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I have said this once and will say this again. MacBook pro works for me out of box. I can connect to all my servers Linux Unix .... And I can compile Linux and Unix programs as needed. Manage all my dev environments with native software. Just works for me.
Google play store is blocked in parts of asia..... Apple Store just works. No mucking about with languages or cooking ROMs for android to work the way I want it to.
 

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You're lucky .....so far canucklehead.....keep your fingers crossed because Apple DOESN'T HAVE YOUR BACK!

Apple is having its Microsoft moment

So much for the argument "Apple computers are safer and bug-free."
It's not true. We're accustomed to annoying glitches in PCs. But the past few years have shown that Macs, iPads and iPhones have them too.
So far in 2015, five major flaws have affected Apple products.
Just this week, we encountered a nasty bug that lets hackers bury computer viruses so deep inside Macs, you'll never find it. A week earlier, a flaw appeared that lets a text message crash an iPhone.
These are significant issues, and neither has been fixed yet.
Faulty code is found in every operating system, app and software program. But Apple has an outdated strategy for fixing them.
Remember when Apple would advertise it was safer than Windows? No more. Apple is now where Microsoft was a decade ago.

The problem

Computer engineers, hackers and people familiar with the company's practices explained that Apple is doing five things wrong in its approach to security.
1) Apple's security updates are irregular and infrequent. Last year, it took Apple 100 days to fix a problem that some folks at Google (GOOGL, Tech30) found. (And when Apple finally did patch the hole, its supposed fix was weak and easily bypassed by hackers.)
In 2012, Oracle (ORCL, Tech30) quickly moved to patch its Java program that was susceptible to a terrible, information-stealing malware called Flashback. But Apple waited two whole months to issue a fix -- even though an estimated 650,000 Macs were infected.
"They don't appear to have a regular patch schedule like Microsoft, nor do they appear to patch continuously like Google does with Chrome," said Tod Beardsley, a research manager at cybersecurity firm Rapid7.. "Sometimes, patches are slow to arrive, but then again, sometimes patches are difficult to develop."
Sure, issuing quick fixes sometimes backfires. In this sense, Apple treats bugs like it does products. It's usually a little late to the game, but it plans to do the job right.
But waiting too long can have devastating effects, leaving Apple customers vulnerable to hacks and theft of personal information.
2) Secrecy. Apple keeps quiet about its security holes.
For example, Apple didn't admit the latest Mac bug is even real (because that would entice hackers to exploit it). And while it acknowledges the text message flaw and offers advice for how to fix it, Apple hasn't explained the bug's root cause.
"Apple works in mysterious ways. It has a reputation for being tight-lipped when it comes to confirming the existence of security issues," Beardsley said.
Transparency would keep customers alert and help the large community of Apple developers suggest fixes. In this sense, secrecy is harmful.
3) Updates are only for the latest software. If you're still using old versions of the Mac operating system, Apple has forsaken you.
For example, Apple patched a serious vulnerability in April -- but only for its latest version, Yosemite. That means it left behind 47% of its users, those who use the operating systems Mavericks, Mountain Lion, Lion, and Snow Leopard, according to industry figures gathered by Net Market Share.
Apple's defense? Customers can upgrade to the latest version for free. That's true, but not entirely fair. Some older laptops can't handle the latest software.
4) Unwillingness to pay. Apple is one of the only major tech companies that doesn't reward researchers -- with money -- for finding potentially disastrous computer bugs.
Although criminals and spies are willing to pay $150,000 for an iPhone bug that hasn't been made public, Apple pays nothing. Zip. Zilch.
5) No admission of guilt. This is what frustrates security folks the most. Apple doesn't tend to acknowledge when it's wrong. When hackers broke into celebrity iCloud accounts and exposed nude photos last year, Apple CEO Tim Cook said the company would beef up security measures. But he blamed users, saying the problem was "not really an engineering thing."
But security features that would have prevented the celebrity iCloud episode -- like requiring a text message as a second passcode -- are precisely an engineering problem. To Apple's credit, it eventually added that crucial feature to iCloud.
Dealing with Apple isn't easy. Security researcher Xeno Kovah said that even in the most serious cases, when he had to report a critical software flaw to the Carnegie Mellon's Computer Emergency Readiness Team, Apple was still not as "responsive or accurate" as other companies.
"Apple has a bug fixing problem," he said.
It's so bad that 684 independent Apple developers launched a formal campaign in 2012 and wrote a letter begging Apple to improve its bug-reporting system. They say little has changed.
Apple (AAPL, Tech30) declined to comment for this story.

How Microsoft did it

Some of the best Apple hackers tell CNNMoney that Apple's bug-reporting system needs an overhaul, similar to the one Microsoft went through years ago.
Microsoft (MSFT, Tech30) had to go through a long and painful awakening. Think back 15 years ago, when Windows products were the most used -- and hated. They were notoriously buggy. But then came a corporate turnaround.
In 2003, Microsoft introduced Patch Tuesday. Once a month, users would get a flood of updates to keep them safe. In 2005, Microsoft started hosting Blue Hat, an invitation-only security conference to meet face-to-face with curious (and often aggressive) researchers. Apple doesn't host a forum like that.
One of Microsoft's most successful strategies in improving security has been its "bug bounty" program, which was implemented in 2013. Microsoft stopped fighting the legion of hackers -- and turned them into a ragtag army of Microsoft guardians.
"Microsoft had worm after worm before meaningful security changes were made," said Katie Moussouris, Microsoft's former chief security strategist who implemented the bug bounty program. "Hopefully, Apple will adapt quickly."
Why the added pressure on Apple all of a sudden? The company is "a victim of its own success," Moussouris explained. Apple products are more popular than ever. More fingers on keyboards means more code is being explored. Inevitably, bugs will be found.
The good news: Apple is listening. And changes are coming.
Apple is aware of these issues, and the company is trying to improve how it communicates with researchers, according to a person familiar with the company's plans. Its main challenge now is dealing with its rapid growth. Apple gets inundated with reports about possible flaws, and its security team wants to do a better job of paying closer attention to the big security issues, separating the real bugs from the fake ones.
 

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I have yet to know anyone who's purchased an Apple Watch nor have I seen someone wearing one. So who's buying them?
 

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Yup! Those overpriced watches ain't selling.
Wall St seems to agree!
Meeting sales expectations doesn't qualify as the watches aren't selling. It just means analysts were sucked into the Apple mystique which is easy considering that have performed very well in the market.

I smell a rat in this last bounce. I really think there are traders intentionally overselling expectations simply because it's Apple and making at lot on the stock drop when their over inflated expectations are realised. .
 

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Look what bot did to this forum. Now everyone is talking about investments instead of technology.
 

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Look what bot did to this forum. Now everyone is talking about investments instead of technology.
Yeah, I'm the only one who's posted sales figures and financial results.

And yes Apple beat on revenue, earning and iPhone sales....
 

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Still have yet to know anyone who purchased or seen anyone wearing an Apple watch. BlackBerrys are everywhere by comparison. lol
 

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The only place I've seen Apple watches is at the Apple Store....:eyebrows:
 

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You need to get a life ever the fanboi bottie!.... :rolleyes:
Comparing Apple watches to Swiss watches is like comparing a Vette to a Tesla.....:D
 

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You need to get a life ever the fanboi bottie!.... :rolleyes:
Comparing Apple watches to Swiss watches is like comparing a Vette to a Tesla.....:D
I'm not the troll who posted he's not spent enough time outside his grandmothers basement to see an Apple Watch in the wild....

I'd didn't compare the watches, I linked to a story saying they had impacted Swiss sales (did you read the link).

Apple beat earnings yet again... so the beat goes on.
 

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Still have yet to know anyone who purchased or seen anyone wearing an Apple watch. BlackBerrys are everywhere by comparison. lol
Co-worker has a Samsung, but that's all I've seen in terms of "smart" watches.
 

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Apple beat earnings yet again... so the sheep goes on.
I couldn't resist a minor correction to your post that reaffirms your that your Apple worship is only a product decision based on the crowd factor. Interesting that the 'me too' mentality infuriated Jobs so much that he used the 1984 theme in his commercial.

As an aside to the watch issue - I had to purchase a new smart phone when I broke my existing phone and purchased the Samsung S-6. My buddy who has the latest iPhone and I were comparing both products. They have copied each other so much that they almost look identical in screen size, build and layout. Still prefer the screen layout and widget flexibility of Android but we may soon be comparing colours when comparing smart phones in the future.
 

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You need to get a life ever the fanboi bottie!.... :rolleyes:
Comparing Apple watches to Swiss watches is like comparing a Vette to a Tesla.....:D
Just so we're clear ..... Vette = good, tesla = bad ...... right?

Don't make me drive to Buffalo. I would definitely be able to make it in a Vette and the trip would be a hoot. Probably couldn't make it in a tesla and I'd definitely be bored doing it. Besides, I'm much too young, and verile to fit the tesla demographic.

Or was this a fun shot at OTB and his Vette?
 

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Just so we're clear ..... Vette = good, tesla = bad ...... right?

Don't make me drive to Buffalo. I would definitely be able to make it in a Vette and the trip would be a hoot. Probably couldn't make it in a tesla and I'd definitely be bored doing it. Besides, I'm much too young, and verile to fit the tesla demographic.

Or was this a fun shot at OTB and his Vette?
Vettes are the ugliest sports cars ever designed.
Get something with beautiful lines, like an Aston Martin.

My friend owns a Telsa and he's 29, but then again, he has other cars, so I guess it depends on what you have to begin with. lol
 

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Just so we're clear ..... Vette = good, tesla = bad ...... right?

Don't make me drive to Buffalo. I would definitely be able to make it in a Vette and the trip would be a hoot. Probably couldn't make it in a tesla and I'd definitely be bored doing it. Besides, I'm much too young, and verile to fit the tesla demographic.

Or was this a fun shot at OTB and his Vette?
Was made to point out the Vette like swiss watches have been around a long time, while Tesla and Apple watch are something new and it was a fun shot at bottie and his Vette.... :D

Been looking into Tesla, they have a great website! The new Tesla battery gets almost 300 miles on a charge! Tesla is building free super-turbo charger electric stations all over the USA for owners. Have seen one of these electric stations near me with Tesla owners getting a free charge while shopping. Talked with a few owners who love their Tesla cars. A couple were from Toronto. Others from Ohio, PA and Mass, who have nothing but praise for their Tesla. Owner ages vary from 30ish to retirees. The Toronto owner said winters are rough on battery charge mileage which drops off ~40% compared to warmer weather, which is to be expected. This was his only knock on Tesla.
 
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