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Canada and the U.S. both have their share of great actors, musicians, and sports figures. Your statement is asinine...
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Really? Take a look at the top stars, find out where they really come from, then compare the numbers.DenWa said:Canada and the U.S. both have their share of great actors, musicians, and sports figures. Your statement is asinine...
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Canada delivers a huge number of top-billing actors and actresses to the US. When you compare the populations, Canada is producing several times the talent per capita.
OTOH, every once in a while we ship you someone like Bill Shatner. Sorry about that... *g*
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First off, Bill Shatner kicks ass...show some respect.
Second, again, I am not denying the fact that there is a lot of great talent from Canada. But if you want to go name for name the American actors, filmmakers, and musicians will far outnumber the Canadian...and as far as quality - well hell, it's our fucking industry you folks come down here to work in. Does Canada even have a film industry? Degrassi Jr. High doesn't really cut it, now, does it?
Some Canadians crack me up with their constant need to assert that they're important too. Jesus, you talk about us down here? Fuck...well, more breakfast cereals come from the U.S. than Canada, and I'm sure that must mean something, right?
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Second, again, I am not denying the fact that there is a lot of great talent from Canada. But if you want to go name for name the American actors, filmmakers, and musicians will far outnumber the Canadian...and as far as quality - well hell, it's our fucking industry you folks come down here to work in. Does Canada even have a film industry? Degrassi Jr. High doesn't really cut it, now, does it?
Some Canadians crack me up with their constant need to assert that they're important too. Jesus, you talk about us down here? Fuck...well, more breakfast cereals come from the U.S. than Canada, and I'm sure that must mean something, right?
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well, then you're an sellout since you're eating American food. And by the way, those Frosted Flakes are created in Honuduran sweatshops by children and they're made from the Iraqi oil we've plundered. The sweatshops are supervised by terrorists the U.S. funded, and the American plant supervisor sits in his office laughing at the plight of the middle east while listening to superior Canadian music like Loverboy and Celine Dion...fuck yeah!
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no morals, eh? Well, that's the only requirement you need to become an American, right? Come on in, the water's fine.
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DenWa, glad you were able to bring this thread back to the topic at hand. I like your picks.
Steve Jordan, Paul Schaffer's drummer side-kick in the Late-nite Orchestra (NBC era) as well as the drummer in the Blues Brothers Band (post-movie), is another one of the excellent drummers that no one knows by name but everyone has heard his work. He is one of the busiest and best studio guys out there, the main reason why he's no longer on Late Nite.
As you can see, some of my favourites are guys most have never heard of but hear all the time. Union scale is nothing to sneeze at and the best drummers get rich as individuals by letting their skills do the talking without the spotlight directed on them. You can't argue the great ones...I cut my teeth and developed my chops listening to listening to Louie Bellson and Buddy Rich, and I idolize Neil Peart, Stewart Copeland and now Carter Beauford, but I've been exposed to some phenominal studio/orchetra guys (benefits of a family of professional musicians) that would blow your mind.
Unfortunately many people make the assumption that the biggest and most popular bands have or had the best individual players. Not necessarily true...even Bono agrees he is not a great singer. Bands are like any other team, you have one or two stars and the rest play key roles in the development of the ensemble (the muckers and grinders for you hockey fans).
Whenever this topic comes up you always get into debates about which of Charlie Watts, Keith Moon or John Bonham was the greatest drummer of all time. And although Moon and Bonham are on the list, their legend is ehanced by their band's place in music history, not their individual contribution as a drummer.
I know this is a subjective argument (I hate those arguments because everyone is right, not just me) and everyone's entries in the list are based on our personal preference for music styles. I can speak somewhat knowledgably about the technical abilities of most drummers, but I believe that many popular drummers gain their noteriety because of the additional contribution i.e. singing, writing etc. rather than their drumming skills, Phil Collins and Ringo come to mind. Bottom line, if you sit down and listen to some music and you like what you hear, then I can't argue that you are wrong in thinking the muscians are great.
Even I can't explain why Rich v. Animal on the Muppets, Johnny Carson sitting in on drums with Doc and the boys on the Tonight Show and Gary (Radar) Burghoff doing an outstanding Gene Krupa routine in the USO episode on MASH might be some of the most influential performances I can recall and had more of an impact on me being a drummer than any of the great teachers and pros I listened to and learned from.
I know...a simple Max Weinberg or even Doug Flutie would have been easier and quicker, but now I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled threads.
BTW- DenWa I am so jealous of your Animal kit. It must be a little beat up by now. I started with a Westbury 5 piece set that I accessorized to death - Roto Toms, Slingerland Yellow Jacket double bass pedals, chimes, bells, blocks and cymbals a la Neil Peart. I eventually simplified life and went with a rich maple Ludwig 5 piece Jazz set (double floor toms 16" & 18"). It's a beauty but unfortunately, I haven't had a place to set the kit up for the last couple of years and it has moved around a fair bit (friends, bars/clubs, storage). I hope I can find it and it's still in good condition when I go looking for it.
Doc
Steve Jordan, Paul Schaffer's drummer side-kick in the Late-nite Orchestra (NBC era) as well as the drummer in the Blues Brothers Band (post-movie), is another one of the excellent drummers that no one knows by name but everyone has heard his work. He is one of the busiest and best studio guys out there, the main reason why he's no longer on Late Nite.
As you can see, some of my favourites are guys most have never heard of but hear all the time. Union scale is nothing to sneeze at and the best drummers get rich as individuals by letting their skills do the talking without the spotlight directed on them. You can't argue the great ones...I cut my teeth and developed my chops listening to listening to Louie Bellson and Buddy Rich, and I idolize Neil Peart, Stewart Copeland and now Carter Beauford, but I've been exposed to some phenominal studio/orchetra guys (benefits of a family of professional musicians) that would blow your mind.
Unfortunately many people make the assumption that the biggest and most popular bands have or had the best individual players. Not necessarily true...even Bono agrees he is not a great singer. Bands are like any other team, you have one or two stars and the rest play key roles in the development of the ensemble (the muckers and grinders for you hockey fans).
Whenever this topic comes up you always get into debates about which of Charlie Watts, Keith Moon or John Bonham was the greatest drummer of all time. And although Moon and Bonham are on the list, their legend is ehanced by their band's place in music history, not their individual contribution as a drummer.
I know this is a subjective argument (I hate those arguments because everyone is right, not just me) and everyone's entries in the list are based on our personal preference for music styles. I can speak somewhat knowledgably about the technical abilities of most drummers, but I believe that many popular drummers gain their noteriety because of the additional contribution i.e. singing, writing etc. rather than their drumming skills, Phil Collins and Ringo come to mind. Bottom line, if you sit down and listen to some music and you like what you hear, then I can't argue that you are wrong in thinking the muscians are great.
Even I can't explain why Rich v. Animal on the Muppets, Johnny Carson sitting in on drums with Doc and the boys on the Tonight Show and Gary (Radar) Burghoff doing an outstanding Gene Krupa routine in the USO episode on MASH might be some of the most influential performances I can recall and had more of an impact on me being a drummer than any of the great teachers and pros I listened to and learned from.
I know...a simple Max Weinberg or even Doug Flutie would have been easier and quicker, but now I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled threads.
BTW- DenWa I am so jealous of your Animal kit. It must be a little beat up by now. I started with a Westbury 5 piece set that I accessorized to death - Roto Toms, Slingerland Yellow Jacket double bass pedals, chimes, bells, blocks and cymbals a la Neil Peart. I eventually simplified life and went with a rich maple Ludwig 5 piece Jazz set (double floor toms 16" & 18"). It's a beauty but unfortunately, I haven't had a place to set the kit up for the last couple of years and it has moved around a fair bit (friends, bars/clubs, storage). I hope I can find it and it's still in good condition when I go looking for it.
Doc
Sheena Easton - Huh. Not bad on the eyes either
The guy in the back row of the Toronto Philharmonic Orchestra!
The guy in the back row of the Toronto Philharmonic Orchestra!
I thought that was Sheila E. ...and that other chick from Prince's Revloution. Both are pretty hot...and can work magic with those sticks. Rather arousing.
I cant believe 7 pages of responses and no one has mentioned Carl Palmer from ELP, that guy could bang them skins.
