Many ways. For example, a coworker might be in the same hotel as you and he/she sees you walking out of/into the SP's suite.
Anyone worry about losing their job from hobbying?
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A truly fascinating thread.....back to the original question.
In any company, firing is still essentailly a matter of "where there is a will there is a way". Breaking it down:
- first, you have to get caught. Whether it is by LE or whether it is by your SO or employer, there is always SOME risk, but it is usually manageable if you are careful.
- Some companies have ethics policies that you must sign at hiring (and some annually) that include a "Morals Clause". Many companies also have policy on what is not acceptable when travelling on company paid expenses. Most have policies that would allow termination for misuse of company resources (eg internet, PC, Phone). Even those that would allow a "reasonable" use of phone or internet might judge calling an escort as being "unreasonable" and therefore in violation.
- And of course, if you really want to fire someone, there is always a way. If you go thru personal use of company assets, expense vouchers, work attendance, work performance, etc you will find a reason to either fire with cause or create a paper trail that ultimately will allow termination. Even those that are squeaky clean can be dirtied if you dig deep enough. Could end up in a situation where it is made clear it is best to resign before being fired.
Id say that like other elements of this "hobby", that you apply time, energy and focus to protecting/minimizing risk in proportion with the cost of getting caught. If your job (like your reputation or relationships) is high value, one would assume you apply greater effort to avoiding issues. Using the company phone, cellphone/Bberry/mobile, network, email or being visible with a lady (say in the bar of a hotel when colleagues around) would seem to raise the risk.
Even if you own the company, one has to consider personal reputation and how customers, partners, financial backers, etc would view you and your company.
Finally, if you end up with a criminal record, there is the issue of being allowed into the US (whether on business or on vacation). If you work in a company that requires you to travel to the US as part of the job and you cant, then you cant do the job.
And yet, we still do it........
In any company, firing is still essentailly a matter of "where there is a will there is a way". Breaking it down:
- first, you have to get caught. Whether it is by LE or whether it is by your SO or employer, there is always SOME risk, but it is usually manageable if you are careful.
- Some companies have ethics policies that you must sign at hiring (and some annually) that include a "Morals Clause". Many companies also have policy on what is not acceptable when travelling on company paid expenses. Most have policies that would allow termination for misuse of company resources (eg internet, PC, Phone). Even those that would allow a "reasonable" use of phone or internet might judge calling an escort as being "unreasonable" and therefore in violation.
- And of course, if you really want to fire someone, there is always a way. If you go thru personal use of company assets, expense vouchers, work attendance, work performance, etc you will find a reason to either fire with cause or create a paper trail that ultimately will allow termination. Even those that are squeaky clean can be dirtied if you dig deep enough. Could end up in a situation where it is made clear it is best to resign before being fired.
Id say that like other elements of this "hobby", that you apply time, energy and focus to protecting/minimizing risk in proportion with the cost of getting caught. If your job (like your reputation or relationships) is high value, one would assume you apply greater effort to avoiding issues. Using the company phone, cellphone/Bberry/mobile, network, email or being visible with a lady (say in the bar of a hotel when colleagues around) would seem to raise the risk.
Even if you own the company, one has to consider personal reputation and how customers, partners, financial backers, etc would view you and your company.
Finally, if you end up with a criminal record, there is the issue of being allowed into the US (whether on business or on vacation). If you work in a company that requires you to travel to the US as part of the job and you cant, then you cant do the job.
And yet, we still do it........
I heard that some companies require a police reference check (especially if you work with children) but I thought that asking questions about a criminal record is not permitted just like you can't ask if a woman is pregnant or married.
Our company has a "no hugging" policy. Would that survive a court challenge?
BTW: Is it now standard practice for insurance companies to ask if you have a criminal record before they issue a policy to you?
Yes and no. If you are talking about outcall then true, however being outed will still probably not be a pleasant experience. If you are talking of incall etc. . . that are illegal it most definately is not an "entirely private matter" and good luck with a lawsuit for invasion of privacy.Hobbying is entirely a private matter, no one's concern & if anyone pokes his or her nose can be sued for violation of privacy law between two adults
The first thing to remember is it is how the question is phrased. Second this is an area of the law that varies fairly widely by Province. Yes in Canada it is illegal to outright ask someone being interviewed if they have a criminal record. However, it entirely legal to ask someone being interviewed whether they would agree to a criminal background check as a condition of employment or whether they would be bondable.
Further, the Ontario Court of Justice, indicated in a ruling last summer that requesting a Criminal Record Check can only be justified on a case-by-case basis (bona fide occupational requirement), for instance not part of a union contract.
That said I do not claim expertise in this area of the law.
Likely so.
Absolutely wrong in my industry, my friend. Dead wrong. Hobbying will get you fired and possibly charged.Hobbying is entirely a private matter, no one's concern & if anyone pokes his or her nose can be sued for violation of privacy law between two adults
You could loose your job if you are surfing SP/Terb/Porn sites from work. If they have a policy against it.
AS for LE it is not works business unless you are stealing from them. What happend outside work is yours, unless you go to jail for more than a week or two then it could be their business. Of course if you go to jail you book some vacation time, if it is 2 weeks.
AS for LE it is not works business unless you are stealing from them. What happend outside work is yours, unless you go to jail for more than a week or two then it could be their business. Of course if you go to jail you book some vacation time, if it is 2 weeks.
Quite a few years ago, I was interviewing a candidate for a fairly senior job. I looked at his resume and said: "I noticed there is a TWO year gap in your resume." Hee, hee, hee. Insert smilie here.
OK, say for arguments sake that you were visiting an SP at her suite in a hotel (a classic incall situation), and suppose your co-worker was in that same hotel as well and sees you there. In your scenario above, your co-worker would have to know or suspect that the suite you were visiting was that of an SP. That's highly unlikely. Besides, if you were asked about it back at work, you could just say that you were visiting a personal friend, and your co-worker would be none the wiser.
Which is why sticking to a regular SP you know and trust is a great idea.
That way theres no surprises and less of a chance that things go wrong.
I really doubt someone would loose their job because of this.
How do LE prove your going to see an SP? In the 3-4 years of touring hotels, Ive never once had a problem with LE.
*Knock on Wood* But you must go to nice hotels and somewhere that isn't trashy.
Just follow your internal voice and all should be fine!
Even use escorts have been caught at our day jobs. It is the worst feeling in the world.
Which is why I've decided that once I get a full time day job, I may quit this one.
I dont think mixing the 2 are a good idea. You're absolutely correct!
Also, when an SP has posted her face picture in the past and your employer ends up seeing it...
It's an awkward feeling lol.
Not anymore, thanks to you who talked me out of it. Not that I actually ever started that, of course.
There is a female senior executive at my place of work that has said inappropriate, demeaning things to me because she suspects that I am into this lifestyle.
We were good friends at one time (nothing more) but she made comments to other women in my office about some of my friends on my friend list on Facebook. Apparently, she knew one of them that was a well-known escort where she's from in Vancouver. Though I am aware of her comments about my lifestyle behind my back which are even worse, I have to keep mum as there is still an air of doubt that what she is suggesting is true.
Plain uncomfortable though. People form opinions based on hearsay and gossip all the time. I do treat women with respect and I am confident that this creates the air of doubt I am speaking of.
We were good friends at one time (nothing more) but she made comments to other women in my office about some of my friends on my friend list on Facebook. Apparently, she knew one of them that was a well-known escort where she's from in Vancouver. Though I am aware of her comments about my lifestyle behind my back which are even worse, I have to keep mum as there is still an air of doubt that what she is suggesting is true.
Plain uncomfortable though. People form opinions based on hearsay and gossip all the time. I do treat women with respect and I am confident that this creates the air of doubt I am speaking of.
I think it's assumed that most men in my line of work bang hookers and do coke regularly. Have you even been to Fort Mac?
