Blogger leaked order to raid Hells Angels

[antaeus]

I thought the history of the hells angels and other similar groups had as a founding tenet "we aren't part of your world" and other such epithets, hence their unique rules, customs, attitudes and livelihoods.

It seems select sympathisers are pointing out how our worlds rules are being unfairly imposed upon the hells angels, and by extension the possibility of such imposition onto other private citizens.

This seems disengenuous.

If you position yourself as "not part of your world" what the hell should you care and cry when our world tries to impose our rules onto you. Strangely, this parallels Quebec's public models of sovereignty association: we want everything for ourself based on our terms, but we'll keep what's convenient to us; disengenuity that is rejected by everybody as impetuous, not very intelligent, and laughable.

It reads as if the sympathisers are positioning hells angels as imposed upon societal rights' freedom fighters. I think the only evidence of this is the sympathisers specific words, hence their complete rejection.

 

[bestillmehard]

Ok...here's my 2 cents....
I live 3 doors down from a cop and his family. Against my suggestions, my wife hangs with his wife...now, about a month ago my wife and his wife went shopping, took too long and had to speed through the school zone to pick up the cops wife's kid at school. Cops wife gets pulled over...get this...doing 94km per hour in a clearly marked 40km an hour SCHOOL ZONE. Cops wife tells cop who she is and drives away scott free...not a ticket..not a warning...just a " maam i will have to tell your husband".I'll bet my bottom dollar that had she been anyone other than a cops wife...she'd be toast. Also....I dont know if cops are allowed to do this but he made a little diagonal driveway on his property where he sits with his radar gun ready to bust anyone driving more than the posted 50km an hour. To tell you the truth...I'd trade him for a HA neighbour anyday.

 

[CapitalGuy]

Ok...here's my 2 cents....
I live 3 doors down from a cop and his family. Against my suggestions, my wife hangs with his wife...now, about a month ago my wife and his wife went shopping, took too long and had to speed through the school zone to pick up the cops wife's kid at school. Cops wife gets pulled over...get this...doing 94km per hour in a clearly marked 40km an hour SCHOOL ZONE. Cops wife tells cop who she is and drives away scott free...not a ticket..not a warning...just a " maam i will have to tell your husband".I'll bet my bottom dollar that had she been anyone other than a cops wife...she'd be toast. Also....I dont know if cops are allowed to do this but he made a little diagonal driveway on his property where he sits with his radar gun ready to bust anyone driving more than the posted 50km an hour. To tell you the truth...I'd trade him for a HA neighbour anyday.

Wow, so letting someone out of a speeding ticket is on the same plane as breaking legs, selling coke, pimping out teenaged girls, planting bombs, etc? That's some sense of perspective you have there.

 

[bestillmehard]

Wow, so letting someone out of a speeding ticket is on the same plane as breaking legs, selling coke, pimping out teenaged girls, planting bombs, etc? That's some sense of perspective you have there.

Nope...but I didnt tell you of the RCMP sister inlaw that I have who every year at Christmas gets drunk and tells stories...one of which is about how they bust ppl for drugs...skim some from the haul and hide it in their big black boots until they can dump it. Then they keep it and every RCMP in the crowd gets together at THEIR clubhouse to party and use the drugs they stole.
So dont go on about my sense of perspective sir, when you havent a clue.

 

[papasmerf]

Nope...but I didnt tell you of the RCMP sister inlaw that I have who every year at Christmas gets drunk and tells stories...one of which is about how they bust ppl for drugs...skim some from the haul and hide it in their big black boots until they can dump it. Then they keep it and every RCMP in the crowd gets together at THEIR clubhouse to party and use the drugs they stole.
So dont go on about my sense of perspective sir, when you havent a clue.

Turn her in. A hair follicle test will show you are telling the truth

 

[bestillmehard]

Its not just her papa...there are many RCMP doing this...what happens when I turn her in- her superiors are apparently some of the crew....then I am the bad guy gettin shafted...they arent goin to do shit to her when they do it with her...But I'd be willing to bet Id find my life in a big mess.

 

[papasmerf]

Its not just her papa...there are many RCMP doing this...what happens when I turn her in- her superiors are apparently some of the crew....then I am the bad guy gettin shafted...they arent goin to do shit to her when they do it with her...But I'd be willing to bet Id find my life in a big mess.

Go federal with it. You see there is a problem and close your eyes to it, you give up the right to complain about it.

 

[CapitalGuy]

Its not just her papa...there are many RCMP doing this...what happens when I turn her in- her superiors are apparently some of the crew....then I am the bad guy gettin shafted...they arent goin to do shit to her when they do it with her...But I'd be willing to bet Id find my life in a big mess.

Does it happen? Probably. Is it rampant among cops? I'd be shocked if it were. Is it rampant among bikers? Well d'uh.

If your argument is that cops have a lower standard of moral conduct than the Hell's Angel's, you're only embarassing yourself by sharing your beliefs with the rest of us.

 

[bestillmehard]

Go federal with it. You see there is a problem and close your eyes to it, you give up the right to complain about it.

Never considered that option papa...thank you for your input.

 

[dcbogey]

Nope...but I didnt tell you of the RCMP sister inlaw that I have who every year at Christmas gets drunk and tells stories...one of which is about how they bust ppl for drugs...skim some from the haul and hide it in their big black boots until they can dump it. Then they keep it and every RCMP in the crowd gets together at THEIR clubhouse to party and use the drugs they stole.
So dont go on about my sense of perspective sir, when you havent a clue.

I'm sure almost all of us have heard these types of stories. For the most part, that's all they are - stories from someone who has had too much to drink.

 

[ImanHa]

Its funny listening to some of you morons.

This rat was in the club for 6 years, not one allegation made about violence against anyone anywhere, so so much for your gang bangin shootin up the town bull shit.

You guys are all bad cause i read it in the newspaper...

And sayin were good sells papers.

I play hockey every Tuesday night. When i want to get some grass, thats where i get it.

Any group of 30 men will have 2 or 4 guys hustling a buck on something. You people are either blind or lying if you dont see it.

Some of you can kiss my ass, others do not, i can imagine where your lips have been.

 

[fuji]

Its funny listening to some of you morons.

Sounds like someone's true colours are about to show...

This rat was...

Spoken like a true...

My friends don't go around complaining about "rats". That yours do might be a clue about the company you're keeping.

Any group of 30 men will have 2 or 4 guys hustling a buck on something.

See what I said about the company you're keeping?

You people are either blind or lying if you dont see it.

Dude, maybe 4 guys out of 30 forget to mention something on their tax return, but the overwhelming majority of Canadians earn their money honestly and, for most people, don't have 4 guys hustling out of 30 around them. I have no doubt, though, that you do find 4 of 30 in the people you know: Your perceptions are distorted by the criminal company you keep down at the HA clubhouse. Do yourself a favour and get some new friends.

If you're really one of the honest guys like you say then either kick the cancerous criminal rot that's infested your organization out, or go form your own club that isn't intent on undermining Canada's system of justice.

You came on here to set us all straight (Sheik drag you in?) but when we didn't drink your kool-aid you started to insult us all, calling us all morons, etc., well that does speak volumes too...

 

[ImanHa]

Fuji, i didnt come in here to insult anyone. But i kinda lost it when i read stuff that shows how lilly white people like you pretend to be.
Everytime you see a priest yelling against homosexuality you find hes giving it to little boys behind the pulpit.
Why dont you go cuddle up to Zaccardelli and the rest and tell them all what a good boy you are.

 

[fuji]

Fuji, i didnt come in here to insult anyone. But i kinda lost it when i read stuff that shows how lilly white people like you pretend to be.
Everytime you see a priest yelling against homosexuality you find hes giving it to little boys behind the pulpit.
Why dont you go cuddle up to Zaccardelli and the rest and tell them all what a good boy you are.

So your line is you think everyone's a criminal, so why shouldn't you be one too?

 

[C Dick]

I have never had any contact with bikers what-so-ever, and I have never had a bad experience with the police, they have always been polite and professional with me. I think I have a general sense of who is who, but it is hard to know the real truth. I know a number of police officers, and they all seem like decent guys, but I know that if I was the drunk 20-year-old spitting on them, it might be different. My friend has a close friend who is a Hells Angels member, and he sounds like he really is a decent guy, he has a job and a family, and is apparently retired from badness. Again, it would likely be different if he caught you stealing from him or something. I think the most important thing is to have a legal system that affords law-abiding people lots of freedom, but still makes it possible to punish criminal behaviour, whether it is by bad bikers, bad police officers, or just regular bad people.

Another question, what bad criminal activity do Ontario biker gangs actually do? To me, growing and selling pot, or fighting with other bikers, are generally ok with me, as long as innocent people do not get hurt. And beating people who misbehave at WAGG is not the worst thing in the world either. What are the chances that a law abiding citizen could be a an intentional victim of a biker gang in Ontario? And I exclude stray bullets or perverted justice system, I am talking about a biker gang deliberately making an innocent citizen a victim of a serious crime. Don't they mostly stick to "victimless" crimes these days?

 

[fuji]

The problem with any organized crime group is that it undermines the government and subverts the rule of law.

You can say it's OK that they mostly(!) murder one another, that their primarily illegal activity, drug dealing, is generally thought of as a victimless crime. However they've got cops on the payroll (therefore causing some of the "bad cop" stuff they bitch about), an expansion of the underground economy (loosening common law civil protections not to mention tax revenue leakage), etc., and if that goes far enough it eventually becomes a real threat to the system. Plainly it's not that big a threat YET, but if we just ignore it, and don't crack down on organized groups when they spring up, it easily could get nasty (I'd say some places in the Southern USA are getting close, New Orleans might have turned out better during Katrina if 1/2 the PD there hadn't been on the mob payroll and only interested in the profit they could get.)

The ironic thing about the HA bitching about the cops is that organized crime groups are a big reason why there are bad cops in the first place. Why do you think the cops in Mexico are corrupt? You think the drug cartels there have nothing to do with it? Is that how you want thingst o be here in Canada?

If you want to know where that goes in the extreme look at some of the failed states like Somalia, or for that matter even just parts of Brazil or Mexico, where the government has essentially lost the battle with local gangs. In those places people turn to the gangs for protection, and most of the gang members are likely nice guys, just doing the job the government should be doing they'll tell you--but they're also the reason why the government failed there. If you think that's great, I invite you to try living there for some time.

Having your government disintigrate and be replaced by a bunch of gangs sucks--it leaves power in the hands of the person with the biggest private army, rather than in the hands of a social covenant shared by us all.

If our laws are screwed up or if people have problems with one another it's much better for everyone if those issues are resolved through proper legal channels. Fund a political party, get your issue on the agenda, if you don't like the current laws. If you've got a dispute with your neighbour reinforce the system by bringing your problem legally.

How far do you want it to go? So they've started in on subverting the police. You want to wait until crime groups have infiltrated a major political party? If you don't stop this stuff while it's small time you'll have a hell of a time stopping it once they're pulling the big strings.

 

[Serpent]

Another question, what bad criminal activity do Ontario biker gangs actually do? To me, growing and selling pot, or fighting with other bikers, are generally ok with me, as long as innocent people do not get hurt. And beating people who misbehave at WAGG is not the worst thing in the world either. What are the chances that a law abiding citizen could be a an intentional victim of a biker gang in Ontario? And I exclude stray bullets or perverted justice system, I am talking about a biker gang deliberately making an innocent citizen a victim of a serious crime. Don't they mostly stick to "victimless" crimes these days?

Seriously man, you consider stray bullets and public beatings acceptable and "victimless"?

 

[dude abides]

... Another question, what bad criminal activity do Ontario biker gangs actually do? To me, growing and selling pot, or fighting with other bikers, are generally ok with me, as long as innocent people do not get hurt. And beating people who misbehave at WAGG is not the worst thing in the world either. What are the chances that a law abiding citizen could be a an intentional victim of a biker gang in Ontario? And I exclude stray bullets or perverted justice system, I am talking about a biker gang deliberately making an innocent citizen a victim of a serious crime. Don't they mostly stick to "victimless" crimes these days?

I'm not sure I quite understand this.. it's ok for them fight and kill other bikers, but if an innocent bystander gets killed in the crossfire, it's OK? ASK the victim's mother or father, husband or wife, or son or daughter if it's OK?!?!

Beating patrons who misbehave at a WAGG? are you kidding me? I've never been there, but what kind of misbehaviour warrants having the sh*t kicked out them? anything short of carrying a weapon, would be inexcusable.

Growing and selling pot, pretty innoculous in general, but what about coke or heroin? they deal in that too, again ask some of the parents of the kids that get turned on to this stuff if it's alright..

I don't believe that there's such a thing as "Victimless" Crime, cause and effect comes into play here. For example, somebody robs a bank, although the money may be insured, the bank's insurance premiums goes up, well, the bank isn't just going to accept that loss, they have to find a way to make up for it, probably the easiest thing for them to do, raise banking fees..

Crime affects everybody in one way or another, no exceptions to this rule.

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Seriously man, you consider stray bullets and public beatings acceptable and "victimless"?

To be fair it’s not the bikers (least not here in GTA) who are responsible for stray bullets and public beatings etc. It’s gangs with a whole different kind of mentality and attitude altogether. Trust me I know. Don’t forget… I come up from the streets. And as most of you know I was a driver & booking agent for dancers for some time. At one point or another I had to deal with all kinds of people from all kinds of places. I’ll take a biker over a gangsta any day.

 

[dude abides]

Fuji,
The HA is among the most patriotic of Canadians around. They love Canada but fear the government and more and more Canadians are starting to fear the government. To borrow a phrase from another friend of mine, (no he isnt a biker)......

Please, elaborate.. How are they the among the most patriotic of Canadians?

I really want to know.. Do they play the National Anthem in their clubhouse? Do they take part in Canada Day festivities, do they hang out at Queen's Park waving Canadian flags? If you love your country, respect its laws..

That's funny, I have no fear of the government, I've got no reason to fear the government. We put them in power to execute the mandate that we set for them and if you don't like it, vote for another party and convince as many people to vote likewise.