Blogger leaked order to raid Hells Angels

[C Dick]

Normal clothes. Well, lets all ask C Dick what to wear when we get up in the morning. The Taliban would surely be overjoyed. Going to a bar after bowling? Better take off those shirts.

I would never tell you what to wear, that is your choice, just as I choose what I wear. But whatever anyone wears affects how they will be treated, whether they chose that treatment or not. I like to wear my strip club t-shirts, but I choose not to when I am around children, because some people are offended by them. It just isn't that important to me to wear strip club t-shirts if people are going to react to them. So I tend to assume that Hell's Angels members care deeply about being members, to be willing to put up with the scrutiny that their clothing attracts. So I assume that they are not just regular guys who like bikes, they are deeply committed to their organization and each other, it is a very important aspect of their lives.

There is nothing wrong with that, it becomes wrong if what they are so deeply committed to includes badness, and I have no direct evidence of that either way, just the claims and counterclaims. But I am just not convinced by the regular guys on bikes argument, whatever being a member is about, it is very important to them. I have read some books about Hell's Angels, and they always convey a strong sense of brotherhood, and of being apart from regular society.

 

[ImanHa]

I suppose when you scower the world, we are in over 50 countries and been in existance for over 50 years, those that want to trash us are going to find ammunition. The fact 44 Hells Angels in the U.S. just had rico charges dismissed because the judge said blaming us all for the crimes of a few would be like blaming all Roman Catholic priests for child abuse, will not be quoted here. The Washington case above is still in court. The Black biscuit case in Arizona, tossed. I find it understandable that the arrests are in the minds of many while the outcome of cases that favoured us are not. After all, arresting a Hells Angel sells newspapers, having one found innocent does not.

All i can truely and honestly tell you is that in my experience, over two decades, i find it much like the locker room where i go to play hockey. A few guys can get you some grass, maybe the odd guy tries to sell coke, and the other twenty guys are there to play hockey.

I am a union worker, i find it the same in my local. It might actually surprize you that, (and it maybe due to the fact the police have decided to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars and excuse vrtually any crimes a 'rat' commits for the scalp of a Hells Angel, or that guys have gotten older and are raising families) that most bikers by a wide margain have abandoned crime completely, and do enjoy the club for its fraternity and devotion to motorcycles.
The truth is, with the scrutiny bikers face and the blind eye the police enjoy from the justice system, today's thug is joining the police force, not the Hells Angels.

As the police use the Hells Angels to stomp all over the Charter of rights until it's a meaningless peice of bathroom tissue, i think some of you will meet 'today's thug' before too long.

Scan 50 years and scour the earth for book selling stats if you like, but thats my honest observation from the inside.

 

[Never Compromised]

Who really gives a rat's ass people! This is a board for pleasure, not dwelling on the dark underbelly.

Can we please get back to making fun of Goober's Mother?

 

[ImanHa]

Walk into 40 college street wearing a police sweater. You can buy them right there in the little shoppe. Put on some dark blue pants and strut around. If they discover you to be an imposter, i can say with some certainty, you'd be in for a very rough ride. And rightly so. What good intentions could there be for such an act?
Impersonating a Hells Angel would be the same. No apoligeze. You seem to be saying that commiting an overt act with an obvious intent to cause trouble deserves no punishment.
If i only said your wife had nice legs and lips and pushed my attention on her in front of you, im sure you would sit quietly as i have broken no laws.
Im glad im not like you rubmiester. Assinine arguements and statements that are followed by self proclaimed victory speeches are probably in keeping with the handle you gave yourself.

Rub it somewhere else. This forum isn't a mirror and you're not alone.

 

[Serpent]

I suppose when you scower the world, we are in over 50 countries and been in existance for over 50 years, those that want to trash us are going to find ammunition. The fact 44 Hells Angels in the U.S. just had rico charges dismissed because the judge said blaming us all for the crimes of a few would be like blaming all Roman Catholic priests for child abuse, will not be quoted here. The Washington case above is still in court. The Black biscuit case in Arizona, tossed. I find it understandable that the arrests are in the minds of many while the outcome of cases that favoured us are not. After all, arresting a Hells Angel sells newspapers, having one found innocent does not.

The 42 Angels weren't freed, 36 were - the prosecution didn't get the success they wanted (neither did the OJ prosecution) and 6 Angels out of the 42 were sent to prison. Not a glorious prosecutorial success definitely.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-12-Thu-2006/news/10184606.html

Could you provide some links to substantiate that the Operation Black Biscuit charges were dismissed?

I think editorial in the SF Chronicle cataloges the Angels' problem very succintly:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/05/07/INGK8IKG6T1.DTL

But if the Angels are such a select bunch, when do more than a few bad apples become a rotten bushel? And how do the Angels explain that it is often not low-ranking new joiners but established leaders of the organization who are charged -- as in the recent Bay Area busts -- and convicted?

Last summer, Guy Castiglione, the president of the San Diego chapter of the Hells Angels, pleaded guilty to gang charges, admitting that he had conspired to distribute methamphetamine and kill members of the rival Mongols gang.

Earlier this year, the former president of Chicago's Hells Angels chapter pleaded guilty to federal drug and racketeering charges, and two other former Illinois chapter leaders pleaded guilty to a decadelong conspiracy of violence and intimidation to protect turf for drug sales.

 

[Esco!]

Can we please get back to making fun of Goober's Mother?

Of course we can: http://www.attuworld.com/grandma_hits_the_beach

 

[ImanHa]

In most of these huge cases there will always be some convictions. Sometimes because some people are actually guilty, and sometimes the government offers a deal to drop 100's of BS charges for a few pounds of flesh. You have to remember, fighting 100's of bs charges not only ties dozens on bail conditions, but also costs millions to fight.
A few guys sometimes fall on the sword to save everybody, and it's true, sometimes a few guys decide to fess up and take their lumps. Either way, most of these huge indictments flop because the net is cast for headlines, and is as broad as possible.

The cost of justice is definately a consideration in all cases. It's a strategy that works, however dishonest.

In Black Biscuit, ATF agents filmed a phoney murder and charged the Angels with hearing about it. When it was discovered informants got immunity on real murders to cooperate with the charade created to entrap the Angels, the cookie crumbled.

When Black biscuit fell apart, the gov marched the undercover into a bar after he was exposed where the Angels were to solicit and record a threat. It worked. Thats the only convictions they got.

The cop went on CNN to say the Gov wont give him 3 million to relocate so hes suing. The ATF and FBI considered the threat benign, but good enough for courtroom drama. That case still goes on.

 

[fuji]

"Sometimes a few guys decide to fess up and take their lumps"

You basically just admitted that the HA is a criminal organization. You seem to be complaining that the criminal charges are exagerrated for the media while essentially admitting to the criminal activity. The rest of your post can be interpreted as describing the way that the HA tries to evade criminal charges.

In most of these huge cases there will always be some convictions. Sometimes because some people are actually guilty, and sometimes the government offers a deal to drop 100's of BS charges for a few pounds of flesh. You have to remember, fighting 100's of bs charges not only ties dozens on bail conditions, but also costs millions to fight.
A few guys sometimes fall on the sword to save everybody, and it's true, sometimes a few guys decide to fess up and take their lumps. Either way, most of these huge indictments flop because the net is cast for headlines, and is as broad as possible.

The cost of justice is definately a consideration in all cases. It's a strategy that works, however dishonest.

In Black Biscuit, ATF agents filmed a phoney murder and charged the Angels with hearing about it. When it was discovered informants got immunity on real murders to cooperate with the charade created to entrap the Angels, the cookie crumbled.

When Black biscuit fell apart, the gov marched the undercover into a bar after he was exposed where the Angels were to solicit and record a threat. It worked. Thats the only convictions they got.

The cop went on CNN to say the Gov wont give him 3 million to relocate so hes suing. The ATF and FBI considered the threat benign, but good enough for courtroom drama. That case still goes on.

 

[ImanHa]

Drink your own bath water Fugi. The honest and frank admission that not all criminal charges against Hells Angels are baseless, is not an admission that the motorcycle club is a criminal organization at all. Its a realistic statement based on facts. You should try that approach in your arguements.
Frankly, im rather surprized your arguement degenerated to such a level. I suppose you will strike that last comment when it's reconsidered .

 

[BuffNaked]

Drink your own bath water Fugi.

Fuji position isn't very strong and he weakens it by trying to spin what other people said as an admission that he is right. His only real claim is that because some judge said somewhere that they are a criminal org that they must infact be.

Arguing with Fuji is like arguing with a tape recorder. His answers are canned and refuses to acknowledge any one elses point of view. Let Fuji be. His mind is not open to differing points of view.

 

[fuji]

Fuji position isn't very strong and he weakens it by trying to spin what other people said

People have eyes to see for themselves who is spinning, and can figure out on their own whose position isn't very strong. Just posting what you wish were true won't make it so.

 

[Esco!]

Fuji, maybe time to give this thread a rest huh??!!!!

 

[CapitalGuy]

Fuji, maybe time to give this thread a rest huh??!!!!

Yes. Microsoft has officially complained to TERB's webmaster that their system has slowed down and they cannot roll out their latest upgrade to Internet Explorer because this thread is consuming too much bandwidth.

 

[dude abides]

Garrett,

When you've been on the receiving end of a lot of bullshit from the cops then come and talk to me. I know people on both sides, the police and the bikers.

One of my ex's was raped by bikers years ago so I know what you're talking about. Another ex of mine was raped by a cop, another one was raped by her father. It happens, there are rapists in every segment of society. Many girls I've gotten to know well have had problems with guys pushing themselves on them.

I'm not buying into any bullshit image like you guys are accusing me of. Do some checking and you will see what I'm talking about. Read beyond the headlines, read the back pages and you will see what I'm talking about.

Rape happens?!?! are you kidding me? I can't believe you dismissed the question like that, the question was:

How about the women I know who were raped by members of an esteemed motorcycle club and were intimidated not to testify. How concerned are you about that?

Obviously, you're not very concerned about how rape victims are intimidated or bullied, by HA or by anybody else for that matter because "It happens"..

If I was on the receiving end of bullshit from the police, yes, I would be annoyed or upset, but I wouldn't carry a hate on for them because some day, I'd probably need one of those "fucking cops" around. I can honestly say that I would never need any kind of help from the HA. It boggles my mind that somebody would villify the police force with one broad stroke and claim that the HA are alright because you've had a few beers with a couple of them.

Maybe I should ignore this thread now, it's starting to give me a rash...

 

[ImanHa]

Gerrat, you are a bare faced Goddam Liar. Women you know who were raped but dont goddam well name . A bunch of Goddam bullshit f'kn lies. Ive never seen or would condone, or hear about without getting to the bottom of it, one incident of rape ever. We do not condone or put up with that shit and if you did know any of us you'd know that was dam f'ken true.
You people with your horseshit piss me right off when you start throwing accusations around like they are free and they are bad ones that we dont take lightly.
We are not rapists and we dont put up with that crap and if you did know any women that know us you would know thats not true.
You are a Goddam liar.

 

[Never Compromised]

Walk into 40 college street wearing a police sweater. You can buy them right there in the little shoppe. Put on some dark blue pants and strut around. If they discover you to be an imposter, i can say with some certainty, you'd be in for a very rough ride. And rightly so. What good intentions could there be for such an act?
Impersonating a Hells Angel would be the same. No apoligeze. You seem to be saying that commiting an overt act with an obvious intent to cause trouble deserves no punishment.

Smoking too much of your own shit? WTF kind of "arguement" is this? My lord, talk about logical fallacy. This line of reasoning would only be specious in a kindergarden class.

To suggest that the HA "uniform" has the same protection under the law as the uniform of duly appointed law enforment officials is beyond silly. And to suggest that a bunch of the "good old boys" from the HA get to act as judge jury and executioner simply because they don't like what someone wears is showing just how little you think of the system of law.

BTW, how is Dirtbag these days? Tatoo shop doing well? Crazy Dave seems to be very quite as well.

 

[Esco!]

Guys, maybe time to let this "ridiculous thread" die, no?????

I've smelled shit sandwiches that were more appeasing than this!!!

 

[Esco!]

You guys wont believe this but I bought a Lexmark X5470- printer/fax/scanner..............etc and the damn thing wont farking work!!!!!!

.............but thats a whole other farking story.................dammit!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Esco!]

Can somebody please help me............please.........

Lexmark X5470......wont scan for some reason......I dont know why!!

 

[LancsLad]

Guys, maybe time to let this "ridiculous thread" die, no?????

I've smelled shit sandwiches that were more appeasing than this!!!

I told you, never ever go to GB's for lunch. he's a farking bear.