A Great Night For Democrats: Referendum On Trump

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Let's not forget, Trump's fast approaching 80. He could literally have a heart attack or stroke at any time. He could fall down the stairs of Air Force One and break his hip. He would be out of the White House much sooner than expected. We really don't know the state of his health, both mentally or physically. Now, as much as I hate that Dorito-skinned asswipe, I do not wish that to happen. But the reality is, he's fucking old, and him making it to 2028 is not guaranteed. When he eventually passes,....we don't know who will inherit MAGA, nor if they will have the same sway that Trump did. I mean, I don't think Vance has, as the kids say, the rizz to pull it off.

I sort of think back to when Brian Mulroney stepped down as PM before the 1993 election, making Kim Campbell Canada's first female PM (for six weeks). She basically inherited a flaming bag of shit that resulted in the PC party being devastated by the Liberals...and taking the blame for the massive defeat. I can totally see Trump doing the same thing to an extent. I mean, I have a hard time seeing him step down, regardless of his health or mental state...But, I can totally see him not running in 2028, even if his minions found a way around the 22nd amendment. He's basically going to leave the proverbial flaming bag of shit for whomever succeeds him...
Vance will inherit the role and I'd expect it to happen in the next year, looking at the signs.
But I agree, it will be the end of MAGA.
 

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Maybe Newsom. There maybe a few other candidates.
I would say Shapiro is their best bet. Kinda iffy on Newsom...he's chasing a spot at JRE...just like the "repugs" there's a lot of rhinos democrats need to get rid of....
 

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I would say Shapiro is their best bet. Kinda iffy on Newsom...he's chasing a spot at JRE...just like the "repugs" there's a lot of rhinos democrats need to get rid of....
Shapiro is another, yes. Buttigieg might run as well.
But I don't like Shapiro or Newsom either, but they are the best the Dems can conjure up right now.
They are all out of touch mainstream dems who are AIPAC whores.
The Newsoms, Schumers, Pelosis, Buttigiegs, Bookers, Jeffries etc., need to go.
The left needs populist leaders like AOC, Mamdani etc.,
For people who say the swing states wont vote for them, I don't believe that.
If they can vote for a non-traditional candidate like Trump, I believe they can be convinced otherwise as well.
 
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Just goes to show you how stupid the voters are. Its bad enough that New Yorkers voted in a rabid socialist who will drive money out of the city, but even worse Virginians voted in an AG who is a vile POS.
My god, I so much agree with you. Electing Tronald Dump twice definitely shows you Americans are extremely stupid.
 
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So what am i looking at here? an officer trying to assist Trump who by the looks of it is still doing it on his own...LMAO...to be a fly on the wall iin wherever you are just scavenging for anything Trump on twitter...
You know that Ricky Gervais is laughing at Trump in this Meme?
 
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My god, I so much agree with you. Electing Tronald Dump twice definitely shows you Americans are extremely stupid.
LoL...I haven't heard Donald say, 2 bullets to his political opponent...
 

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Hard to say but I think if things go the way they are in the US, and I think it will get worse, even if it is not the mid terms, 2028 will not go well for the Republicans when Trump steps down and they are left without a leader with his level of cult status.
U.S. Presidential elections are yin and yang affairs.
Each party has to put up a candidate that appeals to the center more than the other party's candidate.

So who is that winning candidate for the Democrats? I'm asking not goading.
Will the Democrats coalesce around a candidate that can appeal to the center?
 

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Let's not forget, Trump's fast approaching 80. He could literally have a heart attack or stroke at any time. He could fall down the stairs of Air Force One and break his hip. He would be out of the White House much sooner than expected. We really don't know the state of his health, both mentally or physically. Now, as much as I hate that Dorito-skinned asswipe, I do not wish that to happen. But the reality is, he's fucking old, and him making it to 2028 is not guaranteed. When he eventually passes,....we don't know who will inherit MAGA, nor if they will have the same sway that Trump did. I mean, I don't think Vance has, as the kids say, the rizz to pull it off.
Rubio has stones.
 
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Shapiro is another, yes. Buttigieg might run as well.
But I don't like Shapiro or Newsom either, but they are the best the Dems can conjure up right now.
They are all out of touch mainstream dems who are AIPAC whores.
The Newsoms, Schumers, Pelosis, Buttigiegs, Bookers, Jeffries etc., need to go.
The left needs populist leaders like AOC, Mamdani etc.,
For people who say the swing states wont vote for them, I don't believe that.
If they can vote for a non-traditional candidate like Trump, I believe they can be convinced otherwise as well.
This is the poll that the dems really need to look at.

 
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U.S. Presidential elections are yin and yang affairs.
Each party has to put up a candidate that appeals to the center more than the other party's candidate.

So who is that winning candidate for the Democrats? I'm asking not goading.
Will the Democrats coalesce around a candidate that can appeal to the center?
I don't you can argue that trump appealed to the centre of the GOP.
Harris was the candidate that tried to attract republican voters along with the dems.
They tried it and it didn't work.

Far better just to return to the roots of the party and to back what voters want instead of donors.
 

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Each party has to put up a candidate that appeals to the center more than the other party's candidate.
I don't believe the "appeals to the center" argument anymore.
That is an outdated argument.
The overwhelming change we have seen in the US is that people have increasingly moved AWAY from the center, to either the right or the left, and have come to embrace populism.
The "center" is a dwindling political demographic and largely irrelevant.
And the only populists in the US right now are MAGA.
So the Dems need a populist candidate, or atleast the existing ones to embrace populist political positions.
 

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I would have to agree with you, but on that...who do you think is the democrat leader gonna be? AOC?
The Dems should nominate a Great Lakes moderate like Whitmer, Shapiro or Moore (stretching the boundary a bit) to appeal to the greatest number of voters. At this juncture, I don't know if the far left will tolerate a Jewish Democrat as nominee.

Newsom is smart and a good talker. I think there are two things to be concerned about him.
Is he too slick to be viewed as sincere nationally?
Will he be bogged down defending California's progressive policies on matters like taxes, energy, etc?
 

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I don't believe the "appeals to the center" argument anymore.
That is an outdated argument.
The overwhelming change we have seen in the US is that people have increasingly moved AWAY from the center, to either the right or the left, and have come to embrace populism.
The "center" is a dwindling political demographic and largely irrelevant.
And the only populists in the US right now are MAGA.
So the Dems need a populist candidate, or atleast the existing ones to embrace populist political positions.
The Dems should go for it.

Hatred of Trump often blinds people from understanding that he does not always pursue traditional conservatism.
Trump is very transactional which aggravates foes and friends alike.

More importantly, Vance, Rubio or whoever will be able to shape their platform. It will probably be a version of Trump-lite.
 
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