Maybe it's like other tickets. They just don't want the courts to fill up with every Joe-Lunchbox playing Perry Mason. Maybe with red lights ticket it's easier for the Crown to just to drop it and move on. I mean the cameras are Cash Cows. The cameras must generate 100's of tickets per day per camera. If they loose 10% big deal.
Anyone fought a red light camera ticket?
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And why??? Because people failed to stop for a red light by either entering the intersection when the light is red or by failing to stop at a red when making a right turn. It's the easiest tickets to avoid. You know there's an amber light between the green and red. This is to warn you that the light is about to change to red so you have time to safely stop. Many intersections also have pedestrian count-down timers which is visible from a fair distance from the intersection to give warning of the signal change.
Many accidents happen as a result of people running red lights. Typically, a driver is waiting to make a left turn, the light turns red, the driver proceeds and is t-boned by the car running the red.
I have no sympathy for those getting nailed for something that is potentially life threatening and so easy to avoid. I've never had a ticket for running a red and most likely never will.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLZ6GyOmb08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS0NW1X_Njw
Not that it matters but a red light camera ticket has no points. The owner of the car is charged. They cannot prove who was driving.
I suspect that after the question of car speed on the ticket was clarified we are not going to hear back from OP.
Wrong Afterhours.
But thanks for posting that link. It makes an otherwise incomprehensible set of numbers, partially understandable. You guys have to see these data stamps it to believe it. Chaos. For a start, there are two different photos with identical time stamps. The second photo of another car, (mine is nowhere to be seen) has a speed of 28 Km. The link explains that that is the speed of the first photographed car. Mine. But as I said earlier, my car is not visible in the second picture.
Unfortunately, Mervyn, the blinker is not indicating, but blinkers by their nature, are off for the same amount of time that they are on, so as far as a single still photo is concerned nothing is provable either way.
But by comparing the time/date on my receipt from the Fairview Apple store, with the time/date on my gas purchase, and showing my GPS’s route calculation to the nearest gas station from Fairview Mall, I should be able to prove that was turning. It should be obvious from the damn picture.
So, basically, it means I was turning a corner at 28 Km, (but probably slowing), on a light that had just changed 0.6 seconds prior. At 28 Km/hour a vehicle travels .004666 Km in 0.6 seconds. So the light was yellow as I was (183 inches from the line.) To put that in perspective, that’s about 8 inches less than the overall length of my car - and just to repeat this once again - moving at 28 Km an hour.
By the time the second photo was taken I was around and gone, and no longer visible. The East and west lanes would still have had reds as I made the turn.
Illegal? Who knows. But I like my chances in court. I spoke to a cop, and he said the crown would probably drop it, but I still have to waste a day. And by the way, would a cop have laid a charge if he'd been there. No way. Should this investigative drone asshole have done so? Like hell.
I’ll post the outcome when it all shakes out.
Oh, and OldGoat? Sorry about complaining about what I feel is a personal injustice. I forgot that complaining about injustice and waste is the sole purview of dried-up old lefties such as yourself. My bad.
How old are you actually, you old curmudgeon?
I wonder what were you doing back in the 80’s when I was a platoon commander in the Canadian Armed Forces Reserves, and it seemed that EVERYONE at my university seemed to think that Ronald Reagan was an asshole, and the Soviet Union was the most benevolent, and humane nation on earth.
You know what I can’t find nowadays? I can't find ANYONE who admits to holding that belief back in the day. How about you, Crusty?
My guess is that you were one of the flock back then; and you were wrong then, just like you’re pretty much wrong about everything else today. I just wish you and a few others here would post some stock market advice so I could short sell your picks.
Trying to make the rich pay for your free lunch is no kind of sustainable plan, okay?
Something else, I’ve noticed as I get along in years… It seems that the only folks who feel that people aren’t paying enough tax, invariably mean OTHER people, and they themselves are usually the beneficiaries of some kind of state support/largesse.
This appears to be a universal truth, whether it be here, Greece, Spain, or anywhere else that the "Public Tit", seems to be the national dish.
Cycle safely, you old gummer.
But thanks for posting that link. It makes an otherwise incomprehensible set of numbers, partially understandable. You guys have to see these data stamps it to believe it. Chaos. For a start, there are two different photos with identical time stamps. The second photo of another car, (mine is nowhere to be seen) has a speed of 28 Km. The link explains that that is the speed of the first photographed car. Mine. But as I said earlier, my car is not visible in the second picture.
Unfortunately, Mervyn, the blinker is not indicating, but blinkers by their nature, are off for the same amount of time that they are on, so as far as a single still photo is concerned nothing is provable either way.
But by comparing the time/date on my receipt from the Fairview Apple store, with the time/date on my gas purchase, and showing my GPS’s route calculation to the nearest gas station from Fairview Mall, I should be able to prove that was turning. It should be obvious from the damn picture.
So, basically, it means I was turning a corner at 28 Km, (but probably slowing), on a light that had just changed 0.6 seconds prior. At 28 Km/hour a vehicle travels .004666 Km in 0.6 seconds. So the light was yellow as I was (183 inches from the line.) To put that in perspective, that’s about 8 inches less than the overall length of my car - and just to repeat this once again - moving at 28 Km an hour.
By the time the second photo was taken I was around and gone, and no longer visible. The East and west lanes would still have had reds as I made the turn.
Illegal? Who knows. But I like my chances in court. I spoke to a cop, and he said the crown would probably drop it, but I still have to waste a day. And by the way, would a cop have laid a charge if he'd been there. No way. Should this investigative drone asshole have done so? Like hell.
I’ll post the outcome when it all shakes out.
Oh, and OldGoat? Sorry about complaining about what I feel is a personal injustice. I forgot that complaining about injustice and waste is the sole purview of dried-up old lefties such as yourself. My bad.
How old are you actually, you old curmudgeon?
I wonder what were you doing back in the 80’s when I was a platoon commander in the Canadian Armed Forces Reserves, and it seemed that EVERYONE at my university seemed to think that Ronald Reagan was an asshole, and the Soviet Union was the most benevolent, and humane nation on earth.
You know what I can’t find nowadays? I can't find ANYONE who admits to holding that belief back in the day. How about you, Crusty?
My guess is that you were one of the flock back then; and you were wrong then, just like you’re pretty much wrong about everything else today. I just wish you and a few others here would post some stock market advice so I could short sell your picks.
Trying to make the rich pay for your free lunch is no kind of sustainable plan, okay?
Something else, I’ve noticed as I get along in years… It seems that the only folks who feel that people aren’t paying enough tax, invariably mean OTHER people, and they themselves are usually the beneficiaries of some kind of state support/largesse.
This appears to be a universal truth, whether it be here, Greece, Spain, or anywhere else that the "Public Tit", seems to be the national dish.
Cycle safely, you old gummer.
My, my. When you get pissed off you really lose it. Hope you put more thought and less passion into your day in court. You certainly haven't shown much care in describing the case, although your self-righteous conviction that the authorities are incompetent and out to get you is pretty clear.
I am confident that you won't appreciate it if those authorities decide to save your tax money by not arguing one of thousands of slam-dunks in front of a JP. Just like it never has occurred to you that the whole costly business of taking pictures and sending you tickets with any court option at all, when they have the power to simply convict and add the fine to your license fee is something worth paying for, not sneering at.
Of course, for all I know, you might think red lights are government oppression too. Me and the government, we don't have your gifts of second sight, so evident above. That's why they looked at your license in the picture and charged you. Sorry I asked you to tell us if you were or were not turning. I thought it might be relevant, and like the guy with your pic, and unlike you, I can only go on the facts I have.
If you get a court date, do post it here. I'd love to watch.
In order to make a LEGAL right hand turn you must come to a complete stop at the line before turning. The only way you get a ticket from a cam when turning, is when you roll up and turn with out coming to a complete stop( not just slow down). You can't recall exactly what happened, so I would just pay the ticket. I think every one is guilty of rolling up to a right turn at one point or another, so there's no point in fighting it. And yes, if you roll through instead of stopping before you turn in front of a cop they will pull you over and ticket you. If the cam was giving tickets to people who did a proper stop and right hand turn we had a LOT more people complaining about similar incidents.
Funny though... there never seems to be a cop at the intersection when some idiot pulls this shit as you're approaching or going through the intersection; causing you to have to hit the brakes. Probably happens to me at least once a day and never once has a cop been there to do anything about it!
I think the point is that rolling stops have been thoroughly adjudicated in the courts and it is solidly established that all forward motion of the vehicle must cease. Nothing else is acceptable by the precedents established, no matter how reasonable the circumstances. That pretty much requires the cop be specifically assigned to watch for the offences, although she can still ticket you if she just happened to see it and feels convinced enough of what she saw. A machine that detects 0kph and takes pictures would be both cheaper and more consistent. How accurate its info is, and how it detects stops and legal turns would depend on how it's set up and its information is interpreted. As with breathalysers, and like them I'm sure trials—and errors—have made the folks involved pretty good at that stuff.
Same thing applies to turning on amber: Complete stop, unless it is unsafe to do so (the hard part to prove afterwards), then proceed into the turn from a zero start.
Same thing applies to turning on amber: Complete stop, unless it is unsafe to do so (the hard part to prove afterwards), then proceed into the turn from a zero start.
Reminds me of a joke I heard years back. Motorist comes to a stop sign and fails to completely stop before continuing. He is pulled over by a cop.
motorist: "But officer, I slowed down, that's just the same as stopping."
Cop: "oh really? Let's test that theory"
Pulls out gun and starts whaling on the motorist. "Now would you like me to stop or just slow down?"
motorist: "But officer, I slowed down, that's just the same as stopping."
Cop: "oh really? Let's test that theory"
Pulls out gun and starts whaling on the motorist. "Now would you like me to stop or just slow down?"
the difference between red light and breathalyzer is that red light ticket is worth about $150 since the ticket itself is about twice that and 50% discount is routinely offered by crown on a day of trial to whoever wants to plead. Meanwhile breathalyzer case is worth between 7 and 10 grand for a one day trial plus toxicologist fees which are $1500 a day easily.
If one is prepared to go far enough in order to save less than $200 (even though based on speed rolling stop i.e. the offense has clearly been committed) one is better off not attacking the machine but simply claiming that somebody else took the car on the day in question.
That's what my fuckbuddy did. She had a trial, was crossed on the circumstances, was unshaken in that her relative from overseas essentially helped himself to the keys and she was acquitted. I hope she had not mislead the court.
That's what my fuckbuddy did. She had a trial, was crossed on the circumstances, was unshaken in that her relative from overseas essentially helped himself to the keys and she was acquitted. I hope she had not mislead the court.
Anyone taking the time to actually go to court will almost automatically have their tickets withdrawn,remember photo radar where it was ruled that the tickets were inadmissable in court because you cannot ticket a vehicle in motion you have to ticket the driver,under the HTA,and unless in the pictures they can clearly prove that was you driving they cannaot legally issue the ticket.They do exactly what another poster said earlier,cash grab,if 100 tickets are issued and only ten people show up to pay they still win.
