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Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)

mandrill

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He said things you didnt like, got it. Still an exemplary citizen with no crime to his name, a nice family and a successful business (influencer). Sounds good by today standards.
If someone assassinated a mild mannered arms dealer or a bookish philosopher who called for the invasion of neighbouring countries and the decimation of their populations - like that Russian jackass, Dugin - would you still regret their deaths?

Surely the fact that someone has not been convicted of a criminal offence is not the measure of his worth?
 
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richaceg

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Look at the looney left celebrating death of a guy who's fault is having a different political standpoint. Yeah...you're not about live and hope afterall. Trump really turn you guys into pro violence lunatics....lol.
 

mandrill

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But it didnt? He would still not support people going against the 2nd even if his own death is caused by gunshots. Just like how I wouldnt care about banning cars if i or someone i know died in a car accident. It s a low iq take. Anything he said in that quote was trivial and shared by all supporters of 2nd amendement, some of whom will die by gun shots.
But it's a false equivalence. Most of us agree that the convenience of motor vehicles outweighs the chance of injury or death in a car accident.

But what is the redeeming social value of open carry and the 2nd Amendment?.... It's a mere ideological posture without any underlying social benefit.
 

martel2l

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If someone assassinated a mild mannered arms dealer or a bookish philosopher who called for the invasion of neighbouring countries and the decimation of their populations - like that Russian jackass, Dugin - would you still regret their deaths?

Surely the fact that someone has not been convicted of a criminal offence is not the measure of his worth?
He has never advocated for violence other maybe than in self defense case such as "buy guns to protect yourself". His political views were not extreme and aligned with traditional american family values. You said it yourself, he was a christian fundamentalist aka "dont have sex before marriage" and "show the other cheek" religion.
 

mandrill

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He has never advocated for violence other maybe than in self defense case such as "buy guns to protect yourself". His political views were not extreme and aligned with traditional american family values. You said it yourself, he was a christian fundamentalist aka "dont have sex before marriage" and "show the other cheek" religion.
His political views were very extreme and his support for the 2nd A was part of that and how he made his generous income. It's all part of a package and it's very far right.

"Trad wifing" ain't mainstream.
 

martel2l

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But it's a false equivalence. Most of us agree that the convenience of motor vehicles outweighs the chance of injury or death in a car accident.

But what is the redeeming social value of open carry and the 2nd Amendment?.... It's a mere ideological posture without any underlying social benefit.
Im not saying the 2nd amendement is good. Im saying that anyone who supports the 2nd amendement would make such a statement. It s a trivial statement coming from someone who wants the right to bear arms. Being killed by a gun is irrelevant. The equivalence is that IF i also believe the same for cars, a car accident wouldnt be a gotcha because it happened to me. Again, low iq take.
 

mandrill

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Im not saying the 2nd amendement is good. Im saying that anyone who supports the 2nd amendement would make such a statement. It s a trivial statement coming from someone who wants the right to bear arms. Being killed by a gun is irrelevant. The equivalence is that IF i also believe the same for cars, a car accident wouldnt be a gotcha because it happened to me. Again, low iq take.
I think you missed my point about false equivalence.
 

martel2l

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His political views were very extreme and his support for the 2nd A was part of that and how he made his generous income. It's all part of a package and it's very far right.

"Trad wifing" ain't mainstream.
How can supporting the 2nd be extreme considering it is literally supported by a majority in many states as we speak.
 

martel2l

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I think you missed my point about false equivalence.
No i didnt, you are simply not understanding what im saying. I dont even need the car exemple. "dying by gun shots" is not a gotcha for someone who thinks having guns to protect yourself is important. Charlie kirk base arent giving up on their right to bear arms because he got killed by a gun.
 
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mandrill

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How can supporting the 2nd be extreme considering it is literally supported by a majority in many states as we speak.
Just a second. This is a guy who literally made $$$ millions from publicly pushing an extremist philosophy of Christian fundamentalism, gun rights, dislike of any current social developments and aggressive intolerance.

Selling him as a quiet mid West conservative who generally shared mainstream values ain't going to fly.
 

cunning linguist

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Yes I would have to concur with that.

I've seen a lot of Charlie's content...Don't agree with everything he says but will say he's a well spoken, articulate guy who is always gracious and shows respect for those that disagree with him. A rising star in the Republican party...I'm really hoping that somehow he pulls through this but....

There's going to a lot of political spin on this one...The usual suspects are already starting on here with their rhetoric. Well they're pathological so I guess I should expect it.
Never let a tragedy go to waste, stay "classy" shitlibs.
 

mandrill

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No i didnt, you are simply not understanding what im saying. I dont even need the car exemple. "dying by gun shots" is not a gotcha for someone who thinks having guns to protect yourself is important. Charlie kirk base arent giving up on their right to bear arms because he got killed by a gun.
But read my other posts. If he was a quiet dude who happened to believe in the 2nd A and kept to himself and who got shot in a robbery gone wrong at the bank where he worked, his death would indeed be unironic.

But he publicly campaigned and made shit loads of money of pushing these ideas down America's throats and then one of his platforms turned and shot him in the neck. That's the irony.
 

martel2l

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Just a second. This is a guy who literally made $$$ millions from publicly pushing an extremist philosophy of Christian fundamentalism, gun rights, dislike of any current social developments and aggressive intolerance.

Selling him as a quiet mid West conservative who generally shared mainstream values ain't going to fly.
I dont care how many millions he made. You sound like a very rich hating catholic stereotype yourself.

1. Christianity is not extreme in the state, the funding values and principles of usa is based on christianity and most communities with good fertility rate are Christian communities. Christianity is the past and also probably the future of the USA.

2.Gun rights are not extreme in the USA it s a protected right still active to this day but under siege.
 
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