Abusive father forces six year old to run on treadmill until he died

[KittyCaterina]

It's the responsibility of the individual giving birth. In 2025, nobody has to give birth. It's a choice made by the individual that can give birth. Half the population cannot give birth; this half cannot compel the other party to give birth nor eliminate the birth.

We can continue to subsidize or reduce freebies. But that's besides the point.



All of those things protect an individual from physical harm to themselves. They're not analogous to pregnancy.

Pregnancy involves a separate individual, and pregnancy is not in and of itself physically harmful.

But again, this is besides the point. Consenting individuals should be allowed to engage in sexual activity with or without condoms.

The idea that condomless sex should be shunned because of childbirth is antiquated.

Abortion is not a form of birth control and can be very harmful to a woman's body, especially if done repeatedly.
It is also a painful and unpleasant procedure that can cause mental health repercussions for some.

If a man engages in sex without a condom, he is responsible for what may happen afterwards and whatever choice his sexual partner may make.
At least financially if he doesn't want to be in the child's life.

If a man isn't ready for a child, use a condom.
Simple.

 

[Jenesis]

That's fine, too. Many of those men will just continue to be deadbeat dads.

There are better solutions, if we want them.

Forcing single-income parenting or abortion are not better solutions. Thankfully there is FRO and wage garnishment.

Sorry but we are just going to have to agree to disagree and I will continue to be thankful for the laws we have and the people who make them. This is not a cake and eat it too world. The options are are equally fair.

 

[KittyCaterina]

Forcing single-income parenting or abortion are not better solutions. Thankfully there is FRO and wage garnishment.

Sorry but we are just going to have to agree to disagree and I will continue to be thankful for the laws we have and the people who make them. This is not a cake and eat it too world. The options are are equally fair.

His "solution" is that even though both parties decided to have unprotected sex, only one party, the female half, has to deal with the repercussions be it abortion or having a child alone with no support financial or otherwise from the father.

 

[Jenesis]

Abortion ensures that nobody has to be forced into parenthood at all, let alone single parenthood.

Forcing abortion is dangerous for many reasons. If he doesn’t want a kid, he doesn’t get to expect her to terminate it. He gets to take responsibility from the beginning and wrap it up.

 

[Jenesis]

His "solution" is that even though both parties decided to have unprotected sex, only one party, the female half, has to deal with the repercussions be it abortion or having a child alone with no support financial or otherwise from the father.

Oh I get that. Men should have fun but no accountability in his mind.

I don't know a single risk event that allows a person to have no risk. LOL.

 

[KittyCaterina]

Abortion ensures that nobody has to be forced into parenthood at all, let alone single parenthood.

Some women cannot have abortions depending on where they live or their religious and personal beliefs.

Men cannot force women to have abortions, this is taking away our rights as human beings and is a really scary way of thinking.
That men should be allowed to go around having unprotected sex and demanding women have their uterus scraped out and vacuumed out (while awake in most cases) when an unwanted pregnancy happens.

You are basically saying that a man enjoying unprotected sex is worth what a woman will have to go through during abortion.

 

[Jenesis]

I've never advocated forcing abortion on anyone. I would never agree with that.

That is basically what you are advocating for. Forced abortion by coercion.

It is like the vaccine mandate. You don’t have to get the vaccine but you can’t be employed here either. So lose your income and way of life or just get the damn vaccine. It is coercion and it is wrong.

 

[dubbleyou]

Don't want to risk becoming a dad but still want to have sex? Vasectomy!

 

[KittyCaterina]

I wouldn't like it.

I would wonder why my mother chooses to repeatedly abuse herself in such a way.

But it's her body, her choice.

So when a man has unprotected sex you celebrate it and think there should be no stigma surrounding it.

When a woman does the same, she is abusing herself?

And you say that OUR way of thinking is antiquated?!

 

[Jenesis]

I'm saying that there is unequal risk between parties.

Sex requires both men and women, but only women have to worry about everything from pregnancy, to childbirth, to abortions, to potential single-parenthood if the guy is a fly-by-nighter.

If men could get pregnant, I think they'd be having a lot less sex than they do now because they would assume far greater risk than they do now.

You may ALSO think that but that is not what you have been saying at all.

But since it is summer and I have to keep up with my fishing wake up times even if I’m not fishing, 4am comes soon and I need to get my beauty sleep. If I feel like it, I’ll come back tomorrow. In the meantime post what you want, I don’t really care about singular opinions on the matter at this point.

 

[southpaw]

It shouldn't matter if it's wrapped or not.

But it does. Just like it matters if the guy in a car crash was wearing his seatbelt, or the guy on the bike was wearing a helmet. Or the guy with lung cancer was a smoker. Or the guy with liver disease was an alcoholic.

Here's something I thought they taught in grade school. When a man sticks his penis in a woman's vagina and ejaculates, that's how babies get made! If you don't want a baby, cover your dick.

 

[southpaw]

No, that's how pregnancy begins.

Children are made after a 9 month process with a birthing event.

LOL "birthing event." Every human being who has ever existed had a birthing event. Even surrogates provide a birthing event.

 

[KittyCaterina]

This is more of an American debate issue than a Canadian one.



Men will never have the legal right to force abortions on anyone.



Men cannot go around having sex, let alone unprotected sex, without the consent of a woman.

With regard to pregnancy avoidance, how does the birth control pill and morning after pill fit into this scenario?

Why does condomless sex immediately result in vacuumed and scraped out uteruses.

Because you are saying that men should be able to go around having unprotected sex without judgements or scruples and without responsibility IF a pregnancy happens!

And that they should be able to make the decision of abortion for the woman who becomes pregnant!

By your standards, say a man gets a woman pregnant a he wants to be a father to it more than anything in the world... The woman should be able to have the baby and decide that the father will have NOTHING to do with her child.
Right?
We should be able to just take a man's child away from him?

My responses are directly related to your posts, you brought up abortion.

 

[KittyCaterina]

We've already discussed how these are not analogous.



They did but the teaching failed to consider the nuances of how life actually works.



No, that's how pregnancy begins.

Babies are made after a 9 month process capped off with a birthing event.

There is no baby (or even a human) until that event takes place.

Wow.

I am pro choice (until a certain gestation period unless there is significant risk to life) but jesus effing christ, we all know that at certain point BEFORE a healthy non-premature birth, a baby is fully developed.

To say they are only human after birth is insanity and disgusting.

You are basically stating that an eight month and 20 days old baby is not a human and is OK to chop up and abort.
YES, once a baby is large enough and has full limbs, they chop off the limbs and basically massacre the child (who at that point can feel pain), so that they can literally vacuum the baby through the dilated cervix.

Do you even understand the reality of late-term abortions?

Sorry for being graphic to everyone else, but this guy...

I cannot believe that in another post this person casually states that a woman has 9 MONTHS to decide if she wants to abort a baby or not!

In Canada, unless there are extenuating circumstances and significant health risk, most if not all abortion providers refuse to go past 12 weeks and will only go up to 24 weeks for the above risks.

 

[HungSowel]

The most straight forward solution to cumming bareback without consequences is to make abortion mandatory.

 

[richaceg]

Let him run the threadmill as a death penalty...

 

[Jenesis]

For the sake of argument, I took the most radical pro-choice stance, but let's use your numbers instead.

The pregnant woman has up to 6 months (not 9 months) to decide to go through with birth or eliminate the pregnancy. Alternatively, she can also not have sex, only have protected sex, use birth control pill, or use the morning after pill.

That's a full deck of options to kibosh having a kid, and all the power rests in her hands exclusively.

There's irony in having this discussion with people involved in sex work. Women in sex work have sex with hundreds or thousands of men. Most times protected, sometimes not. Yet the sex worker and the men they're having sex with partake without concern for having a child.

Why? Because avoiding pregnancy and avoiding childbirth is simple.

The sex worker understands that it's her responsibility to stay safe and to not get pregnant, but if she gets pregnant it's her responsibility to deal with it. She cannot depend on Joe Dirt who she just met whose seed hit the jackpot to stick around and become a father.

The argument is consistent.

Your argument suggests that hobbyists should be prepared to raise a child every time they have sex with an SP (condoms break, nothing is 100% effective), which I think is preposterous.

There is an understanding that the encounter is for entertainment, companionship, and sexual pleasure. Nothing more.

The same goes for one night stands, bootycalls, and relationships where the man states that he doesn't want to be a father.

It doesn't matter what the sex is or who it is with. Don't want to have a child, take precautions. You have pointed out that escorts usually do with some other form of birth control besides relying on condoms, so men should do the same.

Get a vasectomy until you are ready to have children. Control your own body. The power is in your hands as well.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Get a vesticomy until you are ready to have children. Control your own body. The power is in your hands as well

Its called a vasectomy.

And you do know that vasectomy reversals arent always guaranteed to be successfull, right??

Google Search

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Vasectomies are reversible, but success rates vary. The chances of regaining fertility after a vasectomy reversal can range from 30% to 90%, depending on factors like the type of procedure, the time since the original vasectomy, and individual factors. While the surgery itself to reconnect the vas deferens has a high success rate (around 90%), this doesn't always guarantee pregnancy

 

[Jenesis]

Its called a vasectomy.

And you do know that vasectomy reversals arent always guaranteed to be successfull, right??

Neither is the pill and that does more harm to the female body then a vasectomy. But men like to rely on that and then pissed off when it doesn't work.

Don't want kids - don't have sex. Is that better?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Neither is the pill and that does more harm to the female body then a vasectomy. But men like to rely on that and then pissed off when it doesn't work.

Don't want kids - don't have sex. Is that better?

No, its not better