Deals are worthless with trump, he won't honour them or even complete them.
Its best just to wait him out.
Carney ready to fold?: PM Carney to discuss trade at White House next week
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Its best just to wait him out.
There were two options for dealing with Trump's economic agenda. Either the majority of the world stood up to him and imposed widescale tariffs on American goods (something that didn't happen), or give Trump an optics win that isn't actually binding in an attempt to stall the damage. Many countries opted for the latter. These nebulous "frameworks" allow Trump to claim a win, before anything has actually been won, and meanwhile stave off the worst for the countries involved.
Canada was stupid in that we imposed retaliatory tariffs as if we had enough leverage on our own to actually accomplish something. This is the same kind of delusional thinking that leads us to pursue massive green energy projects that drain our coffers, but don't actually make a meaningful difference. Sorry folks, but Canada makes up just 2% of global GDP and 1.5% of emissions. We don't have the market share to drastically impact these things globally on our own.
I actually agree somewhat. Trump won't abide by them. But...by giving him an optics win, we could have avoided the full economic fallout and stall things out.
Tell that to the liberals here who thinks the way to a better economy is just fight Trump. They actually rejoice Carney bypassing the US and deal with Mexico (dumbest take). Deal with Europe without US...
You think this is a win? that's not leverage franky...you need to retake economics 101...
Me?
You're the one that thinks that trump's tariffs, which are screwing over Canada and the US, are smart.
You are the one that is cheering it all on.
Your hero is a senile moron, an elitist pedo.
Nobody is cheering.. you on the other hand rejoice when Carney fights Trump instead of dealing with him...to avoid tariffs...delusional as usual.
You're not cheering anymore!
Woah, trump's end is coming if he's lost terb's biggest orange ass kisser!
I agree with your first part, not so much with the second. While we are very dependent on US trade, the reality is that the US needs our raw materials and what not. We've always focused on trading with them due to convenience, I mean, it's literally a few hours drive for most Ontario-based manufacturers to the US, and we have a very integrated rail and trucking system.
But, that being said, Trump has killed any faith we have in the US being a stable trading partner going forward. I mean, even if he were to drop dead tomorrow, the fact that the US could elect someone so unprepared or literate enough to understand global trade (or, really, not understand it) means that we cannot rely on the US. That is why Carney is working on deals to make closer ties with Europe, Asia and Africa (and South America, I guess).
Here's the thing though: Those trade deals will not be done overnight. It will take time. I know some folks on here think that any deal made is a failure. And, it could be. But, at the same time, it could just be a stalling tactic that will act as a placeholder until other international deals are solidified.
And, here is something else to consider: Say we allow more US access to our dairy market. What are the odds that in this day and age Canadians would buy American? I mean, there was a fairly large quota the US could use to send dairy north...but they've never come close to reaching that amount. So, increasing the quota might mean absolutely nothing but give the appearance that Trump gained some concessions from Carney.
Finally, I haven't really been following this thread, but I would like to point out the BS coming from PP regarding this stuff. He seems to think that he would have been able to have fixed the trade dispute with Trump months ago...with absolutely no evidence. He mocks Canadians for voting for "elbows up," yes he has not shown any backbone to the US. So, what would HE have Canada give up to make a deal? He's pretty quiet on that front. Now, in fairness, I honestly do not think PP would do anything that would hurt our economy (well....I'm 85% sure), but I'm also 100% sure he would likely be in the same space as Carney right now. Maybe below, because I'm not sure he'd be able to work with Europe as effectively.
He did get fired for terrible performance and filed a grievance in AB to get reinstated all while staying firmly attached to the tax payers teat.
He used the Elbows Up slogan and 51st state BS to help win the election, but got caught in the back end.
Unfortunately, we the people suffer for it.
Now he wants to make fake budgets to excuse the escalating debt. This just keeps going in the wrong direction.
no one is cheering...it's pathetic how you think fighting US policies is the way to go...it's like saying Trump's peace proposal is bad...you want Israel and Gaza to keep fighting instead...
I agree with most of what you said. I absolutely think Canada needs to get a placeholder deal in with Trump while we take the time to diversify our trade. The only part I disagree with is the power balance between the U.S. and Canada. Although Trump does want Canadian raw materials, he has more leverage in this dispute than we do. By quite a margin. It's actually shocking to me just how successful Trump has been in being able to bully the world. I thought the EU in particular would give far more pushback. But Trump has successfully been able to leverage the world's strongest consumer market to achieve concessions for his country.
That said, he's vastly over representing the scope of those concessions, and downplaying some of the drawbacks, but that doesn't mean they're not there. Meanwhile, Canada is hurting. So we'll see how this talk goes today. Carney appears quite meek and diminished next to Trump, but he is saying the right things I think in an effort to get a placeholder deal.
It'll be quite interesting if Trump actually manages to broker a peace between Israel and Gaza. It would likely be the single most groundbreaking peace deal this year (only overshadowed if Ukraine also finds peace), and it'd be an interesting debate over the Nobel Peace Prize, I'll tell you that!
Trump and Carney meeting going on..."President Trump is a transformative president" - PM Carney...Like I said, appeasing the orangeman is the way to go in order to relieve pressure on the economy...stop fighting Trump, it doesn't end well for us...If Mark Carney can relinquish the relationship with the US...I'd be a big fan...
Has hamas returned the hostages yet?Show me a ceasefire where Israel has actually ceased firing.
Its so sad that you are no longer cheering for trump, he can't have long left if his base is not happy.
Netanyahu got outplayed by Hamas, they said they'd return the hostages and now Netanyahu is trying to justify continuing the genocide.
Now Netanyahu is warning that 'Iran' might nuke Mar-a-Logo
