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Vegas is the most public example. It's also a very good prediction of the economy. You said it yourself. People don't have money, or are scared to go spend it.
The word on Vegas is that the change in business model to all-around price gouging pretty much killed the city for everyone.
 

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I also said recessions are part of a normal business cycle not an anomaly.
I agree. That we are discussing though is the US govt refusing to acknowledge this, and that it's coming. And refusing to accept bad numbers.

Right?
 

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I'm not sure what were arguing about here. No offense, but it sounds like we're at the water cooler discussing someone's firing.

Firing Stan was very unfair. You know Tina did a lacklustre in that job too.
The boss really said some stupid things about Stan. Remember 2023? Stan was doing pretty good there for awhile.

(There is no Stan or Tina. Stan and Tina are fictional characters for purpose of creating this example.)

In fairness to me, I never said the economy was booming. I even went back and showed you my posts going back to mid-2024.

So yeah, if you don't like the way Trump fired the BLS Director and what he said that's cool. I agree 100% with the decision though.

So let me get this straight you liked Stan the nerd in marketing, you admit the boss (Trump) said some dumb things, but you’re still cheering when he fires the woman running the numbers? That’s like blaming the referee because your team can’t score.

If the BLS director was doing such a terrible job, why did Trump only suddenly “discover” that after the stats started making him look bad? That’s not leadership, that’s wanting to create and falsify the stats.

Stan had flaws and was harassing the ladies for sexual favors, so fire him but firing the messenger because you don’t like the message? That’s not management, it’s tantrum management kicking and pounding the floor because you want it your way..

I now pass you the pretzel, avoid the cucumber, someone will get angry.
 

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If the BLS director was doing such a terrible job, why did Trump only suddenly “discover” that after the stats started making him look bad? That’s not leadership, that’s wanting to create and falsify the stats.
Trump vehemently criticized the Bureau of Labor Statistics in August 2024 when the jobs data had its now common large annual revision. Nothing sudden about it. You had to remember. Did you forget?

You seem to be navigating around the fact that the monthly data is inaccurate while only focusing on Trump's words. When it comes to politicians Republicans or Democrats, it's best to not focus too much on their words. Rather, focus on the facts on the ground in which in this case is the erratic jobs data.


PS- squeeze, read this postscript carefully. Everything in this post is fact. You can have your opinion that something nefarious is being done by replacing the BLS Director. No offense, but that's still just opinion. Mr. McNasty went round and round earlier on that point with a few members. Yeah okay, you believe Trump's new BLS Head is going to fudge the numbers. We got it!
 
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Trump vehemently criticized the Bureau of Labor Statistics in August 2024 when the jobs data had its now common large annual revision. You had to remember. Did you forget?

You seem to be navigating around the fact that the monthly data is inaccurate while only focusing on Trump's words. When it comes to politicians Republicans or Democrats, it's best to not focus too much on their words. Rather focus on the facts on the ground in which in this case is the erratic jobs data.


PS- squeeze, read this postscript carefully. Everything in this post is fact. You can have your opinion that something nefarious is being done by replacing the BLS Director. No offense, but that's still just opinion. Mr. McNasty went round and round earlier on that point with a few members. Yeah okay, you believe Trump's new BLS Head is going to fudge the numbers. We got it!
Are you arguing that trump is a trustworthy source of data for economics or anything at all?

 

squeezer

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Trump vehemently criticized the Bureau of Labor Statistics in August 2024 when the jobs data had its now common large annual revision. Nothing sudden about it. You had to remember. Did you forget?

You seem to be navigating around the fact that the monthly data is inaccurate while only focusing on Trump's words. When it comes to politicians Republicans or Democrats, it's best to not focus too much on their words. Rather, focus on the facts on the ground in which in this case is the erratic jobs data.


PS- squeeze, read this postscript carefully. Everything in this post is fact. You can have your opinion that something nefarious is being done by replacing the BLS Director. No offense, but that's still just opinion. Mr. McNasty went round and round earlier on that point with a few members. Yeah okay, you believe Trump's new BLS Head is going to fudge the numbers. We got it!

Have a read below, facts are important, not a padded article from the Fox Trump Network.

Especially when you have to look at the headline in the article you want to use as fact

Trump accuses Biden admin of 'MASSIVE SCANDAL' after new jobs numbers dramatically revised downward

Trump would blame Biden for the reason he has to wear diapers.

1. Revisions are built into the system

  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) always treats its monthly nonfarm payroll estimates as preliminary. Over time, as more data come in (especially from state unemployment insurance records, employer tax filings, etc.), it revises those numbers. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2
  • There are monthly revisions (for the two prior months) and an annual “benchmark” revision that occurs later once more complete underlying data are available. PolitiFact+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3Wikipedia+3
  • The benchmark revisions tend to be the largest because they realign the survey-based estimates with administrative records. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2

So it's not that the BLS is “suddenly changing” things for political reasons — it’s doing the math as better information arrives. That’s baked into the methodology.

2. What was the August 2024 downward revision episode?

Trump zeroed in on a big revision in August 2024 (a downward adjustment of ~818,000 jobs) as proof of manipulation. But here’s what the actual timeline and mechanics reveal:


  • On August 21, 2024, the BLS announced a preliminary downward revision of 818,000 jobs for the 12-month period ending March 2024. Staffing Industry Analysts+4PolitiFact+4ABC News+4
  • That revision was before the election, not immediately after it, as Trump sometimes implies. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • Later, in February 2025, the BLS issued its final benchmark revision and scaled that adjustment back — to a downward revision of ~589,000 jobs. In other words, the final adjustment was smaller than the initial claim of 818,000. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Analysts note that the 818,000 figure was “preliminary,” subject to revision itself, so you can’t treat it as a fixed “gotcha” number. PolitiFact+2FactCheck.org+2
  • PolitiFact explicitly rated one of Trump’s statements about this timeline “Pants on Fire,” because he misrepresented when the revision happened relative to the election. PolitiFact

So yes — there was a large downward revision. But no — that revision doesn’t substantiate the claim that someone “rigged” the data to help Democrats or punish Republicans.

3. Data issues and limitations do exist

That said, the BLS’s jobs data are imperfect. Here are some structural challenges:


  • Response rates are declining. More employers are slow to respond to the payroll survey, which forces the BLS to rely more heavily on statistical imputations. Reuters+2Wikipedia+2
  • That means the original estimates can drift more than they used to, especially in sectors or small businesses where data are sparse. Wikipedia+2FactCheck.org+2
  • Because of that, large revisions have become more visible — but again, they come through the system, not via a plot by a commissioner. Reuters+3Wikipedia+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3
  • Importantly: The BLS commissioner doesn’t directly “make up” numbers. The systems, methodology, and data pipelines are largely independent and well-audited. It's not like she just dialed a “+100,000 jobs” number one day. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

Why Trump's “padding the numbers” claim doesn’t hold up

Putting it all together:


  • The revision Trump seized on (–818,000) was preliminary and announced before the election — which contradicts his narrative that the data were adjusted after the election to hide something. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • The final adjustment was smaller (–589,000), meaning the initial large number was scaled back. That undermines the idea of a grand conspiracy. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Revisions are a known, built-in feature of how labor statistics are compiled — they happen routinely. Trump frames them as scandals. Wikipedia+4FactCheck.org+4PolitiFact+4
  • There is no credible evidence that the BLS manipulated its methodology for political ends. Fact-checkers have repeatedly found that Trump’s claims about “rigged” or “fabricated” job numbers lack evidence.
1. Revisions are built into the system

  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) always treats its monthly nonfarm payroll estimates as preliminary. Over time, as more data come in (especially from state unemployment insurance records, employer tax filings, etc.), it revises those numbers. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2
  • There are monthly revisions (for the two prior months) and an annual “benchmark” revision that occurs later once more complete underlying data are available. PolitiFact+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3Wikipedia+3
  • The benchmark revisions tend to be the largest because they realign the survey-based estimates with administrative records. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2

So it's not that the BLS is “suddenly changing” things for political reasons — it’s doing the math as better information arrives. That’s baked into the methodology.

2. What was the August 2024 downward revision episode?

Trump zeroed in on a big revision in August 2024 (a downward adjustment of ~818,000 jobs) as proof of manipulation. But here’s what the actual timeline and mechanics reveal:


  • On August 21, 2024, the BLS announced a preliminary downward revision of 818,000 jobs for the 12-month period ending March 2024. Staffing Industry Analysts+4PolitiFact+4ABC News+4
  • That revision was before the election, not immediately after it, as Trump sometimes implies. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • Later, in February 2025, the BLS issued its final benchmark revision and scaled that adjustment back — to a downward revision of ~589,000 jobs. In other words, the final adjustment was smaller than the initial claim of 818,000. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Analysts note that the 818,000 figure was “preliminary,” subject to revision itself, so you can’t treat it as a fixed “gotcha” number. PolitiFact+2FactCheck.org+2
  • PolitiFact explicitly rated one of Trump’s statements about this timeline “Pants on Fire,” because he misrepresented when the revision happened relative to the election. PolitiFact

So yes — there was a large downward revision. But no — that revision doesn’t substantiate the claim that someone “rigged” the data to help Democrats or punish Republicans.

3. Data issues and limitations do exist

That said, the BLS’s jobs data are imperfect. Here are some structural challenges:


  • Response rates are declining. More employers are slow to respond to the payroll survey, which forces the BLS to rely more heavily on statistical imputations. Reuters+2Wikipedia+2
  • That means the original estimates can drift more than they used to, especially in sectors or small businesses where data are sparse. Wikipedia+2FactCheck.org+2
  • Because of that, large revisions have become more visible — but again, they come through the system, not via a plot by a commissioner. Reuters+3Wikipedia+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3
  • Importantly: The BLS commissioner doesn’t directly “make up” numbers. The systems, methodology, and data pipelines are largely independent and well-audited. It's not like she just dialed a “+100,000 jobs” number one day. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

Why Trump's “padding the numbers” claim doesn’t hold up

Putting it all together:


  • The revision Trump seized on (–818,000) was preliminary and announced before the election — which contradicts his narrative that the data were adjusted after the election to hide something. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • The final adjustment was smaller (–589,000), meaning the initial large number was scaled back. That undermines the idea of a grand conspiracy. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Revisions are a known, built-in feature of how labor statistics are compiled — they happen routinely. Trump frames them as scandals. Wikipedia+4FactCheck.org+4PolitiFact+4
  • There is no credible evidence that the BLS manipulated its methodology for political ends. Fact-checkers have repeatedly found that Trump’s claims about “rigged” or “fabricated” job numbers lack evidence.
 

Frankfooter

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Have a read below, facts are important, not a padded article from the Fox Trump Network.

Especially when you have to look at the headline in the article you want to use as fact

Trump accuses Biden admin of 'MASSIVE SCANDAL' after new jobs numbers dramatically revised downward

Trump would blame Biden for the reason he has to wear diapers.

1. Revisions are built into the system

  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) always treats its monthly nonfarm payroll estimates as preliminary. Over time, as more data come in (especially from state unemployment insurance records, employer tax filings, etc.), it revises those numbers. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2
  • There are monthly revisions (for the two prior months) and an annual “benchmark” revision that occurs later once more complete underlying data are available. PolitiFact+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3Wikipedia+3
  • The benchmark revisions tend to be the largest because they realign the survey-based estimates with administrative records. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2

So it's not that the BLS is “suddenly changing” things for political reasons — it’s doing the math as better information arrives. That’s baked into the methodology.

2. What was the August 2024 downward revision episode?

Trump zeroed in on a big revision in August 2024 (a downward adjustment of ~818,000 jobs) as proof of manipulation. But here’s what the actual timeline and mechanics reveal:


  • On August 21, 2024, the BLS announced a preliminary downward revision of 818,000 jobs for the 12-month period ending March 2024. Staffing Industry Analysts+4PolitiFact+4ABC News+4
  • That revision was before the election, not immediately after it, as Trump sometimes implies. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • Later, in February 2025, the BLS issued its final benchmark revision and scaled that adjustment back — to a downward revision of ~589,000 jobs. In other words, the final adjustment was smaller than the initial claim of 818,000. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Analysts note that the 818,000 figure was “preliminary,” subject to revision itself, so you can’t treat it as a fixed “gotcha” number. PolitiFact+2FactCheck.org+2
  • PolitiFact explicitly rated one of Trump’s statements about this timeline “Pants on Fire,” because he misrepresented when the revision happened relative to the election. PolitiFact

So yes — there was a large downward revision. But no — that revision doesn’t substantiate the claim that someone “rigged” the data to help Democrats or punish Republicans.

3. Data issues and limitations do exist

That said, the BLS’s jobs data are imperfect. Here are some structural challenges:


  • Response rates are declining. More employers are slow to respond to the payroll survey, which forces the BLS to rely more heavily on statistical imputations. Reuters+2Wikipedia+2
  • That means the original estimates can drift more than they used to, especially in sectors or small businesses where data are sparse. Wikipedia+2FactCheck.org+2
  • Because of that, large revisions have become more visible — but again, they come through the system, not via a plot by a commissioner. Reuters+3Wikipedia+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3
  • Importantly: The BLS commissioner doesn’t directly “make up” numbers. The systems, methodology, and data pipelines are largely independent and well-audited. It's not like she just dialed a “+100,000 jobs” number one day. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

Why Trump's “padding the numbers” claim doesn’t hold up

Putting it all together:


  • The revision Trump seized on (–818,000) was preliminary and announced before the election — which contradicts his narrative that the data were adjusted after the election to hide something. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • The final adjustment was smaller (–589,000), meaning the initial large number was scaled back. That undermines the idea of a grand conspiracy. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Revisions are a known, built-in feature of how labor statistics are compiled — they happen routinely. Trump frames them as scandals. Wikipedia+4FactCheck.org+4PolitiFact+4
  • There is no credible evidence that the BLS manipulated its methodology for political ends. Fact-checkers have repeatedly found that Trump’s claims about “rigged” or “fabricated” job numbers lack evidence.
1. Revisions are built into the system

  • The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) always treats its monthly nonfarm payroll estimates as preliminary. Over time, as more data come in (especially from state unemployment insurance records, employer tax filings, etc.), it revises those numbers. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2
  • There are monthly revisions (for the two prior months) and an annual “benchmark” revision that occurs later once more complete underlying data are available. PolitiFact+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3Wikipedia+3
  • The benchmark revisions tend to be the largest because they realign the survey-based estimates with administrative records. Wikipedia+2Bureau of Labor Statistics+2

So it's not that the BLS is “suddenly changing” things for political reasons — it’s doing the math as better information arrives. That’s baked into the methodology.

2. What was the August 2024 downward revision episode?

Trump zeroed in on a big revision in August 2024 (a downward adjustment of ~818,000 jobs) as proof of manipulation. But here’s what the actual timeline and mechanics reveal:


  • On August 21, 2024, the BLS announced a preliminary downward revision of 818,000 jobs for the 12-month period ending March 2024. Staffing Industry Analysts+4PolitiFact+4ABC News+4
  • That revision was before the election, not immediately after it, as Trump sometimes implies. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • Later, in February 2025, the BLS issued its final benchmark revision and scaled that adjustment back — to a downward revision of ~589,000 jobs. In other words, the final adjustment was smaller than the initial claim of 818,000. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Analysts note that the 818,000 figure was “preliminary,” subject to revision itself, so you can’t treat it as a fixed “gotcha” number. PolitiFact+2FactCheck.org+2
  • PolitiFact explicitly rated one of Trump’s statements about this timeline “Pants on Fire,” because he misrepresented when the revision happened relative to the election. PolitiFact

So yes — there was a large downward revision. But no — that revision doesn’t substantiate the claim that someone “rigged” the data to help Democrats or punish Republicans.

3. Data issues and limitations do exist

That said, the BLS’s jobs data are imperfect. Here are some structural challenges:


  • Response rates are declining. More employers are slow to respond to the payroll survey, which forces the BLS to rely more heavily on statistical imputations. Reuters+2Wikipedia+2
  • That means the original estimates can drift more than they used to, especially in sectors or small businesses where data are sparse. Wikipedia+2FactCheck.org+2
  • Because of that, large revisions have become more visible — but again, they come through the system, not via a plot by a commissioner. Reuters+3Wikipedia+3Bureau of Labor Statistics+3
  • Importantly: The BLS commissioner doesn’t directly “make up” numbers. The systems, methodology, and data pipelines are largely independent and well-audited. It's not like she just dialed a “+100,000 jobs” number one day. Wikipedia+2Wikipedia+2

Why Trump's “padding the numbers” claim doesn’t hold up

Putting it all together:


  • The revision Trump seized on (–818,000) was preliminary and announced before the election — which contradicts his narrative that the data were adjusted after the election to hide something. FactCheck.org+3PolitiFact+3ABC News+3
  • The final adjustment was smaller (–589,000), meaning the initial large number was scaled back. That undermines the idea of a grand conspiracy. PolitiFact+2ABC News+2
  • Revisions are a known, built-in feature of how labor statistics are compiled — they happen routinely. Trump frames them as scandals. Wikipedia+4FactCheck.org+4PolitiFact+4
  • There is no credible evidence that the BLS manipulated its methodology for political ends. Fact-checkers have repeatedly found that Trump’s claims about “rigged” or “fabricated” job numbers lack evidence.
Exactly.
This is the full trump government, they've got control of the house, senate and SC.
They can do what they want.

Its just that what they want to do is turning the US into a shithole country like Hungary or Argentina.
As expected.

 

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The guy that won 4 democratic elections and then resigned for the good of the country?
No he won three of them and lost the popular vote twice. And he was forced out but did enough damage before he left. Yeah that guy. Guess what Trump won two democratic elections. Did you and squeezy forget that too.
 
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No he won three of them and lost the popular vote twice. And he was forced out but did enough damage before he left. Yeah that guy. Guess what Trump won two democratic elections. Did you and squeezy forget that too.
So you're saying Trudeau is more democratic than trump?
How many times was Trudeau impeached?
Does he have any felony counts?
Is he in the Epstein files?
 
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So you're saying Trudeau is more democratic than trump?
How many times was Trudeau impeached?
Does he have any felony counts?
Is he in the Epstein files?
Trudeau was investigated just as many times as Trump. Only difference is Trudeau had the contacts to get off scott free where as Trump has a bullseye on his back. Do you have proof that Rump is on the Epstein list. If so prove it.
 
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Trudeau was investigated just as many times as Trump. Only difference is Trudeau had the contacts to get off scott free where as Trump has a bullseye on his back. Do you have proof that Rump is on the Epstein list. If so prove it.
Only difference is that trump was found guilty in court over and over again while no Trudeau accusations could even make it as far as court.
next?
 
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