Canada Post on Strike

JohnLarue

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This is your answer for everything isn't. Spoken like somebody that doesn't pay any taxes of significance.
actually "spoken like somebody that doesn't think objectively to any significance"
a common occurrence in ideologues
 

Frankfooter

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actually "spoken like somebody that doesn't think objectively to any significance"
a common occurrence in ideologues
Like the way you run away from the climate change threads after you are challenged to defend your claims?
 

LickingG2

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I pay my fair share of taxes, all I ask is that the 1% also pay their fair share.
Why does that seem wrong to you?

The decline in social services in the US and Canada has followed the neoliberal economic, austerity driven model.
The trickle down effect just made the rich richer and let them slowly defund health care, education, social services and next, the post office.

I hate it when people target other people who have jobs that pay middle class wages as if they are the problem.
I don't what you think is your fair share is. Talk to me when more that 50% of your marginal income. Until then I will regard as a free-loader you sound like.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't what you think is your fair share. Talk to me when more that 50% of your marginal income.
Talk to me when you are actually paying that full tax rate and not using deductions and accounting to keep it around what the middle and lower class pay.
 

K Douglas

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So easy to say "tax the rich".

According to a new Fraser Institute study, mentioned in today's Toronto Sun, the top 20% of Ontario's income earning families, those earning $261,620 or more, earn 49.9% of all income in the province, yet pay 56.9% of personal Federal and Provincial income taxes, plus 58% of total taxes collected by all three levels of government in Ontario.

The middle 20% of Ontarian families - those earning between $112,134 and $169,493 - earn 14.7% of total income, yet pay 10.3% of personal income taxes and 12.8% of total taxes.

The bottom 29% of Ontarian families, those earning less than $65,100, earn 4.7% of total income, yet pay 0.8% of income taxes and 2% of the total taxes.

So, not only do high-earning families pay the majority of all taxes in the province, they're also the only group to pay disproportionally more than their share of total income.

And that does not include people who work in cash businesses, such as some types of construction, or the sex industry, and who, despite earning decent incomes, often declare little or no income and pay little or no taxes. So they are, in effect, being subsidized by honest taxpayers.

I make a pretty good income, but with a high top marginal tax rate, my net income is just covering my monthly rent, personal expenses and much-needed assistance for one of my children who has a lot of prescription medicine needs not covered by OHIP, and can't find a full time job that pays a basic living wage. My son works in construction. If he gets laid off in the current new construction slump, I'll have to help him too.

The rich are taxed enough. Extreme taxation kills the incentive to work harder, or create more, when the government is clawing away much of people's income rewards for their above average hard work and efforts.

Part of the reason for the U.S. economy's relative success compared to Canada is the far lower personal income taxes they pay.

Jenesis, maybe you declare all your income, or maybe you don't. It's none of my business. But if you're not declaring your full income and paying the required income taxes, saying "tax the rich is" way too convenient and inappropriate.
What would be even more interesting to know is what does the top 5% earn in income and pay in taxes. I would bet that they pay more than double their income share. Yet ignoramouses like Frankie say tax them more. Easy to say when you're not paying the piper. So the top 20% of family earners in Ontario make $261,620. Depending upon where you live and the size of the family, that could be well off or that could be upper middle income. If one earner makes $175K and the other $86.5K they retain 69.8% of their income after income taxes, CPP and EI. $182,490. Or $15,208 per month. A family of 5 living in Toronto could see 1/3 of that sucked up in housing costs - mortgage, utilities, property taxes, insurance and maintenance. Which would leave $10K per month for groceries, car payments, cell phones, internet, cable, travel, clothing, kids activities and savings. Not exactly rich.
 

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What would be even more interesting to know is what does the top 5% earn in income and pay in taxes. I would bet that they pay more than double their income share. Yet ignoramouses like Frankie say tax them more. Easy to say when you're not paying the piper. So the top 20% of family earners in Ontario make $261,620. Depending upon where you live and the size of the family, that could be well off or that could be upper middle income. If one earner makes $175K and the other $86.5K they retain 69.8% of their income after income taxes, CPP and EI. $182,490. Or $15,208 per month. A family of 5 living in Toronto could see 1/3 of that sucked up in housing costs - mortgage, utilities, property taxes, insurance and maintenance. Which would leave $10K per month for groceries, car payments, cell phones, internet, cable, travel, clothing, kids activities and savings. Not exactly rich.
That's the Fraser Institute talking point, its an intentional attempt to reframe the argument from the 1% top earners to the 20% in order to gain sympathy.
Keep this discussion to the 1%.
 

JohnLarue

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That's the Fraser Institute talking point, its an intentional attempt to reframe the argument from the 1% top earners to the 20% in order to gain sympathy.
Keep this discussion to the 1%.
That's your talking point, and its an intentional attempt to reframe the argument from the 20% top earners to the 1% in order to promote uneducated outrage
Keep this discussion to the 1%.
the discussion goes where it goes

nobody in their right mind will let you dictate limits on their free speech to them
 

Frankfooter

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That's your talking point, and its an intentional attempt to reframe the argument from the 20% top earners to the 1% in order to promote uneducated outrage
Keep this discussion to the 1%.
the discussion goes where it goes

nobody in their right mind will let you dictate limits on their free speech to them
Sure, if you want to keep talking about the wrong points, nobody can stop you.
As we've seen here for years.
 

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How many crimes does cp solve in a year?
More than you think. They are the leading interceptor of illicit goods (drugs, guns, counterfeit cash, etc) both from border crossings and in cross-provincial shipping. Not only that, but because there's post being delivered literally everywhere in the country without it the RCMP would have a drastically harder time tracking where these goods (and their intended criminal element) end up.
 

Ceiling Cat

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The gov. should implement a 10 year plan to streamline Canada post.
 

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More than you think. They are the leading interceptor of illicit goods (drugs, guns, counterfeit cash, etc) both from border crossings and in cross-provincial shipping. Not only that, but because there's post being delivered literally everywhere in the country without it the RCMP would have a drastically harder time tracking where these goods (and their intended criminal element) end up.
So it doesn't go through a boarder Security? I don't think Canada Post handles the security of international shipping. Maybe cross province but not coming into Canada.
 
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philonius

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So it doesn't go through a boarder Security? I don't think Canada Post handles the security of international shipping. Maybe cross province but not coming into Canada.
Customs and Border Patrol screens yes, but CP is the one that loads and ships and each distro center and handoff is a touch point that can result in illegal content discovery. That's not the point tho. I was just saying that in fact there's another intrinsic benefit to having our own publicly-owned postal service.

The demonization of Canada Post, and esp it's workers, is purposeful. When they are painted as useless and greedy it makes us ok with it's dissolution of service so it can eventually be privatized. That's the end goal of people that tell you you shouldn't fight for more: To accept less so they can take more for themselves.
 

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they do not have 10 years
10 months maybe

i do not think you have a clue what is going to happen to our country
Oh, great Guru Larue gaze into your crusty balls and tell us the future.....................otherwise I will have to wait 10 months and see if Canada Post is still around.
 
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JohnLarue

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Oh, great Guru Larue gaze into your crusty balls and tell us the future.....................otherwise I will have to wait 10 months and see if Canada Post is still around.
i already told you
they do not have 10 years
10 months maybe

i do not think you have a clue what is going to happen to our country
 
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