Does anyone understand calorie deficit?

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Stick to using your apps and monitors because, yes, they may be off a tad, but if you keep using the same ones, they will provide a good baseline. The same with calories on a product, are they exact, no, but again, it provides a guide, and once you learn what works, you know how to adjust.

Bodybuilding, especially if using gear, is a different scenario than someone trying to lose weight and gain some muscle naturally.
This is my plan. I know none of it is exact but it is a baseline I can work with.
 
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You need to be a super human to endure such a work out. I sold my elliptical after 3 months. I would hop on it and walk for what i felt like 30 minutes only to look at the timer to find out I was only 3 minutes in :ROFLMAO:
Last year I did the entire winter. Every day. Some like 190 days straights. When my mind is on a goal, I make it work. I often tell myself that today with be a low and slow day and it never ends up being that way.

I put the TV on, watch 2 episodes of whatever show I'm streaming and then poof - I'm done before I know it.

I worked up to a resistance level of 10 last year and this winter I'm starting at 10 and seeing how high I can go.

Helps to have the right machine. Mine is by bowflex so very strong and steady, glides nicely.
 

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It's difficult to calculate or estimate your maintenance calories. There may be up to 20% error. It's also difficult to calculate the daily calories consumed since it requires meticulously measuring of everything you eat. Also, there's a margin of error in the nutrition facts and calorie estimates on food packaging and food websites that give calorific information.

I no longer count calories since I now have a good idea of how many calories the foods I eat contain, so I just make a rough, visual estimation. The most helpful and useful indicator to me that I'm on a calorie deficit is that I'm feeling hungry, for several hours a day. Hunger means I'm not consuming enough calories, that I'm in a deficit and that I'm burning fat.

You don't have to starve yourself but you need to feel hungry every day, for several hours, or you are not in a calorific deficit and hence not burning fat. It's that simple.
 

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It's difficult to calculate or estimate your maintenance calories. There may be up to 20% error. It's also difficult to calculate the daily calories consumed since it requires meticulously measuring of everything you eat. Also, there's a margin of error in the nutrition facts and calorie estimates on food packaging and food websites that give calorific information.

I no longer count calories since I now have a good idea of how many calories the foods I eat contain, so I just make a rough, visual estimation. The most helpful and useful indicator to me that I'm on a calorie deficit is that I'm feeling hungry, for several hours a day. Hunger means I'm not consuming enough calories, that I'm in a deficit and that I'm burning fat.

You don't have to starve yourself but you need to feel hungry every day, for several hours, or you are not in a calorific deficit and hence not burning fat. It's that simple.
When I'm off my game, I can be a one meal a day eater and it is because I don't feel hungry. When I am on my game I have set alarms to eat small portions multiple times a day. It is like forcing myself to eat.

This is why things can easily go the wrong way for me when working out daily. Because I will struggle to eat enough healthy calories multiple times a day. And can go too far into a deficit and then my body will hold on hard to that weight because I am in starvation mode and I don't even feel it.

At the same time though, I can eat a whole double burger combo with dessert once a day and still feel like there is room for more even if I don't feel hungry.

I have no other vices or issues but food. It is hard to get the balance right. When dieting but even more when not dieting. I slowly try to introduce some carbs and can't seem to get the balance right.

Oh well. I will lose again this winter and try again in the summer to maintain.
 

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When I'm off my game, I can be a one meal a day eater and it is because I don't feel hungry. When I am on my game I have set alarms to eat small portions multiple times a day. It is like forcing myself to eat.

This is why things can easily go the wrong way for me when working out daily. Because I will struggle to eat enough healthy calories multiple times a day. And can go too far into a deficit and then my body will hold on hard to that weight because I am in starvation mode and I don't even feel it.

At the same time though, I can eat a whole double burger combo with dessert once a day and still feel like there is room for more even if I don't feel hungry.

I have no other vices or issues but food. It is hard to get the balance right. When dieting but even more when not dieting. I slowly try to introduce some carbs and can't seem to get the balance right.

Oh well. I will lose again this winter and try again in the summer to maintain.
Starvation mode takes several months to kick in. I can lose 10 lbs of pure fat in 10-12 weeks, without going into Starvation mode. After 3 months, fat loss is slower for me so I only do this for 2-3 months.
 

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My dad is 84. He's been taken 2-3 walks per day for about 25 years now. He is solid as a rock.
That generation is different though... My mom is 91 and had Asthma since she was 40...but daily walks to the market and take us to school and fetch us in the afternoon (no bus rides) did great for her...she has always been slim, watched what she eats up to now...never liked fast food...mostly home cooking but we ate ll meats...they are built different i would say.
 

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Starvation mode takes several months to kick in. I can lose 10 lbs of pure fat in 10-12 weeks, without going into Starvation mode. After 3 months, fat loss is slower for me so I only do this for 2-3 months.
Which is why I am making sure I am doing it right the first time now. Last winter, about half way through, it was a struggle to lose and that is because I had my calculations all fucked up from the beginning and slowed my metabolism right down. Hoping to avoid that this year. Fingers crossed.
 
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This makes no sense. How do you not calculate calories. The only way to lose weight is calories in vrs calories out.

I'm not looking for exact numbers. I looking for general. You have to measure them in some capacity.
I believe you are incorrect that the only way to lose weight is net calorie reduction. Read a few books: "Good Calories, Bad Calories", and also "The Obesity Code". Caloric restriction diets do not work long tern, nor due excessive exercise programs. I am talking GENRERALLY and PERMANENTLY. They make you ravenously hungry, requiring enormous willpower to overcome. And it makes no sense.

Your HORMONES control your weight. They control your growth weight as a child, Your movement through puberty, they decide when you stop growing. And they set your weight. And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. You can for awhile, you can lose massive amounts of weight, but your body will fight back. Virtually all the winners on "The Biggest Loser" have gained the weight back - and worse.

Wild animals EATING A NATURAL DIET do not get obese except in the case of animals that require obesity for survival. Let lions or crocodiles or giraffes or toads eat all the natural food they want and they will not become obese. Obesity stops them from being able to live properly.

What other animals get the same diseases that humans do - i.e. cancer etc, and ALSO get obese?

PETS. Why? Because we do not feed THEM a natural diet. We feed them pretty much a human diet which they don't eat in the wild.

This is what Blue Buffalo Blues Stew contains:


BLUE Country Chicken Stew brings the home cooking experience to your canine companion. Packed with tasty chunks of chicken, whole peas, diced potatoes and carrots all smothered in thick, savoury gravy, your pal will find this recipe irresistible.

Dogs/wolves don't eat peas, potatos, carrots in the wild, and you can bet the gravy has flour filler.


What do wolves eat? ANIMALS, pretty much 100%. What do pet dogs, which are pretty much domesticated wolves, eat? Nowhere near 100% meat, there are grains and vegetables and crap in their food that they are not actually designed to eat.

The dieting industry should be sued because virtually none of their systems work.

This is a good article:


(I don't know what plan the program promotes).
 
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I believe you are incorrect that the only way to lose weight is net calorie reduction. Read a few books: "Good Calories, Bad Calories", and also "The Obesity Code". Caloric restriction diets do not work long tern, nor due excessive exercise programs. I am talking GENRERALLY and PERMANENTLY.

Your HORMONES control your weight. They control your growth weight as a child, Your movement through puberty, they decide when you stop growing. And they set your weight. And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. You can for awhile, you can lose massive amounts of weight, but your body will fight back. Virtually all the winners on "The Biggest Loser" have gained the weight back - and worse.

Wild animals EATING A NATURAL DIET do not get obese except in the case of animals that require obesity for survival. Let lions eat all the natural food they want and they will not become obese. Obesity stops them from being able to hunt properly.

What other animals get the same diseases that humans do - i.e. cancer etc?

PETS. Why? Because we do not feed THEM a natural diet. What do wolves eat?

ANIMALS, pretty much 100%. What do pet dogs eat? Nowhere near 100% meat, there are grains and vegetables and crap in there that they are not actually designed to eat.

The dieting industry should be sued because virtually none of their systems work.

This is a good article:


(I don't know what plan the program promotes).
So basically fuck it, nothing is going to work and just live with whatever you have????? That is your advice.... LOL sure. Ok. Let me get on that.
 
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So basically fuck it, nothing is going to work and just live with whatever you have????? That is your advice.... LOL sure. Ok. Let me get on that.
I don't recall saying that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
 

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I don't recall saying that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
That is basically what you said. Hormones dictate, you can’t willpower hormones into anything. Done deal.

If that is not the gist of your post, by all means explain what you are saying then because that is exactly how it reads.
 

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That is basically what you said. Hormones dictate, you can’t willpower hormones into anything. Done deal.

If that is not the gist of your post, by all means explain what you are saying then because that is exactly how it reads.
No, that is not exactly how it reads. I discussed TWO methods of weight loss methods, and I said the evidence show that they actually don't work.

YOUR assumption is that those are the only two methods. That is incorrect. Why would you assume that?
 
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No, that is not exactly how it reads. I discussed TWO methods of weight loss methods, and I said the evidence show that they actually don't work.

YOUR assumption is that those are the only two methods. That is incorrect. Why would you assume that?
That is exactly how it reads. Hormonally is the only way weight works. It dictates everything from childhood and beyond. That is what you said. “And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. “. Your words exactly.

But whatever - I'm not getting into a back and forth with you. Especially when you go back and a few more paragraphs to your original post trying to make it appear different then what it was. I will not be taking your advice and I'm fine with that. Have a good night. You can have the last word if you need it, my will power will simply ignore you going forward.
 

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Forget about calories. Think only nutrition. 100 calories of junk and 1000 calories of nutrient rich food are NOT the same.
 

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That is exactly how it reads. Hormonally is the only way weight works. It dictates everything from childhood and beyond. That is what you said. “And it is virtually impossible to "out-willpower" your hormones. “. Your words exactly.

But whatever - I'm not getting into a back and forth with you. Especially when you go back and a few more paragraphs to your original post trying to make it appear different then what it was. I will not be taking your advice and I'm fine with that. Have a good night.
You are now glossing over your clear error in saying that because I have ruled out two popular methods of weight loss, that I have said that nothing works, I said nothing of the kind.
 

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I haven't read every single response and if I'm repeating, then I apologize.

Think of your intake in these terms: if it walks, swims, flies or grows, then you can eat it. Anything man made - avoid.

Not all calories are the same. Stick to organic foods. You don't have to count calories. Stop consuming processed sugar or wheat products, and you will have a chance to change.
 
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Jenisis: I also have NOT made my original post appear different than it was. Please show me where I said in my original post that nothing works?

You seem to have no problem with engaging in a lot of back and forths until you can't back up your statements/logic.

It is the linguistic equivalent of stomping away when an argument goes against you.
 

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I haven't read every single response and if I'm repeating, then I apologize.

Think of your intake in these terms: if it walks, swims, flies or grows, then you can eat it. Anything man made - avoid.

Not all calories are the same. Stick to organic foods. You don't have to count calories. Stop consuming processed sugar or wheat products, and you may have a chance.
Yes, yes yes, I believe you are on the right path.
 
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