US appeals court rules wide swath of Trump's tariffs illegal

[Frankfooter]

I get a kick out of it when they pretend to ask a partisan question but can't refrain from the requisite slander...It's second nature at this point.

Claim - other people will resort to slander

Carney sounds really good to be honest but like you say he's not getting a helluva lot done. He's staying away from the ultra progressive woke stuff that Justin embraced so far but you have to figure at some point he's going to regress to the mean . Although I hope he doesn't.

Trump has all the cards here unfortunately...Soon Carney will have to go down to Washington and get put through the sideshow and capitulate...It's inevitable. Carney and crew will spin it the best they can though.

Followed by inability to refrain from slander

Again, why should Carney rush to act while 30 countries have stopped postal service and the courts said the tariffs are illegal?
Wait it out.
TACO

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961546076155969718

 

[silentkisser]

The water retention is bigger than you think.

Hey, it could be. I've seen several videos from people who claim to be hospice care nurses or doctors diagnosing symptoms on Trump. Some say congestive heart failure to some kidney ailment. But, while RFK Jr. says he can identify kids with "mitochondrial challenges" just by looking at them....I would prefer an actual doctor who has physically examined the patient and run tests.

Now, the righties who were (rightfully) concerned about Biden's health don't seem anywhere as concerned about Trump's. But, that isn't really shocking because as we all know they tend to be worried about the debt and deficits when a Dem is in power, but are totally unbothered by that sort of thing when the GOP controls the White House...

 

[The Oracle]

Claim - other people will resort to slander



Followed by inability to refrain from slander

Even for you that's a reach..Try harder.

 

[Frankfooter]

Hey, it could be. I've seen several videos from people who claim to be hospice care nurses or doctors diagnosing symptoms on Trump. Some say congestive heart failure to some kidney ailment. But, while RFK Jr. says he can identify kids with "mitochondrial challenges" just by looking at them....I would prefer an actual doctor who has physically examined the patient and run tests.

Now, the righties who were (rightfully) concerned about Biden's health don't seem anywhere as concerned about Trump's. But, that isn't really shocking because as we all know they tend to be worried about the debt and deficits when a Dem is in power, but are totally unbothered by that sort of thing when the GOP controls the White House...

He's been looking worse and worse each week but it looks like Vance doesn't have to take over just yet.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1961795142081257714

 

[The Oracle]

Really? Didn't he go in there saying it was a ceasefire or nothing? And then....nothing? Trump talks a big game, pretends he's a masterful dealmaker, but when push comes to shove, he's about as reliable as a chocolate tea pot...He melts under the heat.

''Didn't he go in there saying it was a ceasefire or nothing? And then....nothing?''..Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Your argument should be that Trump said he could end this war in a day and as such has been a failure. Trump has underestimated Putin's utter stubbornness and resolve...I think he gets its now though and so do the rest of NATO.

So let me ask you this..If Kamala Harris is the president how do you think this would play out?

 

[silentkisser]

''Didn't he go in there saying it was a ceasefire or nothing? And then....nothing?''..Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Your argument should be that Trump said he could end this war in a day and as such has been a failure. Trump has underestimated Putin's utter stubbornness and resolve...I think he gets its now though and so do the rest of NATO.

So let me ask you this..If Kamala Harris is the president how do you think this would play out?

OK, let me be clear, Trump went into that meeting saying he was going to get a ceasefire. He got nothing. He did say he could end the war in a day. And, just like how he said he would deal with inflation....nadda. As for NATO, they know Putin is stubborn. They've been dealing with him as an adversary for decades. Trump thinks Putin likes him....and, maybe he does.

So, to be clear, I'm not sure if Harris would hold a summit with Putin on US soil and roll out the red carpet for him. But, I also think she would be forceful. Would the end result be any different? Probably not. But, I also know she likely wouldn't throw Ukraine under the bus and maybe force them to give up territory like Trump likely will.

 

[The Oracle]

Hey, it could be. I've seen several videos from people who claim to be hospice care nurses or doctors diagnosing symptoms on Trump. Some say congestive heart failure to some kidney ailment. But, while RFK Jr. says he can identify kids with "mitochondrial challenges" just by looking at them....I would prefer an actual doctor who has physically examined the patient and run tests.

Now, the righties who were (rightfully) concerned about Biden's health don't seem anywhere as concerned about Trump's. But, that isn't really shocking because as we all know they tend to be worried about the debt and deficits when a Dem is in power, but are totally unbothered by that sort of thing when the GOP controls the White House...

Here's the way it goes..When Biden was in they..The Dems lied through their teeth about his state of mental acuity. So nowadays they have no leg to stand on when discussing Trump's health. Zero credibility. If they would have pulled him a few years before yes but they didn't..I don't think we will ever know who was really running the Whitehouse during those years..Ah the power of the autopen.

Having said that I can't see Trump stepping aside either...Sometimes I see him doing interviews and I think this is close to the same guy and then other times he's visibly slower. He tackles way too much for his age...Hopefully he defers to Vance at some point but that's not in his nature.

 

[Frankfooter]

Here's the way it goes..When Biden was in they..The Dems lied through their teeth about his state of mental acuity. So nowadays they have no leg to stand on when discussing Trump's health. Zero credibility. If they would have pulled him a few years before yes but they didn't..I don't think we will ever know who was really running the Whitehouse during those years..Ah the power of the autopen.

Having said that I can't see Trump stepping aside either...Sometimes I see him doing interviews and I think this is close to the same guy and then other times he's visibly slower. He tackles way too much for his age...Hopefully he defers to Vance at some point but that's not in his nature.

Does that mean that if trump is shown to have dementia you will admit you have no credibility?

And sure, don't trust the dem establishment that hid Biden's dementia anymore than you should trust the trump establishment.

 

[The Oracle]

OK, let me be clear, Trump went into that meeting saying he was going to get a ceasefire.

What he actually said...This is reasonable.

 

[The Oracle]

So, to be clear, I'm not sure if Harris would hold a summit with Putin on US soil and roll out the red carpet for him. But, I also think she would be forceful. Would the end result be any different? Probably not. But, I also know she likely wouldn't throw Ukraine under the bus and maybe force them to give up territory like Trump likely will.

Harris wouldn't even do the JRE during the election when she was invited...Her team didn't want her doing anything longer than a half hour or around there..She can't think on her feet outside of a script. You think Putin would respect her?...Not to mention a female of color dealing with a older Russian male,lol..

Now an Obama Putin meeting would be something to behold. Obama was a great statesman..Clinton was pretty good as well. Almost pulled off the Camp David Summit. Almost...

 

[Frankfooter]

Harris wouldn't even do the JRE during the election when she was invited...Her team didn't want her doing anything longer than a half hour or around there..She can't think on her feet outside of a script. You think Putin would respect her?...Not to mention a female of color dealing with a older Russian male,lol..

Now an Obama Putin meeting would be something to behold. Obama was a great statesman..Clinton was pretty good as well. Almost pulled off the Camp David Summit. Almost...

Obama at least wouldn't invite wanted war criminals to the US for meetings.

 

[bver_hunter]

It's almost like you don't read your own posts, lol.

You are really Trump's cult follower!!

 

[bver_hunter]

Of course the Supreme court will rule in his favor...That's a foregone conclusion.

You're not a believer in super Carney anymore?..Where's your faith man?

What has Carney got to do with this ruling?
You are still bawling out your tears since Pee pee got his ass spanked in the last elections!!

 

[The Oracle]

You are still bawling out your tears since Pee pee got his ass spanked in the last elections!!

After all this time you're still calling people names, lol..It's crazy how feral you are.

 

[bver_hunter]

''Didn't he go in there saying it was a ceasefire or nothing? And then....nothing?''..Not sure what you're trying to say here.

Your argument should be that Trump said he could end this war in a day and as such has been a failure. Trump has underestimated Putin's utter stubbornness and resolve...I think he gets its now though and so do the rest of NATO.

So let me ask you this..If Kamala Harris is the president how do you think this would play out?

Now when Biden left office there was a ceasefire between Israel and Gaza. Now look at the mess in Gaza, and it almost got Iran involved in the whole conflict as well!!
The Russia / Ukraine War is getting worse, and Putin has won his meeting with Trump. He got a RED CARPET Welcome in the USA, and Trump prior to this meeting promised that he will hit Russia with severe sanctions / tariffs if there is no deal. All Trump has done is to delay these tariffs with no REAL DEAL:. Monday is supposed to be when these new sanctions kick in. Lets see if Trump has the balls to take any measures. But remember that Harris did not come up with that stupid assertion that she would end the war in 24 hours.............can you comment on why Trump has not kept that promise?

 

[bver_hunter]

After all this time you're still calling people names, lol..It's crazy how feral you are.

You are the one that came up with some despicable statements as to put heads in asses. You should gaze in the mirror and accuse that guy who looks you in the face and then accuse him next time!!
By the way what names have I called anyone on this Board, unless they were the first ones to start it? Of course you wont have any proof of it!!

 

[richaceg]

Let me ask you, in all seriousness, what do you think ANY PM could have accomplished in the past four months? You understand that negotiating with Trump is problably like debating @richaceg, they constantly move the goalposts and bring up unverified data based on the feels....And, while you might think Trump has "all the cards," the reality is a bit more nuanced. And, I don't think Carney will capitulate. Will we give up some things? Possibly. But, will we also get somethings? Likely.

And, the reality is that things in the US could change drastically within the next month. Say the Supreme Court rules Trump's tariffs are illegal...what does that do with negotiations? On some level, it makes a lot of sense to wait the old fuck out. If the reports are true about his health (and I am very skeptical about this), he could be out of office soon.

As your arguments all based on your assumptions what willll happen but has not happened yet? Lol

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

The Trump Supreme Court may defer any ruling since the Court of Appeals sent it back to the lower court. The Supremes may wait for final action by the lower court. This could take a year or more, and drag it out beyond the midterms.

Most legal experts I have heard think that if the Supremes follow the law, it is a no-brainer that the tariffs are illegal. The national emergency required seems to be that, pre-Trump, the US economy was the "envy of the world" for the last few years. The emergency is that Trump has to pretend we are in dire straits with the trade balances (free trade that has kept costs down for US consumers) since he can only win support if he convinces folks how bad it is, and only King Trump can solve it.

The opposite is true. I just ordered something that is a better-reviewed choice made in China than in the US, and I have to pay a 55% tariff (a combination of 3 tariffs). It will take many weeks to process and send. The cost was $177, but I have to pay $311 (including the Merchandise Processing fee) plus state sales tax.

It is a ham radio antenna (not for pigs but amateur radio), tariff class 8529.10.00 (not TV or Radar, but other). It combines the IEEPA 20% China with the Reciprocal 10% with the Section 301 25%.

 

[squeezer]

This is not about PP or Cons vs. Libs or even just dealing with Trump( although he's middle or lower trier compared to his peers on that ). Can you dig your head out your partisan sand box long enough to be objective? He as done nothing so far with an out of control public service, improve relations with China or India, or even Alberta.
Try cutting non-essential spending or at least keeping increases down to a dull roar. Something , anything.
The only thing that's positive is he is quite a bit better than the last guy.

You’re giving Carney a “so far” grade when he’s barely had time to unpack his suitcases. The public service bloat didn’t happen overnight, and no PM, blue, red, or Martian green, is slashing it in year one without tanking their own mandate. Same with China and India: both are prickly as hell, and it’s not like Poilievre would stroll in with a Tim’s double-double chomping on an apple and suddenly reset trade relations.

Ok Alberta, hmmmmm, every PM gets painted as the villain in Calgary, unless they’re cutting oil royalties themselves. Tell me I'm wrong so I can assess your partisanship further.

Cutting non-essential spending sounds great on paper, but the second you define what’s “non-essential,” half the country riots because it’s their program. That’s why “dull roar” budget restraint is probably the only politically viable path.

And yes, better than the last guy is a low bar for some, but at least the bar isn’t buried underground anymore because SUPERCARNEY is here to save the day.

 

[mandrill]

You’re giving Carney a “so far” grade when he’s barely had time to unpack his suitcases. The public service bloat didn’t happen overnight, and no PM, blue, red, or Martian green, is slashing it in year one without tanking their own mandate. Same with China and India: both are prickly as hell, and it’s not like Poilievre would stroll in with a Tim’s double-double chomping on an apple and suddenly reset trade relations.

Ok Alberta, hmmmmm, every PM gets painted as the villain in Calgary, unless they’re cutting oil royalties themselves. Tell me I'm wrong so I can assess your partisanship further.

Cutting non-essential spending sounds great on paper, but the second you define what’s “non-essential,” half the country riots because it’s their program. That’s why “dull roar” budget restraint is probably the only politically viable path.

And yes, better than the last guy is a low bar for some, but at least the bar isn’t buried underground anymore because SUPERCARNEY is here to save the day.