Not the usual tenor of things on this board.

My hat is off to you.

Expedited removal has a different process and does not require the same due process.
Everyone should know that especially those who supported Obama...he deported more people than anyone and a significant portion of those were under the expedited process.

So no, it's not a "Trump thing". Obama was actually known as the "Deporter In Chief" based on his deportation record.

 

[Skoob]

Legally, it depends entirely on the jurisdiction.

In Canada, for instance, they are the same thing.
In New York they aren't.
Although the definitions now are different than the definitions were in 1995, which played a role in Trump's trial.
What Trump was found liable of would be rape in 2025, it just wasn't legally defined as rape in 1995.

No. You are spreading misinformation again. As of 1983, (Bill C-127) there is no offence of "rape" in Canada. It is now 3-tiered definition of sexual assault.
Throwing around the "rape" term is incorrect when referencing Canadian law.
But who cares about details when we're speaking about laws right?

If Trump had been tried in criminal court, Carroll would have lost. Everyone knows that and you know that as well.
In civil court, the burden of proof is far less. It basically comes down to he said /she said.

So you can't say if this happened in Canada things would be different in terms of the verdict/charge and that things are equivalent because this charge would have been dropped if it had gone to criminal court.

Saying that outside of New York, he would have been convicted of rape is pure fantasy.

 

[Valcazar]

Expedited removal has a different process and does not require the same due process.
Everyone should know that especially those who supported Obama...he deported more people than anyone and a significant portion of those were under the expedited process.

So no, it's not a "Trump thing". Obama was actually known as the "Deporter In Chief" based on his deportation record.

pats Skoob on the head

I see you've learned your talking points.

But you know very well we aren't talking about expedited removal.
(Which has its own problems, both with how Obama used it and how Trump expanded it.)

 

[Valcazar]

No. You are spreading misinformation again. As of 1983, (Bill C-127) there is no offence of "rape" in Canada. It is now 3-tiered definition of sexual assault.
Throwing around the "rape" term is incorrect when referencing Canadian law.
But who cares about details when we're speaking about laws right?

You certainly don't.

I've been pointing out there is no crime of rape in Canada for ages here.

So yes, there is no legal difference in Canada, there is only the crime of sexual assault.
Which is what I just said.

Whether or not "sexual assault" and "rape" refer to different things in the law is entirely a jurisdictional question.

If Trump had been tried in criminal court, Carroll would have lost. Everyone knows that and you know that as well.

And?
That's entirely irrelevant to the question that was asked.
It's also entirely irrelevant as to whether or not he did it, as you know.

In civil court, the burden of proof is far less.

No one has said otherwise.

So you can't say if this happened in Canada things would be different in terms of the verdict/charge and that things are equivalent because this charge would have been dropped if it had gone to criminal court.

I never said a fucking thing about him being tried in Canada, why are you even bringing this up?

Saying that outside of New York, he would have been convicted of rape is pure fantasy.

I didn't say that either.
I said that the actions he was found liable for in New York would be considered rape in New York now.
This is legally accurate.
I know that upsets you, but the law is the law.

 

[Skoob]

pats Skoob on the head

I see you've learned your talking points.

But you know very well we aren't talking about expedited removal.
(Which has its own problems, both with how Obama used it and how Trump expanded it.)

We are indeed talking about expedited removal and why the process is different.

But nice try distracting away from that point.

btw Are you still shocked that your hero Obama deported more people than anyone else? That inconvenient truth doesn't quite jive with the narrative you're trying to peddle does it?

 

[Skoob]

You certainly don't.

I've been pointing out there is no crime of rape in Canada for ages here.

So yes, there is no legal difference in Canada, there is only the crime of sexual assault.
Which is what I just said.

Whether or not "sexual assault" and "rape" refer to different things in the law is entirely a jurisdictional question.



And?
That's entirely irrelevant to the question that was asked.
It's also entirely irrelevant as to whether or not he did it, as you know.



No one has said otherwise.



I never said a fucking thing about him being tried in Canada, why are you even bringing this up?



I didn't say that either.
I said that the actions he was found liable for in New York would be considered rape in New York now.
This is legally accurate.
I know that upsets you, but the law is the law.

More examples of you dancing around the points you have desperately tried to make then dancing some more when being called out.

Give it up already, you're not that good at hiding your tracks.

Apparently you believe the "law is the law" except for when it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[chloe_Rose_Art]

No WAYYYY This can't be real.. He's so love & light :'(

 

[Valcazar]

We are indeed talking about expedited removal and why the process is different.

You know we aren't.
We are talking about the Aliens Enemies Act.

This is very important to you, so I know you wouldn't make such an obvious mistake.

btw Are you still shocked that your hero Obama deported more people than anyone else? That inconvenient truth doesn't quite jive with the narrative you're trying to peddle does it?

Why the fuck would you think Obama was a hero of mine?
What a weird idea.

Also, we've discussed this.
Trump being incompetent about deportation and protecting the border doesn't seem to be something you would want to brag about.

 

[Valcazar]

More examples of you dancing around the points you have desperately tried to make then dancing some more when being called out.

Give it up already, you're not that good at hiding your tracks.

Apparently you believe the "law is the law" except for when it doesn't fit your narrative.

You really hate actually looking at the laws and their context, don't you?
Why so fragile?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

I bought another 100 shares of Boeing at $155 USD/share

Made another $2K

 

[Skoob]

You know we aren't.
We are talking about the Aliens Enemies Act.

This is very important to you, so I know you wouldn't make such an obvious mistake.



Why the fuck would you think Obama was a hero of mine?
What a weird idea.

Also, we've discussed this.
Trump being incompetent about deportation and protecting the border doesn't seem to be something you would want to brag about.

I never mentioned the Aliens Enemies Act. The discussion was about due process for those being deported.

Your penchant for demonizing Trump comes with you conveniently omitting the facts that Obama in some ways was worse. Hence, Obama must be your moral compass otherwise you would state the facts.

 

[Skoob]

You really hate actually looking at the laws and their context, don't you?
Why so fragile?

Says the guy who twists & turns reality to suit his narrative. Who's the fragile one?

 

[Valcazar]

I never mentioned the Aliens Enemies Act. The discussion was about due process for those being deported.

Of which a major part of what's going on and which the public are objecting to is the abuse of the Alien Enemies Act, but you know that.

Your penchant for demonizing Trump comes with you conveniently omitting the facts that Obama in some ways was worse. Hence, Obama must be your moral compass otherwise you would state the facts.

You're very bad at logic.
Obama has nothing in particular to do with this conversation.
He also wasn't abusing the powers of the office the way Trump is.

 

[Skoob]

Of which a major part of what's going on and which the public are objecting to is the abuse of the Alien Enemies Act, but you know that.




You're very bad at logic.
Obama has nothing in particular to do with this conversation.
He also wasn't abusing the powers of the office the way Trump is.

If you equate Trump deporting illegal immigrants via the expedited process as abuse of power, then Obama was even more abusive.

If you knew anything about the expedited process you would know it is not an abuse of power. You can't have it both ways.

Just because you hate Trump and think Obama was a good guy, doesn't mean you can bend the facts to suit your narrative.

Obama was the Deporter In Chief. By your measure, Trump is not as bad or as abusive as Obama was.

Why don't you explain it to us so we can witness your hypocrisy some more?

 

[Valcazar]

If you equate Trump deporting illegal immigrants via the expedited process as abuse of power, then Obama was even more abusive.

If you knew anything about the expedited process you would know it is not an abuse of power. You can't have it both ways.[/QUOTE]

But I haven't.

And even then, Trump's expanded use of that process could be considered an abuse of power.
I actually don't think it is, since in the case of the expedited process (in and of itself) he has gone up to the limits of the law as written.

He's abusing power in all kinds of other ways, of course.
And I fully expect him to go beyond the limits of the expedited process.
The Alien Enemies Act is what he has been using to do the most egregious abuses, of course, which is why it has been the focus of pushback by the courts and the public.

Just because you hate Trump and think Obama was a good guy, doesn't mean you can bend the facts to suit your narrative.

Not bending any facts.
I know you learned a bunch of talking points that you expect to "win" the argument, but you have to actually be countering claims I am making for that to work.
So sorry to disappoint you.

Obama was the Deporter In Chief. By your measure, Trump is not as bad or as abusive as Obama was.

Why don't you explain it to us so we can witness your hypocrisy some more?

I have.
Trump is, especially in the use of the Alien Enemies Act, abusing power, defying courts, and violating due process in a number of ways.

As for "By your measure, Trump is not as bad or as abusive as Obama was." -- what measure do you think I'm using?

You seem to think I am using "number of people deported", but that would be nonsensical and silly as a measure of abuse, so why would I do that?

 

[Skoob]

If you knew anything about the expedited process you would know it is not an abuse of power. You can't have it both ways.

But I haven't.

And even then, Trump's expanded use of that process could be considered an abuse of power.
I actually don't think it is, since in the case of the expedited process (in and of itself) he has gone up to the limits of the law as written.

He's abusing power in all kinds of other ways, of course.
And I fully expect him to go beyond the limits of the expedited process.
The Alien Enemies Act is what he has been using to do the most egregious abuses, of course, which is why it has been the focus of pushback by the courts and the public.



Not bending any facts.
I know you learned a bunch of talking points that you expect to "win" the argument, but you have to actually be countering claims I am making for that to work.
So sorry to disappoint you.



I have.
Trump is, especially in the use of the Alien Enemies Act, abusing power, defying courts, and violating due process in a number of ways.

As for "By your measure, Trump is not as bad or as abusive as Obama was." -- what measure do you think I'm using?

You seem to think I am using "number of people deported", but that would be nonsensical and silly as a measure of abuse, so why would I do that?
[/QUOTE]
I'm the one who mentioned the expedited process when the notion of "no due process" was mentioned.

I added that Obama used that process even more than Trump so to clear up any hypocrisy Obama-lovers might have.

He's not abusing power. He's doing what he said he would do if elected. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean he's abusing power.

And if you don't like it well that's really too bad and you're going to have a long 4 years.