Can we discuss Arab rights in Arab States.
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Hey if Ben Lombardi thinks so then it must be right. Tangible evidence please, not opinion of some guy at Dept of National Defence.Other Wanderer said:Since I can't declassify the CIA, maybe this will help ...
from "Algeria and the Paradox of Democracy" ...
We should therefore reflect upon the strategy adopted by the Algerian regime, which bears an uncanny resemblance to those adopted at the insistence of the CIA by military regimes in South America (e.g. Chile and Nicaragua). According to Ben Lombardi, who is with the Directorate of Strategic Analysis at the Department of National Defence in Ottawa, Canada: “In 1991, the West supported the coup in Algeria ... ”
reference - Lombardi, Ben, ‘Turkey: The Return of the Reluctant Generals’, Political Science Quarterly, Summer 1997, Vol. 112, No. 2
oh dear.
I hate people with secret information about the CIA.
For the record, Hussein, for a time was pro-U.S. and he's been replaced by a govt. democratically elected (thanks to the U.S.) that is far less pro-U.S.
Panama had a leader - Mr. Noriega - you might remember him - very pro-U.S. - and he too has been replaced, thanks to the U.S., in spite of his many pictures with top U.S. officials.
Ah - but you'll cite mitigating circumstances. (And I'll ignore them.)
Nevermind the fact that the U.S. has been, since WW2 - the single greatest force in favour of democracy - in the Soviet Union, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, and also China - having already mentioned Egypt and Kuwait. No country has done more to promote democracy in history! Not one!
Saying they "supported" something or other can mean a million different things. In this case it means "recognized".
I hate people with secret information about the CIA.
For the record, Hussein, for a time was pro-U.S. and he's been replaced by a govt. democratically elected (thanks to the U.S.) that is far less pro-U.S.
Panama had a leader - Mr. Noriega - you might remember him - very pro-U.S. - and he too has been replaced, thanks to the U.S., in spite of his many pictures with top U.S. officials.
Ah - but you'll cite mitigating circumstances. (And I'll ignore them.)
Nevermind the fact that the U.S. has been, since WW2 - the single greatest force in favour of democracy - in the Soviet Union, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, and also China - having already mentioned Egypt and Kuwait. No country has done more to promote democracy in history! Not one!
Saying they "supported" something or other can mean a million different things. In this case it means "recognized".
A Scouser/Marc seperate forum for Zealots
If the votes came in and Scouser and I had our own forum to spoute propoganda what would happen ?
I would accept the forum.
Scouser would say I had no right to it and go on the attack.
I would give Scouser more of the forum,and he would continue to attack.
Others like Wanderer and TQM etc etc would say Scouser deserves more and its all my fault and provive many ridiculous links that no one would read.
I would give Scouser even more of the forum until I had a tiny little piece.
Scouser would then say that he and 500 friends deserve the right to said forum and that I do not even exist.
Scouser would then ask for a TERB boycott of my threads and posts.
Thanks Basket but it could never work.
Funny thing is though my friend Basket is that many people would call you a Zealot- I don't but I guess its just where one stands.
Seriously now, have you ever read a Kahane book, because many points of his were quite rational and not racist. You have actually mentioned issues and ideas that he did state years ago .
Aw come on Basketcase ,basketcase said:Can we vote to give scouser and marc their own forum so the zealots on each side can yell and scream without having to go beyond propoganda.
Seriously, Fatah wants Jews to stay? Last I heard, people get killed because they might have sold Jews "Palestinian" land.
If the votes came in and Scouser and I had our own forum to spoute propoganda what would happen ?
I would accept the forum.
Scouser would say I had no right to it and go on the attack.
I would give Scouser more of the forum,and he would continue to attack.
Others like Wanderer and TQM etc etc would say Scouser deserves more and its all my fault and provive many ridiculous links that no one would read.
I would give Scouser even more of the forum until I had a tiny little piece.
Scouser would then say that he and 500 friends deserve the right to said forum and that I do not even exist.
Scouser would then ask for a TERB boycott of my threads and posts.
Thanks Basket but it could never work.
Funny thing is though my friend Basket is that many people would call you a Zealot- I don't but I guess its just where one stands.
Seriously now, have you ever read a Kahane book, because many points of his were quite rational and not racist. You have actually mentioned issues and ideas that he did state years ago .
no marcy,
Let me assure you I think your are both rather imbecilic.
I think with every right, there are corresponding duties. The right to express an opinion comes with the corresponding duty to not abuse that right.
Bigots are in violation of this duty. Imbeciles are in violation of this duty (just because you have the right to express an opinion doesn't mean you have to express that opinion.)
Let me assure you I think your are both rather imbecilic.
I think with every right, there are corresponding duties. The right to express an opinion comes with the corresponding duty to not abuse that right.
Bigots are in violation of this duty. Imbeciles are in violation of this duty (just because you have the right to express an opinion doesn't mean you have to express that opinion.)
Funny though.marc said:Aw come on Basketcase ,
If the votes came in and Scouser and I had our own forum to spoute propoganda what would happen ?
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Yeah right! Your head is so up your ass!TQM said:Nevermind the fact that the U.S. has been, since WW2 - the single greatest force in favour of democracy - in the Soviet Union, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, East Germany, and also China - having already mentioned Egypt and Kuwait. No country has done more to promote democracy in history! Not one!
How about British Colonies you f@?
At least the independence given to the colonies was not based on economic reasons! The politics of the US has never been for democracy, they have always sponsored rebel groups to do the job in their place - no matter the affiliation!
I do not know any other country that has been so clumsy, opportunist and lacking of personal integrity than the US in their sponsoring choices. But yeah you're right they are for democracy.
France for one, is there a longer list of failed colonies than the French colonies.....osanowo said:Yeah right! Your head is so up your ass!
How about British Colonies you f@?
At least the independence given to the colonies was not based on economic reasons! The politics of the US has never been for democracy, they have always sponsored rebel groups to do the job in their place - no matter the affiliation!
I do not know any other country that has been so clumsy, opportunist and lacking of personal integrity than the US in their sponsoring choices. But yeah you're right they are for democracy.
OTB
No, I'm not that mad!TQM said:are you saying the British had colonies as a means of promoting democracy? Are you insane?
I'm saying that the efforts made by some countries after the colonization era brought more democracy than the American effort - and GB is a good example of efficient transitions, unlike France I admit.
Now for your information, OTB, the French assess of colonies is not as bad as some leftist would like to think. I have been staying and working in quite a lot of African countries, and have always noticed how the oldest generations compare how they lived then and how they live now.
French is probably not an economic example, but they knew how to mix with populations - hence the eloquent know how on human intelligence.
When I was working in St Louis, Senegal, an elder came to me and said: "The independence, when does it end?"
What can you answer to that?
Well the common wealth had not, to my opinion, that particular goal. It was somehow to bring civilization - and it has made these countries jump centuries ahead.TQM said:Britain's goals weren't to spread democracy, right? As for transitions, I can think of a few transitions that didn't go so smoothly for Britain. (And it wasn't a French goal either....)
Now I know that some transitions did not go smoothly - but it does not shadow the fact that it wasn't 100%.
Speaking of 100%, I'd say we are pretty close to the American score of failed attempts. But that I am sure you will never admit considering how you dodge the matter.
