This simple logic that is clear to all eludes gun crazy Americans.
Charlie Kirk Shot in the Neck in Utah (Update: Shooter Alt-right links)
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@Phil C. McNasty, did you know that both of Tyler's parents voted for the Republican Party?
Lol. There is no quote for him advocating for gun restrictions. There are numerous ones of him advocating for ownership. There is his famous quote stating that he gun deaths are acceptable.
You stated you don't know who he is.
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Here he is. He wasn't shy. In fact quite clear on his views. I have no doubt if he thought gun laws were a good thing he would have said something, considering what else he believed.
It shouldn't be today, ideally.
The original intent for the right has been bastardized and abused.
Gun violence in the United States is significantly related to gang violence.
Yes, the potential risk of gun ownership is gun violence, as is the risk of vehicle ownership is automotive fatalities, as is the risk of pool ownership being occasional drowning, etc.
These aren't controversial nor profound statements.
@Phil C. McNasty you need to speak to Tyler's Granny QUICKLY MAN!! The fix is in to stop the Rightie Rage Echo Chamber man!!!
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Charlie Kirk Suspect’s Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA
Tyler Robinson, the prime suspect for Charlie Kirk’s assassination, comes from a proud MAGA family, according to his grandmother.
It is more than questionable given what has been reported.
The video of the gunman running across and jumping from the roof, then across the lawn and parking lot clearly shows he is not carrying a long gun/rifle.
How did a rifle get found in the woods some distance away/. And wrapped in a towel?
I can understand it not being with him in the stairwell video stills as he could have stashed the rifle ahead of the event.
And TBH, while I haven't seen everything to do with guns hitting stuff... let me tell you, a 30.06 hitting someone in the neck should blow his head off.
At the very least if he used a soft point bullet that would mushroom, there wasn't enough meat for it to transfer the energy of a 30.06 bullet to the body and stop the bullet in his neck.
It should have gone right through, and left a big splatter on the background signage. See the post-shooting scene below. I saw the actual uncensored footage on Telegram and the impact only produced a (huge) gusher of arterial blood that is attributable to his blood pressure, not the hydrostatic shock of a large caliber gunshot wound.
I have no alternative scenario to concoct but the 30.06 with the improperly mounted scope in a cardboard box in the woods doesn't make sense to me.
I can understand why he wouldn't advocate for more gun restrictions, because it won't reduce gun violence in the United States; not when they're focused on responsible, law abiding citizens.
That doesn't mean he advocated for no laws, again, projection.
Are there any ballistics reports confirming .30-06? I've seen an almost contact shot on an injured, but not yet deceased whitetail deer's neck with a 180gr soft point and it didn't come close to decapitation.
Looks like Trump is trumping as usual. lmfao.
Actually if you watched the video a little closer, he was carrying something in his hand like a towel wrapped gun or a gun case, along with his backpack (which was already on his back).
Well if you consider 13% of all gun homicides being significant, then we have different perceptions of significant.
National Youth Gang Survey Analysis: Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems
The NGC conducted an annual survey of law enforcement agencies to assess the extent of gang problems. This page shows data measuring the extent of gang problems.
But when you put suicides, accidents and law enforcement homicides etc into the mix, gang related gun deaths represent less than 5% of gun deaths in the USA.
You might be extrapolating Trump's obession with Chicago as being representative, as gang violence accounts for half of firearms homicides.
The big takeaway for me has always been the immense firearm saturation of American society. Having guns around the house does facilitate impulsive suicides, escalating domestic disputes from words, often skipping hands right to guns. Kids getting killed playing with the guns in dad's nightstand that are ironically there to protect the family is a real problem. Same with kids stealing the family protection gun to school and going on a shooting spree.
I'm happier living in Canada, with fewer guns. I've lived here and in the US and in Europe. While I would have a home protection shotgun and a concealed carry compact handgun (available) if I lived in the US, I'm so much happier and feel so much safer here in Canada where guns are not part of daily life for most Canadians.
AI Overview
In 2023, the most recent year with complete data, there were 46,728 firearm deaths in the USA, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). This total includes gun suicides, homicides, and accidental or undetermined deaths, with suicides accounting for the largest portion.
Breakdown of Firearm Deaths (2023)
- Suicides: 27,300 (approximately 58% of the total)
- Homicides: Approximately 17,927 (roughly 38%)
- Other deaths: The remaining deaths were due to accidental circumstances, legal intervention (e.g., killings by law enforcement), or undetermined causes.
- Increase from Previous Years: While the total number of deaths decreased slightly by 3% from 2022 to 2023, the number of gun-related deaths has significantly increased by 39.1% since 2014.
- Suicide Rate: 2023 saw the highest number of gun suicides in 40 years
Lol! What a word salad!
You mean like how the race card is abused when censoring discussion on crime?
Race isn't used to justify or overlook crime.
The 2nd amendment is used to justify gun deaths, like Charlie Kirk did.
Fine. Next time you're going to Mississauga or Oshawa, you can bicycle then. Budget 8 or 10 hours for the trip. And you might not even make it, if you're not young and fit.
But you don't need a gun to get by in Toronto - or any other Canadian city.
You must hate pedestrians and the environment, leave the driving to the professionals.Fine. Next time you're going to Mississauga or Oshawa, you can bicycle then.
But you don't need a gun to get by in Toronto - or any other Canadian city.
See, it's that easy to trivialize the "need" for a private automobile. Maybe think twice when you criticize someone else's life choices.
Not that I've heard of.
As you know, a deer's neck is significantly larger than a human and the trajectory makes all the difference. I'm not at all dismissing your personal experience. I've seen the strangest ballistic/impact signatures on things that don't make sense. At both extremes.
All I'm saying is that getting hit in the neck with any 30.06 slug at the trajectory he was hit seemed to have caused less damage than that slug did.
I have no alternate theory and have been careful to preface my Les Nessman Buckeye News Hawk reporter ballistic analysis with words like, "looks like", "should", might" etc.
But whatever calibre, I fear that these sniper attacks are going to continue if not increase with the rabid, rapid polarization the US is infected with.
