Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data

[Frankfooter]

$560 is a joke! I paid more than more than that with the NG coming into my house and to top it off, I go the pleasure of being taxed on that BS too. Add in what I paid at the pumps, taxed again after they add it to your bill and the cost of goods that have been passed onto me from retailers, once again, taxed with the GST and Canadians are getting fucked with an absolute scam.

Tell me why we sell so much coal to China, that puts out in two weeks, more than Canada puts out in a year in carbon emissions?

Carney is a charlatan and it's amazing that they can sell a lie to people, gaslighting them into thinking that if they don't do it, they're against the environment. Even a minimal amount of research should make one scratch their head and think something just doesn't add up. The Green Slush fund scandal should have made even the most devout liberal think twice about this and the fact that we are being taxed, with no measurable impact to the environment, while the environment minister, Guilbeault and his company and those affiliated, have seen their fortunes rise.

As the saying goes, "The math ain't mathin!"

China's emissions are going down, they are putting in a ton of renewables.

Why are people against cheaper, cleaner power that takes income away from Putin and Saudi Arabia?

By the way, climate change appears to be accelerating and we could hit 2ºC by the end of the decade.
wee hoo

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925100933194580222

 

[bazokajoe]

WHOA bombshell from the Sun, guess you need to vote for The Greens next time if climate policy is this important to you

LMAO. It's not. Climate change is a scam.

 

[Butler1000]

Yup, Trumputin will be the downfall of the US to the delight of Putin, China and North Korea. The puppet masters are winning.

Um, do you really think they are any better?

Russia has a serious demographic issue(their prime age workforce is drafted or fled the nation) , like many other nations. A serious education issue(they have to hire outside people now to monitor their nukes because all the qualified people are retiring), and in the coming days a leadership problem once Putin dies. They economy is already weak. Mostly due to an inability, beyond petroleum, to exploit vast natural resources.

China has factories closing, the Silk Road initiative is failing, a banking and real estate crisis brewing, serious trade problems coming, and all the internal unrest that will occur. The prospect if civil unrest imo is higher there.

North Korea? Not even on the radar. Their own people will undergo a famine if China falters. They will have too many internal problems to cause external ones. They Dont call it the Hermit Kingdom without reason.

Trump is actually going to accelerate the world wide recession and make it worse. But it was coming either way.

 

[squeezer]

Trump is actually going to accelerate the world wide recession and make it worse. But it was coming either way.

Nope, this would not have been happening if Kamala had won. There would be no chaos among allied world leaders because the Dems wouldn't have thrown gasoline into the mix as Trumputin is doing. YOU are wrong here.

 

[boobtoucher]

So Y'all, today's lesson in reading comprehension and media literacy: When a URL has the word OPINION in it, as this one does:

LILLEY: Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data

Inflation dropped. Why? The consumer carbon tax was eliminated -- despite the Liberals claiming the levy wasn't making life more expensive.

torontosun.com

It means that that the article is not factual. It contains the opinion of the author. It may be based in fact, but the interpretation presented by the author is not true enough to be considered news.

Lilley does not present the stats can numbers. He says:

“The price decrease in April was mainly driven by the removal of the consumer carbon price,” Statistics Canada announced Tuesday morning, while reporting inflation fell from 2.3% in March to 1.7% in April.

The agency noted that the fall in crude oil prices also played a role but put most of the inflation drop on the carbon tax rate being reduced to zero.

So, inflation fell 0.6%. THE AGENCY said that crude oil also fell (<-this is fact)
BRIAN LILLEY says that "they put most of the drop on the carbon tax". What is "most" 50.1%? So 0.31% could have been carbon tax, and 0.29% could have been oil price. (<This is opinion, obscuring the fact).

And, also in the Lilley article, HE STATES that food prices increased after the reduction in the carbon tax. So, which is it? Seem that Mr. Lilley's opinion is that 2 opposite things can be true, as long as it makes his readers angry.

 

[onthebottom]

China's emissions are going down, they are putting in a ton of renewables.

Why are people against cheaper, cleaner power that takes income away from Putin and Saudi Arabia?

By the way, climate change appears to be accelerating and we could hit 2ºC by the end of the decade.
wee hoo

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925100933194580222

Nope

China is also responsible for 95% of coal plants in the world

 

[Butler1000]

Nope, this would not have been happening if Kamala had won. There would be no chaos among allied world leaders because the Dems wouldn't have thrown gasoline into the mix as Trumputin is doing. YOU are wrong here.

You really haven't been paying attention have you? All these problems having been brewing for a long time. 11 months real estate inventory in Florida? 17 months I just saw in Galveston Texas? Inflation? Stagflation? These were all reasons sited for the loss. The dems have no say in internal Russian, China, Japan, South Korea demographic problems, let alone their own. Wars would have been the same. Price gouging, rent gouging, all continued.

Biden and his inner circle was the main reason for the loss. His choice to lie to the American people about his various health problems, then instead of an open primary prop up a shitty candidate, who no one wanted, caused enough voters to stay home or switch votes to give them the win. And until you accept that the Amerucan people will continue to elect shitty people.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Case & point...you think getting back $560 comes anywhere near the amount of money you paid for everything that went up due to the carbon tax????

So how much did we pay?
What was the impact of the carbon tax on "everything" for you?
I have asked this numerous times but I am yet to get a straight answer.
The truth is no one except grasping at straws conservatives care about the carbon tax.

 

[squeezer]

You really haven't been paying attention have you? All these problems having been brewing for a long time. 11 months real estate inventory in Florida? 17 months I just saw in Galveston Texas? Inflation? Stagflation? These were all reasons sited for the loss. The dems have no say in internal Russian, China, Japan, South Korea demographic problems, let alone their own. Wars would have been the same. Price gouging, rent gouging, all continued.

Biden and his inner circle was the main reason for the loss. His choice to lie to the American people about his various health problems, then instead of an open primary prop up a shitty candidate, who no one wanted, caused enough voters to stay home or switch votes to give them the win. And until you accept that the Amerucan people will continue to elect shitty people.

I never claimed that Democrats had any control over the internal affairs of countries like Russia, China, or Japan, aside from the likelihood that a Democratic administration would have pursued more coordinated and robust sanctions, particularly in response to Russian aggression.

What’s truly driving instability, both at home and abroad, is the reckless approach of attacking long-standing allies, imposing broad and ill-conceived tariffs, and undermining diplomatic norms. Publicly insulting political leaders from the Oval Office, lying to the American people, and slashing vital programs that support the most vulnerable, while enriching oneself, wealthy donors, and close associates, isn’t leadership. It’s a blueprint for national decline.

 

[onthebottom]

What benefit have Canadians seen from a Carbon tax?

 

[boobtoucher]

What benefit have Canadians seen from a Carbon tax?

I got $1,200 a year that I'm not getting now.

Carbon emissions per capita have fallen

Until Uncle Doug cancelled the cap and trade system, it put tonnes of money into public services.

 

[Frankfooter]

Nope

China is also responsible for 95% of coal plants in the world

Yes

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1922789438582661436

 

[Leimonis]

… And until you accept that the Amerucan people will continue to elect shitty people.

It feels like Americans will in any event continue to elect shitty people. Trump sets the bar so low that any POS can seemingly get elected now and it will look okay. There is no dignity and no shame anymore

 

[Skoob]

Dude what is with your lack of math. GEEZ. The inflation rate dropped by 0.6%...if ALL of that was ascribed to the carbon tax, take 560/0.6x100= 93,333. SO the $560 compensates you for the inflationary impact of the carbon tax on 93,333 worth of spending. To no be fully compensated you would have to spend more then 93K and if you spend less then 93K then you are ahead. get it? 🫡

That looks like Liberal math contributing to how the budget was supposed to balance itself. It didn't.

Everything went up, not just fossil fuels. Everything that relies on fossil fuels. Everything went up more than the rate of inflation.

If it actually worked to fix the climate, it would still be in place. It didn't.

Do you know why?

 

[Skoob]

Those who depend on Ad Hominins usually recognize what the person is saying it true, they just don't like it.

Of course this from the guy who really really depends on random twitter posters from nobodies for his argument 'references'.

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It's ironic that Frankfooter criticizes others' sources, when he has repeatedly used sources such as Dean Blundell, a homophobe who was fired for that reason.

As you can see, Frankfooter hasn't quite sorted out his hypocrisy.

 

[Skoob]

So how much did we pay?
What was the impact of the carbon tax on "everything" for you?
I have asked this numerous times but I am yet to get a straight answer.
The truth is no one except grasping at straws conservatives care about the carbon tax.

You must be pretending to be stupid because it appears that you believe the cost of most things has not gone up since the Liberals introduced the carbon tax 6 years ago.

One only has to actually shop for items such as electronics, food, building supplies, etc etc to see that most items went up beyond the rate of inflation after the carbon tax was introduced. Only morons couldn't come to that conclusion.

The Liberals couldn't explain how the carbon tax collected actually contributed to fixing the climate mathematically but you accepted it regardless. And now you are asking for "straight answers"? hahaha that's funny!

 

[onthebottom]

I got $1,200 a year that I'm not getting now.

Carbon emissions per capita have fallen

Until Uncle Doug cancelled the cap and trade system, it put tonnes of money into public services.

these are totals but it seems pretty impotent as an emission strategy

 

[Frankfooter]

these are totals but it seems pretty impotent as an emission strategy View attachment 441699

At least its not just continuing the increase it was up until about 2000.
I mean, its not like its important to be concerned about possible extinction events in 60 years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1924791902877958295

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You must be pretending to be stupid because it appears that you believe the cost of most things has not gone up since the Liberals introduced the carbon tax 6 years ago.

I asked, what was the impact?
I did not say there was no impact at all.
I asked what specific number?
For example, did you spend 200 dollars on groceries before carbon tax and 250 the next month with the carbon tax?
What was the actual impact to you?
None of you "axe the tax" aficionados have been able to articulate this little detail.
You keep repeating slogans and talking points.
Canadians saw through this and this is why your leader got the shellacking that he did.

 

[nottyboi]

One question, Mr. Logic, but this name will be changed to Monsieur Délirant if and when you answer it incorrectly.

Since the carbon tax was removed, has there been deflation on food(groceries/restaurants), in air travel, in ALL products you buy, from toilet paper, shaving gel, soap(laundry and body wash)?

<-------- Squeezie's biggest fan!!

Maybe he will buy a blowup doll since its got no carbpn tax

Well I never saved my receipts. But the only thing that has gone down in price is gas, nothing else.
I went grocery shopping yesterday and prices are still the same.
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$560 is a joke! I paid more than more than that with the NG coming into my house and to top it off, I go the pleasure of being taxed on that BS too. Add in what I paid at the pumps, taxed again after they add it to your bill and the cost of goods that have been passed onto me from retailers, once again, taxed with the GST and Canadians are getting fucked with an absolute scam.

Tell me why we sell so much coal to China, that puts out in two weeks, more than Canada puts out in a year in carbon emissions?

Carney is a charlatan and it's amazing that they can sell a lie to people, gaslighting them into thinking that if they don't do it, they're against the environment. Even a minimal amount of research should make one scratch their head and think something just doesn't add up. The Green Slush fund scandal should have made even the most devout liberal think twice about this and the fact that we are being taxed, with no measurable impact to the environment, while the environment minister, Guilbeault and his company and those affiliated, have seen their fortunes rise.

As the saying goes, "The math ain't mathin!"

On a percapita basis we put out far more CO2 then the Chinese, and you are the poster child for that fact. So the carbon tax is $152 per 1000 cubic meters, So you are telling me you used more then 3680 cubic meters of gas? So you must have a massive house or outdoor heated pool, or you are clueless.