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Phil C. McNasty

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I'm not a big fan of hunting either, but I also know that some animals need to be hunted otherwise their population will get out of control.
You can already start to see that with the coyotes in the GTA.

Having said that, you had better wish you had a semi-auto rifle instead of a single shot bolt if you're being charged by a grizzly bear.
By the time you've reloaded your single bolt that grizzly is probably already on you and has started eating your face.
With a semi you can pump half a dozen bullets into that bear within a second or two, effectively ending the attack
 

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I'm not a big fan of hunting either, but I also know that some animals need to be hunted otherwise their population will get out of control.
You can already start to see that with the coyotes in the GTA.

Having said that, you had better wish you had a semi-auto rifle instead of a single shot bolt if you're being charged by a grizzly bear.
By the time you've reloaded your single bolt that grizzly is probably already on you and has started eating your face.
With a semi you can pump half a dozen bullets into that bear within a second or two, effectively ending the attack
He's never been hunting in his life. Even his story about being on a hunting trip is questionable because he thinks people with semi auto rifles can be careless and put dozens of rounds in an animal, which is not possible unless 6 guys line up and shoot at the same animal in rapid fire because the magazine limit when hunting is 5 rounds.

He doesn't know anything about hunting, firearms or the shooting sports. He makes assumptions about the type of people involved in these activities. Every single post he makes about firearms reveals he really knows nothing on this topic.
 

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He doesn't know anything about hunting, firearms or the shooting sports. He makes assumptions about the type of people involved in these activities. Every single post he makes about firearms reveals he really knows nothing on this topic.
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In his defence, I think he said he sat around and got drunk while the other guys hunted.
 

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This is not your first post on this topic. I've explained before. You've been given plenty. Use the search function, or have you forgotten you take this stance all the time.

You still choose to remain ignorant about the subject and refuse to learn.
Was that the thread where you said we need semi-autos to hunt wild hogs? A semi-auto is detrimental to a hunter. It's less accurate and doesn't encourage learning to aim. And as I said, I base this on hunters who I know who would laugh at anyone who preferred a semi over a bolt.
 

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I have no issues with anyone having a different opinion. I have an issue with your belief that my property should be taken away based on your opinion. ...
Ahh, the gun lobby gun grabbing claims.

In case you missed it, these things are determine don government opinion, not mine.
 

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He's never been hunting in his life. Even his story about being on a hunting trip is questionable because he thinks people with semi auto rifles can be careless and put dozens of rounds in an animal, which is not possible unless 6 guys line up and shoot at the same animal in rapid fire because the magazine limit when hunting is 5 rounds.

He doesn't know anything about hunting, firearms or the shooting sports. He makes assumptions about the type of people involved in these activities. Every single post he makes about firearms reveals he really knows nothing on this topic.
And yet you haven't bothered putting a cogent argument about why the utility of semis outweigh their risk other than some argument that wild pigs may run away too fast.

Yes, I prefer a nice scotch and a campfire over shooting animals but I do listen to the people I was out with. Proud of both.
 

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I'm not a big fan of hunting either, but I also know that some animals need to be hunted otherwise their population will get out of control.
You can already start to see that with the coyotes in the GTA.

Having said that, you had better wish you had a semi-auto rifle instead of a single shot bolt if you're being charged by a grizzly bear.
By the time you've reloaded your single bolt that grizzly is probably already on you and has started eating your face.
With a semi you can pump half a dozen bullets into that bear within a second or two, effectively ending the attack
So we need semi-auto rifles in the extremely rare occasion that a grizz attacks you? Of course a long gun may not be the best option for a rapidly approaching bear. It's not as if they start their charge 100 m away.
 

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So we need semi-auto rifles in the extremely rare occasion that a grizz attacks you? Of course a long gun may not be the best option for a rapidly approaching bear. It's not as if they start their charge 100 m away.
Yet another ignorant statement. What else is he supposed to use for bear defense? Every single time you provide a response, you show you don't know anything. Stop being a keyboard expert on something you know nothing about.

Your statement about having a semi auto doesn't encourage you to aim clearly shows you've never shot a rifle, and these hunters you speak about are completely fictional.

Either educate yourself or stop posting misinformation.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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So we need semi-auto rifles in the extremely rare occasion that a grizz attacks you? Of course a long gun may not be the best option for a rapidly approaching bear. It's not as if they start their charge 100 m away
There's another reason why a semi is often better when hunting.
If you use a single bolt rifle you have only one shot to take out a deer or black bear.
Reloading would take 2 or 3 seconds and by that time the animal has already run away from the sound of the gunfire.
So if you miss you just shoot 4 more times with a semi and you'll probably kill it with the remaining 4 bullets.

And that concludes todays lesson in hunting
 
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You mean basketcase is full of shit? Shocker....

The idea that semi-autos promote "spray and pray" (I guess it does with cops) is like saying automatic transmissions promote distracted driving, except there's more truth to the latter.

Bolt-action rifles were...gasp...adapted from actual warfare to be used for hunting. Their prevalence in big game hunting has more to do with "tradition" and cost effectiveness than it does whatever bullshit basketcase spews about that one time he was allegedly in hunting camp, drinking by the fire while his buddies hunted. :rolleyes:
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I actually didnt know Canada limits magazines to 5 bullets now. You learn something new every day I guess
 
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Yet another ignorant statement. What else is he supposed to use for bear defense? ...
In most cases, nothing is needed. Tens of thousands of people spend time every summer in grizzly bear territory with fewer issues than guns being used for suicide. In polar bear country, guides tend to carry high calibre bolt actions. It's the same argument as the irresponsible/illegal gun advocates who were saying you should carry a gun to prevent carjackings.


And sorry but semi-autos are less accurate the bolt actions. If you take the time to learn to shoot then one bullet is all a hunter needs. Being able to fire a second shot immediately after is only useful for people who can't hit their target the first time.
 

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There's another reason why a semi is often better when hunting.
If you use a single bolt rifle you have only one shot to take out a deer or black bear.
Reloading would take 2 or 3 seconds and by that time the animal has already run away from the sound of the gunfire.
So if you miss you just shoot 4 more times with a semi and you'll probably kill it with the remaining 4 bullets.

And that concludes todays lesson in hunting
Hunters do this thing called taking their time to aim. If you can't hit your target, you shouldn't be using a rifle in the wild.
 

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You mean basketcase is full of shit? Shocker....

The idea that semi-autos promote "spray and pray" (I guess it does with cops) is like saying automatic transmissions promote distracted driving, except there's more truth to the latter.

Bolt-action rifles were...gasp...adapted from actual warfare to be used for hunting. Their prevalence in big game hunting has more to do with "tradition" and cost effectiveness than it does whatever bullshit basketcase spews about that one time he was allegedly in hunting camp, drinking by the fire while his buddies hunted. :rolleyes:
Yet bolt actions are more accurate and you're admitting that semi's aren't needed.
 

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Hunters do this thing called taking their time to aim. If you can't hit your target, you shouldn't be using a rifle in the wild.
Is that what your "hunting buddy" told you while you spent the whole trip tending the fire?

If he's actually real, does he go hunting with just one round in his possession? Doubtful, I even bet you that there's more than one cartridge loaded in his rifle while he's out hunting.

"One shot" is well intentioned, but in reality, people have back up plans in case something goes wrong.

Do you only put enough gas in the tank for your planned trip on any given day?

There's nothing wrong with semi-auto that wasn't depicted as being wrong, for political gain. I'd go as far to argue that semi-auto was the compromise.
 
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Was that the thread where you said we need semi-autos to hunt wild hogs? A semi-auto is detrimental to a hunter. It's less accurate and doesn't encourage learning to aim. And as I said, I base this on hunters who I know who would laugh at anyone who preferred a semi over a bolt.
Tell me.
In most cases, nothing is needed. Tens of thousands of people spend time every summer in grizzly bear territory with fewer issues than guns being used for suicide. In polar bear country, guides tend to carry high calibre bolt actions. It's the same argument as the irresponsible/illegal gun advocates who were saying you should carry a gun to prevent carjackings.


And sorry but semi-autos are less accurate the bolt actions. If you take the time to learn to shoot then one bullet is all a hunter needs. Being able to fire a second shot immediately after is only useful for people who can't hit their target the first time.
You have just confirmed my previous suspicion you have no idea what competition pressure is like. Now I know you've never been in a high-pressure situation, and never been in any sort of competition. You've never pushed yourself to your limits, yet expect everyone else to perform perfectly.

You are absolutely unbelievable. A guy who doesn't shoot or hunt lecturing that if you take the time to aim, then one bullet is all a hunter needs. You don't even know how to aim. You make it sound like it's as easy and relaxing as making yourself a cup of coffee. You clearly have no idea that even experienced hunters get excited and have to do their best to compose themselves, deal with tunnel vision, elevated heart rate, or the shakes being under the pressure to take a good shot. This is in addition to factors the hunter cannot control like unexpected movement of the animal. Instead, you harp on how a bolt action is more accurate when in a real world hunting scenario, where when you are not shooting with a bipod or shooting bag, the small difference in the accuracy of a bolt action is overshadowed by the hunter's physical limitations.

You're a complete and utter fraud. You're an armchair expert telling people who actually go out and do things that they don't know what they're doing.

Every time you post about firearms, you are wrong. Every time.

You are completely irrational, hating something you know nothing about and then go as far as to lie about knowing what hunters do because you've talked them.

Go learn by doing.
 
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As a legal gun owner, I find it very frustrating that I need to justify myself to begin with. I own guns because I want to. I do not do anything illegal with them. Now I am asked to also justify what type of gun I own. An order in counsel, without democratic process is used to make my legal property magically banned. Try applying this logic to anything else. Cars, cell phones, tobacco, alcohol, hobbies. Stop taking rights away from honest Canadians and hold criminals responsible for their actions. A guy gets caught smuggling 50 handguns across the border and gets 3 year sentence…serving less, and I’m the problem? It’s not about gun control, it’s about political control. The liberal media repeats their lies so often that basket cases believe them. They turned Armalite rifle into “assault rifle “ and basket cases believe them.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Hunters do this thing called taking their time to aim. If you can't hit your target, you shouldn't be using a rifle in the wild
Even the best hunters sometimes miss their target.

LOL... you really know nothing about this topic
 
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