Arar to get $10000000.00?
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He needs to get something for his suffering but OMGPapi Chulo said:
10 million fucking dollars????????? David Milgaard was in jail for over 20 years due to police, crown, and media misconduct and he got this settlement. Does Arar deserve the same for only a year in jail? Yes, he was tortured, I would imagine, but shouldn't he go after the Syrian government for that? How is Canada responsible for the torture? False arrest, yes. Wrongful imprisonment, maybe. Torture, no.
Political correctness run amok. Shame Stephen Harper. Shame.
Torture...?
I'm not trying to start anything here but: Was it ever proven that he was tortured? Or is it just his word?
I doubt Syria admitted to it... or did they?
I'm not trying to start anything here but: Was it ever proven that he was tortured? Or is it just his word?
I doubt Syria admitted to it... or did they?
U.S. declares him persona non grata due to his "travel itinery" in the past.... and that was just on CTV newsnet 10 minutes ago. Can't recall what station said he was in a training camp, but it was a contravention of a court order during the hearing and they got slapped for it.danmand said:
Quest4Less said:
a prison in Syria and a suspected member of Al Qaeda you can bet the farm that he was tortured by the secular nationalist Baathists, and of course if his name was John Smith from Westminister BC Lancs and the few other bigots views on this board would be different
I am asking this as I don;t know. Was there ever an official report puplished that staed what his torture was?
I'm not doubting The Syrians didn't give him the Holiday Inn treatment. But do we really know what happened to him?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic...just wondering if there ever was an official document released on his treatment?
I'd like to know what we're paying for?
I know the Canadian government turned him over to the US on false pretense. I know the US then shipped him to Syria that condones torture to get around their own laws.
He was mistreated there can be no doubt. But I am thinking we have a right to know what really happened to offer him this payout.
Is it just sweeping an ugly incident under the rug? Or was this man truly tortured? I haven't seen any offical documents so far that said yes. Just beacause I haven't seen it doesn't mean it exisits and thats why I'm asking.
Again..I'm not making light of the situation nor trying to downplay it.
I would like to see some evidence if it is available.
I'm not doubting The Syrians didn't give him the Holiday Inn treatment. But do we really know what happened to him?
I'm not trying to be sarcastic...just wondering if there ever was an official document released on his treatment?
I'd like to know what we're paying for?
I know the Canadian government turned him over to the US on false pretense. I know the US then shipped him to Syria that condones torture to get around their own laws.
He was mistreated there can be no doubt. But I am thinking we have a right to know what really happened to offer him this payout.
Is it just sweeping an ugly incident under the rug? Or was this man truly tortured? I haven't seen any offical documents so far that said yes. Just beacause I haven't seen it doesn't mean it exisits and thats why I'm asking.
Again..I'm not making light of the situation nor trying to downplay it.
I would like to see some evidence if it is available.
10 million is a lot of money but I look at it this way.
All that money won't erase the pain he went through. we're not talking about a hot cup of coffee in the lap here.
I think the big payout though will do some good in the following way.... given that this sets a precidence perhaps the Canadian Government will be quicker to bail out a citizen in trouble. IF that happens to be someone you know or love you will appreciate that.
All that money won't erase the pain he went through. we're not talking about a hot cup of coffee in the lap here.
I think the big payout though will do some good in the following way.... given that this sets a precidence perhaps the Canadian Government will be quicker to bail out a citizen in trouble. IF that happens to be someone you know or love you will appreciate that.
Have you at all been following this case? His torture was the result of mistakes our RCMP did. We were at fault, thus he sued the government. There's lots of background on this, read up on it. We were not responsible for the Rawandan genocide. Completely different situations.
I would agree with you if we had nothing to do with his torture, but our RCMP screwed up, plain and simple, thus the resignation of the RCMP leader. We were going to lose in court anyway, so Harper decided to get it over with quick.
btw, not being in Syria to personally witness his torture, I would assume the Canadian government did their homework and are convinced he was tortured, if not, God help this country.
I would agree with you if we had nothing to do with his torture, but our RCMP screwed up, plain and simple, thus the resignation of the RCMP leader. We were going to lose in court anyway, so Harper decided to get it over with quick.
btw, not being in Syria to personally witness his torture, I would assume the Canadian government did their homework and are convinced he was tortured, if not, God help this country.
danmand said:
We don't go to Al Quada training camps so the scenario you propose is not possible.
scouser1 said:a prison in Syria and a suspected member of Al Qaeda you can bet the farm that he was tortured by the secular nationalist Baathists, and of course if his name was John Smith from Westminister BC Lancs and the few other bigots views on this board would be different
I suppose that you think using the word bigot will somehow shame me. NOT A CHANCE.
Thats the tytpical line you of the " bleeding hearts club" like to throw out to silence people. not going to work here. I am disgusted that MY tax money is going to a fellow who could just as easily have used his training against us.
Same thing as with danmand, I doubt that too many John Smiths from vancouver would have done the same training and hung out with the same bunch of terrorists so please no red herrings.
DonQuixote said:
WW2, Death Railway and the Jap POW camps.
Canada to its shame has never been able to get japan to apoligize for the horrors they inflicted on the Cdns, English and Aussies in those camps for years on end let alone get any monetary compensation for them.
That's what i'm talking about.
I don't think he went to an AQ training camp. I haven't heard that anywhere other than here on terb so I suspect that's something someone made up and spread around.
The original reports were that he became a suspect because he associated with some other people who were suspects. So the RCMP began following him around assuming he was one of them, and passed his name to the US.
As for why we're responsible, our culpability goes beyond just handing him over to the US. The damning facts are:
1. When he was arrested we knew the information we gave was false
2. We got reports that he was being tortured in Syria, and we pointedly did not correct the false information
3. After having got reports that he was being tortured we forwarded questions to the Syrians to put to Arar
So when you know that someone is torturing a guy, you know you could put a stop to it but you decide not to, and then you pass the torturer a question that you'd like asked to the guy being tortured, at that point you are pretty much complicit in his torture.
The original reports were that he became a suspect because he associated with some other people who were suspects. So the RCMP began following him around assuming he was one of them, and passed his name to the US.
As for why we're responsible, our culpability goes beyond just handing him over to the US. The damning facts are:
1. When he was arrested we knew the information we gave was false
2. We got reports that he was being tortured in Syria, and we pointedly did not correct the false information
3. After having got reports that he was being tortured we forwarded questions to the Syrians to put to Arar
So when you know that someone is torturing a guy, you know you could put a stop to it but you decide not to, and then you pass the torturer a question that you'd like asked to the guy being tortured, at that point you are pretty much complicit in his torture.
What an insensitive thread. It SEEMS to have gotten to a sad point now where presumption of innocence is thrown out the window. Hey, even when a guy was proven to have been falsely arrested, sent to prison in Syria not knowing whether he'll live or see his family again and where he was routinely tortured (in order to find links to terrorist activities), he's still guilty in the eyes of some members of this board and some members of canadian society. Well, get this through your head. Any rights Mr. Arar had as a Canadian citizen or a human being were taken away from him. Even now, with his name supposedly cleared, he still has to deal with doubters. It's extremely sad that people associate anyone seized by the government in it's war on terror is in fact somehow connected to terrorist activity. This is wrong.
Anyone else find it odd that he is a citizen of the country he was held in??????
Wonder why he has not renounced that?
Wonder why he has not renounced that?
Oh really, guess you forgot about your fellow Brit, Richard Reid........LancsLad said:
Richard Colvin Reid (born August 12, 1973), also known as the shoe bomber, is an individual convicted on charges of terrorism and currently serving a life sentence in the United States. According to an al-Qaeda operative, Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, who was captured and interrogated in Oman in 2003, Reid was also a member of al-Qaeda and had been sent on the bombing mission by Khaled Shaikh Mohammed, a senior member of the organization.
Richard Reid, British citizen born in Bromley, South London and educated at Thomas Tallis School in Kidbrooke, London, he is the son of an English mother and a Jamaican father, who spent most of Richard's childhood years in prison. Reid became involved in street crime and spent time in a number of prisons, including Feltham Young Offenders' Institution, where he converted to Islam. He grew up with Ashraf Kotwal and David Shameen Meeajane. He talked to their parents Nasma and Vicky and Haroon Meeajane. David's brothers Daniel and Nathaniel also helped Richard. Richard told Ashraf and David how to put bombs on their shoes.
