She will probably get paid off. She was well back from the road and the check point. Her car was detained not her and there is no justifiable reason for the Boarder Officer to order her to back up. Plainly he got angry and assaulted the lady. Good thing she got it on video or it would be her word against two Boarder patrol officers. I as a citizen expected Officers to be more professional and calm when dealing with the public.
✿ She got her ass fried - Legal or not? You be the judge!
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She is a alpha she/male that was gyrating her hips and twirling her her strap on fake dick appendage and challenging the border control officers. By nature she can not help herself except to mouth off. Imagine if she had later become a border control officer herself, she is a prime candidate for such a job. Just imagine if she was a border control agent and giving you the shit end of the stick.
The border control agents had probable cause, they gave her ample warning she was loud and uncooperative. How the game goes is that she may press charges and sue them but the government has deep pockets for lawyers and can not allow any precedents to be set. They will also throw every charge they can at her. They can charge her with interfering with the duties of a LE officer. Since 911 the powers of LE and border control agents in the US has been greatly expanded.
Did they have probable cause? That to me seems an open question.
You don't think that a case like this may may well either be handed pro bono or that various organizations such as the ACLU will be willing to fund litigation?
Probable cause is not clearly defined in the law. We do not know what happened in the initial contact the female border control agent had with the woman. She may have refused to answer questions and was evasive and uncooperative. Handling a clear cut case is one thing, this case is by no means clear cut. Handling an angry hysterical client is another matter.
As I said previously IMO the hysterical woman is a alpha she/male that was gyrating her hips and twirling her her strap on fake dick appendage and challenging the border control officers. Since 911 the dickless angry border control agents have also gotten strap ons of their own and if you challenge them they will show you who is boss.
As I said previously IMO the hysterical woman is a alpha she/male that was gyrating her hips and twirling her her strap on fake dick appendage and challenging the border control officers. Since 911 the dickless angry border control agents have also gotten strap ons of their own and if you challenge them they will show you who is boss.
Indeed so. Again no we do not. Refusing to answer questions does not provide probable cause. Indeed it is not clear cut - hence why I already posted that unless the Government rolls-over, this case may well find its way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Unless the Border Patrol as some amazingly convincing evidence, I have a feeling that the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of New York may well refuse to prosecute then it boils down to is an interest group willing to fund civil litigation against the Border Patrol.
I can't believe the completely assinine comments in this thread. Do you folks actually support the bullshit you spew?
Do you not realize the bigger picture? I'm sure you don't so let me put it in perspective for you.
Your sorry asses should be pulled over for looking like you had sex with a prostitute. - Thats probable cause in the same way as looking nervous or looking suspicious. How about looking black or looking latino too? Or looking foreign?
Now you should wait for a very long time, detained, while they get a k9 to come sniff your dick.
Wake the f up folks, think a bit. Your rights are being trampled on every bloody day - your failure to stand up for them ensures you will lose them.
Do you not realize the bigger picture? I'm sure you don't so let me put it in perspective for you.
Your sorry asses should be pulled over for looking like you had sex with a prostitute. - Thats probable cause in the same way as looking nervous or looking suspicious. How about looking black or looking latino too? Or looking foreign?
Now you should wait for a very long time, detained, while they get a k9 to come sniff your dick.
Wake the f up folks, think a bit. Your rights are being trampled on every bloody day - your failure to stand up for them ensures you will lose them.
Cops do similar stuff here when they set up a road block and check everyone for impaired driving, or stop everyone who drive out of a parking lot of a plaza with a bar in it, or question guys who are standing outside a hotel while texting, or stop people at night walking around areas with a high crime rate.
The big picture is we are losing our rights, but think the discussion is when you are stopped is that the right time to get in the cops face and take a stand.
Very astute, KBear.
You will not likely accomplish anything societally tangible in getting in his face at that moment unless you record and get broad public exposure of the encounter. It may exact a huge person price though.... including getting arrested, jailed, shot, tased or beaten.
One thing for sure though is that letting your pride and indignantly trying to bully the cop back is not a prudent action.
She could be seen as a freedom fighter taking one for the team? I could see that side of it, and she did a good job. Being stopped and searched at a check point is total BS for sure.
As already posted the success or failure of this woman's argument principally hangs or falls on whether the courts see this as truly a border related activity or whether they see is as more of an interior checkpoint and as part of that whether Rodriguez v. U.S. is applicable law.
It may not be prudent if you are looking to save your ass from a fight. You are SURE not to accomplish jack if you don't do it at the time.
However that video has garnered a boatload of press, and the comments on the video illustrate a huge problem with so called L.E.
Fighting for your rights at the time of 'suspicion' is the right thing to do, especially with a camera rolling. Sadly not many of us have the balls to do it, and are too lazy or scared to do it after anyway.
You should be commending this woman, instead you are cowering with your subservient tail between your legs. That "Yes officer let me lick your shoes when you tell me to" idealogy people have, has to go.
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/Border-Patrol-Taped-Visiting-Tasered-Womans-Home-303333241.html
I am not cowering nor am I subservient. I do applaud this woman for what she did.
I intended to encourage more discussion along the lines of the issue KBear raised, that of what exactly will be accomplished at the moment. I also suggest that losing your temper is not smart.
You need to know when to take advantage and when to be more careful. For example, being pulled aside for secondary inspection at Customs is NOT the time to stet mouthing off, lest you want to risk being banned from the US.
Two examples from my personal experience:
1. I was pulled over for a burned out headlight Fair stop. Cop asked what I had in the back of my vehicle under a blanket and I told him what was there. He asked if I minded him having a look. I said that, with due respect, that although I have nothing to hide, I would not consent to a search but that I would not interfere with him. He said, "Oh you know your law, are you a lawyer or something?"
I politely replied that I think we all should know our rights under the Charter as it makes for a better society. He replied that he could "make this stop difficult and write a book of tickets".
I replied that I suppose it would be as easy for me to request a trial for ten tickets as for the headlight ticket and that I think the JP might consider that ten tickets was some sort of evidence of retaliation for my lack of consent to his request to search my vehicle.
Surprisingly, the cop replied that he appreciated me being civil and not loosing my cool and getting angry etc. I said I know he is just doing his job protecting society but that I am just doing the same thing! He laughed and told me to to get lost, he didn't have time to write me a ticket now.
Second example was driving down I-75. Got stopped by Deputy Beaufort T. Justice with more fucking flashing lights than a UFO. License, ownership and insurance. Asked where I was going. Said this was a known corridor for interstate drug transportation and asked if I would mind if he had "a look around yer veeeee-HICKLE" .
Now, he had no probable grounds but I was not a US citizen so was unaware of my rights as a non-citizen (US and CDN Constitutional/Charter rights have different applicability in Canada vs USA vis a vis "person" or citizen) and I knew that the more cooperative and polite I was, the faster I got rid of him and got on my way to where I was going.
I agreed and he replied, that (agreeing to the search) was "good enough" and let me on my way.
I intended to encourage more discussion along the lines of the issue KBear raised, that of what exactly will be accomplished at the moment. I also suggest that losing your temper is not smart.
You need to know when to take advantage and when to be more careful. For example, being pulled aside for secondary inspection at Customs is NOT the time to stet mouthing off, lest you want to risk being banned from the US.
Two examples from my personal experience:
1. I was pulled over for a burned out headlight Fair stop. Cop asked what I had in the back of my vehicle under a blanket and I told him what was there. He asked if I minded him having a look. I said that, with due respect, that although I have nothing to hide, I would not consent to a search but that I would not interfere with him. He said, "Oh you know your law, are you a lawyer or something?"
I politely replied that I think we all should know our rights under the Charter as it makes for a better society. He replied that he could "make this stop difficult and write a book of tickets".
I replied that I suppose it would be as easy for me to request a trial for ten tickets as for the headlight ticket and that I think the JP might consider that ten tickets was some sort of evidence of retaliation for my lack of consent to his request to search my vehicle.
Surprisingly, the cop replied that he appreciated me being civil and not loosing my cool and getting angry etc. I said I know he is just doing his job protecting society but that I am just doing the same thing! He laughed and told me to to get lost, he didn't have time to write me a ticket now.
Second example was driving down I-75. Got stopped by Deputy Beaufort T. Justice with more fucking flashing lights than a UFO. License, ownership and insurance. Asked where I was going. Said this was a known corridor for interstate drug transportation and asked if I would mind if he had "a look around yer veeeee-HICKLE" .
Now, he had no probable grounds but I was not a US citizen so was unaware of my rights as a non-citizen (US and CDN Constitutional/Charter rights have different applicability in Canada vs USA vis a vis "person" or citizen) and I knew that the more cooperative and polite I was, the faster I got rid of him and got on my way to where I was going.
I agreed and he replied, that (agreeing to the search) was "good enough" and let me on my way.
