The difference here is most of us would take the shot ourselves if it was Hitler, Stalin or Putin.
It's one thing to be extremely judgemental of someone you disagree with politically, but you provided a passive justification for his killing.
Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)
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It's one thing to be extremely judgemental of someone you disagree with politically, but you provided a passive justification for his killing.
HOW DARE YOU say something like this about Putin? I'm telling Trumputin on you!!!!
BTW, did you answer my question in the other thread yet?
OK, back to this thread
You, Juan and Phil are all cutting jokes, yet Ory and Opti aren't getting upset as they do with me, while all I do is give my thoughts and prayers. I don't understand it.
LOL, let her grief first.
She has to take care of the kids. Manage/reviews the estate/assets.
She'd be getting a ton of gofundme money etc. etc.
Don't think she has time or would feel horny until things get settled.
Yea, at least a year until she even start think about it. With the press/paparazzi chasing her.
We can all agree that this is political violence.
We can also agree that political violence happens because someone who is enraged with someone's political messaging, decided to enact vengeance.
This doesn't happen without the victim (in this case Charlie) having pushed divisive, rhetoric that was designed to enrage their enemies (in this case the shooter).
I was pointing out this simple truth of cause and effect that you already know.
The unhinged left looking bad in this..Charlie kirk has welcomed anybody in debate...the guy challenged anybody opinion he basically gave everyone the mic for a conversation...in the end their only answer to his challenge was violence.....
Nice way to restructure victim blaming...Charlie was open to discuss differences of opinion...invited left leaning personalities I clouding Gavin Newsom...just say it already...the shooter has schizo...
The right better hope it was another right winger.
Because if the left have become this good a shot.......
Because if the left have become this good a shot.......
You're basically saying that you vehemently disagreed with him. Charlie didn't meet your definition of political virtue.
He essentially didn't shut up and this is what he got.
It still doesn't take away from the fact that he was a stochastic terrorist who relied on rage bait to make a living.
So rage that he engineered, or rather rage that he intended to engineer, got him killed.
It of course shouldn't have happened.
But let us not pretend to be naive about the impact of his messaging and how harmful it has been.
Whatvwxactly was he "rage bait" about? He was challenging every argument and has great counters to every topic...was it his fault none of his counterpart can beat him so the only answer was to shoot him?
So by your logic, MK Gandhi and MLK were both pushing divisive rhetoric too. It certainly enraged their enemies enough to shoot them.
No, he didn't challenge anybody or intend to debate anyone.
He just said really nutty things designed to piss off "the left" and grift from the rage bait.
It backfired.
There was a school shooting today in Colorado. How do right-wingers decide which shooting deserves thoughts and prayers and which deserve greater action?
Yes what they said did enrage their enemies.
But they preached unity.
Charlie pushed division and discord.
Which is why while Ghandi and MLK are widely accepted as martyrs for their cause, Charlie isn't.
I'm sorry anyone who believes in free speech had to defend Charlie Kirk's right to speak his beliefs.
I don't think you understand clearly enough that what you describe could apply to a lot of political and media people on the far left and far right.
Silencing people with violence should be condemned without condition.
Well this isn't a free speech debate because yes, we all agree he had a right to say whatever he wanted to say.
Condemning this shooting is also not a debate, because yes, we all condemn political violence of any kind.
But it also doesn't take away from the fact that his speech, was objectively stochastic terrorism designed to divide, and enrage people that eventually backfired.
These are just statements of fact.
This is not about left and right, Liberal or Conservative, or GOP versus Democrat which simply are hackneyed two dimensional arguments to explain everything as if bipartisanship is the answer to all . There are multiple dimensions to America beyond the MAGA hoax.
Notice that the guy who almost exploded Trump’s has been all but forgotten by the MAGAs because he was once of them, the same as the guy that just neutralized Charlie. Trump is a multidimensional entity that can easily manipulate the one dimensional MAGA base with their falling population and desperation .
Trump and MAGA will ultimately implode and be taken out by one of their ” own people” so that cannot blame the destruction on those that they perpetually incite hatred against.
Charlie was a retribution fueled MAGA associate who just got fucked today, offed by “ one of his own”
May he rest in pieces.
Notice that the guy who almost exploded Trump’s has been all but forgotten by the MAGAs because he was once of them, the same as the guy that just neutralized Charlie. Trump is a multidimensional entity that can easily manipulate the one dimensional MAGA base with their falling population and desperation .
Trump and MAGA will ultimately implode and be taken out by one of their ” own people” so that cannot blame the destruction on those that they perpetually incite hatred against.
Charlie was a retribution fueled MAGA associate who just got fucked today, offed by “ one of his own”
May he rest in pieces.
Since I cannot help you with your mental gymnastics you'd have to carry on by yourself.
When Kyle volunteer to defend stores from being looted, chased and defended himself from armed assailants - it's his fault.
Whe Charlie kirk who wasnt armed and wasn't violently threatening to anybody and gets shot, it's also his fault? I wonder what type of situation will it take for you to actually blame someone from the left when they act violently...
I think we all know who's actually performing mental gymnastics here...lol you're bedding over backwards to claim this is a political violence but the left is not to blame...ever si ce Trump won, the democrats had nothing but fight opposition at every turn...their followers are being encouraged to fight and this is what happens.
