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martel2l said:
No i didnt, you are simply not understanding what im saying. I dont even need the car exemple. "dying by gun shots" is not a gotcha for someone who thinks having guns to protect yourself is important. Charlie kirk base arent giving up on their right to bear arms because he got killed by a gun.
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But read my other posts. If he was a quiet dude who happened to believe in the 2nd A and kept to himself and who got shot in a robbery gone wrong at the bank where he worked, his death would indeed be unironic.

But he publicly campaigned and made shit loads of money of pushing these ideas down America's throats and then one of his platforms turned and shot him in the neck. That's the irony.
 
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mandrill said:
Just a second. This is a guy who literally made $$$ millions from publicly pushing an extremist philosophy of Christian fundamentalism, gun rights, dislike of any current social developments and aggressive intolerance.

Selling him as a quiet mid West conservative who generally shared mainstream values ain't going to fly.
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I dont care how many millions he made. You sound like a very rich hating catholic stereotype yourself.

1. Christianity is not extreme in the state, the funding values and principles of usa is based on christianity and most communities with good fertility rate are Christian communities. Christianity is the past and also probably the future of the USA.

2.Gun rights are not extreme in the USA it s a protected right still active to this day but under siege.
 
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The Oracle said:
Yes I would have to concur with that.

I've seen a lot of Charlie's content...Don't agree with everything he says but will say he's a well spoken, articulate guy who is always gracious and shows respect for those that disagree with him. A rising star in the Republican party...I'm really hoping that somehow he pulls through this but....

There's going to a lot of political spin on this one...The usual suspects are already starting on here with their rhetoric. Well they're pathological so I guess I should expect it.
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I don't think Charlie was assassinated for his conservative views or his rising young Republican star status.
I think he was killed because he is a visible friend of President Trump's and the opportunity presented itself to an unhinged leftist psycho.
 
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But read my other posts. If he was a quiet dude who happened to believe in the 2nd A and kept to himself and who got shot in a robbery gone wrong at the bank where he worked, his death would indeed be unironic.

But he publicly campaigned and made shit loads of money of pushing these ideas down America's throats and then one of his platforms turned and shot him in the neck. That's the irony.
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He also denounced leftist violence and assassination culture in his debates, with the united healthcare ceo murder and trump murder attempt. The difference you re not getting is that a defender of the 2nd amendement never blames the gun. Kirk didnt blame guns when Trump almost got killed, he blamed LEFTIST ViOLENCE. So how is it irony if this fits EXACTLY with his worldview and warnings?

If kirk had been roadkilled by a guy in a car or stabbed like in Japan, what would have changed?
 
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mandrill said:
But he publicly campaigned and made shit loads of money of pushing these ideas down America's throats and then one of his platforms turned and shot him in the neck. That's the irony.
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He was also a big supporter of Israel.
 
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martel2l said:
He has never advocated for violence other maybe than in self defense case such as "buy guns to protect yourself". His political views were not extreme and aligned with traditional american family values. You said it yourself, he was a christian fundamentalist aka "dont have sex before marriage" and "show the other cheek" religion.
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In my opinion, he was a nutbag. Yes, a very successful nutbag and that is the bump in the road. At 31, he didn't get to enjoy his wealth from his success, and that would suck.

www.nbcnews.com

Charlie Kirk once pushed a 'secular worldview.' Now he's fighting to make America Christian again.

In 2018, Kirk urged conservative Christians to respect the separation of church and state. Today, he calls that foundational principle “a fabrication.”
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
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If it was a professional hit the shooter may never get caught
 
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martel2l said:
He also denounced leftist violence and assassination culture in his debates, with the united healthcare ceo murder and trump murder attempt. The difference you re not getting is that a defender of the 2nd amendement never blames the gun. Kirk didnt blame guns when Trump almost got killed, he blamed LEFTIST ViOLENCE. So how is it irony if this fits EXACTLY with his worldview and warnings?

If kirk had been roadkilled by a guy in a car or stabbed like in Japan, what would have changed?
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Gun grabbers only like to point out gun violence when perps and victims are white, to suit their narrative. As soon as there's colour involved, it's "too racist" to discuss.
 
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God is America fucked up right now. All i got. I disagreed with Kirk on pretty much everything but all he ever wanted to do was debate people. He didn't deserve this. It's Utah, and their governor made a point of reminding everyone that Utah has the death penalty.
 
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This is what happens when you make your career and your life about sowing division, discord and hatred.
However, this is a domestic act of terrorism and should be treated as such.
Hopefully there isn't a retaliatory right wing terror attack on a bunch of immigrants or trans women.
After all, Charlie hated them with a passion.
Its sad that even after his death, nothing good can be said about him.
Still sad though. He was too young to go like this especially in front of his wife and kids.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal said:
This is what happens when you make your career and your life about sowing division, discord and hatred.
However, this is a domestic act of terrorism and should be treated as such.
Hopefully there isn't a retaliatory right wing terror attack on a bunch of immigrants or trans women.
After all, Charlie hated them with a passion.
Its sad that even after his death, nothing good can be said about him.
Still sad though. He was too young to go like this especially in front of his wife and kids.
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Not sad at all what’s sad is the two school kids shot today. The rest of today’s news. Karma. Life goes on. there will be a few more shootings this week down there. Pass the peas
 
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