Carney taking on Trump

[Butler1000]

trump states a lot and then states something different the next day

you were crystal clear the minimum time to do a deal in the US was 18 months
WRONG
approx. 60 days


no do not wait for others
Carney needs to act in the best interest of Canada
Canada is also far more exposed to trade than China is


that's not a proper admission when you are plain wrong



you saw a trade war coming years ago ?
I do not believe you

i have also managed my affairs prudently, however i do think about the risks to other Canadians


So no need to elect a Carney saviour at the cost of 4 more years of corrupt liberals then

You obviously haven't been following correctly. I said the minimum time it has taken in the past for a new comprehensive trade agreement was 18 months. Now if, as I predict, they use the USMCA as the basis, do a few tweaks, he declares victory, just like last time, with the original NAFTA in 2018, then sure 60 days.

Which is why I'm not overtly worried and want to capitulate like you. And No Nation works in a bubble. The USA does need us. Especially if it wants to increase it's manufacturing base. Where else but Canada will it be cheaper for raw materials? He is just spouting for clickbait and to move the negotiating line. So we hold it, let more nations pile on, and eventually this one man show will wither.

I saw bad times coming, a 100 yesr cycle with a pandemic, increased chances of war instability, wealth inequality, and a rise in populism. How tech will change the economy. Go look at 1900 -1930. Different order, different particulars, but adding up to the same results worldwide. I stared making changes in 2008ish. Increased them by 2014.

I read history. It's all right there.

As for Canada any infrastructure to change trade dynamics is 10 years away from completion if we start now. So yes we will be hurting. That's life.

 

[nottyboi]

Wow, you're a Trudeau fan boy, says it all. And yes he should defend Freeland, she is a key member of his cabinet. Guess you're a fan of how Trudeau treated the women in his caucus, Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott. Champion of women that Trudeau...until he isn't/wasn't. And if you want to challenge Trump, more than trying to mouth something, you need to show leadership. And how your fanboy Trudeau got into trouble with Trump, trying to backstab him with other political leaders. Trudeau should have been gone long ago, most incompetent PM ever.

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but what she did does make her a traitorous cunt. She is minster of transport and internal trade, so who gives a fuck what Trump thinks of her. Does Trump care that his entire cabinet are retarded sycophants?

 

[JohnLarue]

But he won't. So why rant about it.

you do not seem to have a clue what is at risk here

 

[Butler1000]

you do not seem to have a clue what is at risk here

Canada trade starts shift away from U.S.

Canada traded significantly less with the United States in March but made up for it at the start of a trade war between neighbours with increased overseas shipments, official data showed Tuesday.

www.ctvnews.ca

I can see clearly. You are myopic in thinking we can't diversity while this gets sorted out.

 

[JohnLarue]

You obviously haven't been following correctly. I said the minimum time it has taken in the past for a new comprehensive trade agreement was 18 months. Now if, as I predict, they use the USMCA as the basis, do a few tweaks, he declares victory, just like last time, with the original NAFTA in 2018, then sure 60 days.

but you were dead wrong
18 months will be a disaster for Canada

Which is why I'm not overtly worried and want to capitulate like you.

again you are dead wrong
at no point did i say we need to capitulate
we need a deal, but that does not mean capitulate
a give on supply management means less expensive food and could be the price for a thriving softwood lumber sector, better oil pricing and securing our share of the auto sector

And No Nation works in a bubble. The USA does need us.

not as much as Canada needs the US
here is Trumps leverage vs Canada

• Canadas economy is 2/3 trade dependant
• 3/4 of Canadas trade is with the US
• The US economy is 2/3 domestic consumption
• 17 to 20% of US trade is with Canada

he can wait us out

Especially if it wants to increase it's manufacturing base. Where else but Canada will it be cheaper for raw materials? He is just spouting for clickbait and to move the negotiating line.

i have never claimed we have zero leverage
other than potash most of what we sell can be sourced elsewhere

So we hold it, let more nations pile on, and eventually this one man show will wither.

that assumes he does not make any deals with the numerous countries currently knocking on his door

his strategy may not work
but we do not want to be the country without a deal when the music stops

I saw bad times coming, a 100 yesr cycle with a pandemic, increased chances of war instability, wealth inequality, and a rise in populism. How tech will change the economy. Go look at 1900 -1930. Different order, different particulars, but adding up to the same results worldwide. I stared making changes in 2008ish. Increased them by 2014.

a Svengali managing risk 9 years ahead of the curve ?
who you think you are fooling ?

As for Canada any infrastructure to change trade dynamics is 10 years away from completion if we start now. So yes we will be hurting. That's life.

??
infrastructure is not a real issue relative to securing a trade deal with the US
had we built energy east starting in 2015 we would have much more leverage , but alas we elected a moron instead in 2015
and yes a pipeline can be built in a decade if govt gets out of the way

infrastructure development in Canada will be forever constrained by politics / special interest groups so long as the insane Bill C-69 remains in place.

 

[JohnLarue]

Canada trade starts shift away from U.S.

Canada traded significantly less with the United States in March but made up for it at the start of a trade war between neighbours with increased overseas shipments, official data showed Tuesday.

www.ctvnews.ca

I can see clearly. You are myopic in thinking we can't diversity while this gets sorted out.

i never said that
knock your self out and let us know how many hundred tons of steel, aluminon and canola you are able to sell internationally

give us a call when you get to 1-2% of our US trade and then i will ask you how much you had to discount the price

 

[Butler1000]

but you were dead wrong
18 months will be a disaster for Canada


again you are dead wrong
at no point did i say we need to capitulate
we need a deal, but that does not mean capitulate
a give on supply management means less expensive food and could be the price for a thriving softwood lumber sector, better oil pricing and securing our share of the auto sector



not as much as Canada needs the US
here is Trumps leverage vs Canada

• Canadas economy is 2/3 trade dependant
• 3/4 of Canadas trade is with the US
• The US economy is 2/3 domestic consumption
• 17 to 20% of US trade is with Canada

he can wait us out


i have never claimed we have zero leverage
other than potash most of what we sell can be sourced elsewhere


that assumes he does not make any deals with the numerous countries currently knocking on his door

his strategy may not work
but we do not want to be the country with a deal when the music stops



a Svengali managing risk 9 years ahead of the curve ?
who you think you are fooling ?



??
infrastructure is not a real issue relative to securing a trade deal with the US
had we built energy east starting in 2015 we would have much more leverage , but alas we elected a moron instead in 2015
and yes a pipeline can be built in a decade if govt gets out of the way

infrastructure development in Canada will be forever constrained by politics / special interest groups so long as the insane Bill C-69 remains in place.

Lol. Sounds like a lot of Chicken Little Capitulating to me.

And all I did was take precautions. Lessen risk. Worked out for both the pandemic as I remained fully employed. And since as I feel no stress over world events.

As for sourcing elsewhere.....not nearly as cheaply. That's the point. Isn't that always the point in trade. I'm good with sending them things at reduced transport costs.

You are dreaming about giving in on food. Won't happen. It's now a Canadian National security issue to keep them as limited as possible to prevent multinational from controlling any aspect of our food and water supplies. To promote this at the cost of Canadian producers to save a few bucks is near traitorous imo. Stop trying to sell out core Canadian sovereignty issues for pennies.

 

[Butler1000]

i never said that
knock your self out and let us know how many hundred tons of steel, aluminon and canola you are able to sell internationally

give us a call when you get to 1-2% of our US trade and then i will ask you how much you had to discount the price

As China is banning imports from the USA and other are following yes we can be a source. And will be. They will want to fill those shipping containers in BC and Montreal before going back. Empty containers mean less profit.

And the USA is still buying from us. They actually don't have other options available. They are just paying more now, and passing it along.

 

[JohnLarue]

Lol. Sounds like a lot of Chicken Little Capitulating to me.

i cannot help it if you are not able to comprehend plain English

what specifically did you not understand about this ?

at no point did i say we need to capitulate
we need a deal, but that does not mean capitulate
a give on supply management means less expensive food and could be the price for a thriving softwood lumber sector, better oil pricing and securing our share of the auto sector

And all I did was take precautions. Lessen risk. Worked out for both the pandemic as I remained fully employed. And since as I feel no stress over world events.

again congratulations
however there up to a million jobs in Canada dependant on US trade, you do need to consider
if we lose the auto sector or any significant portion of the Auto Sector , Ontario is screwed and wont be able to provide the universal health care I know you take for granted
Retaining the auto sector is not just about tariffs, longer term it will be about industrial carbon taxes and corporate tax burden as well

As for sourcing elsewhere.....not nearly as cheaply. That's the point. Isn't that always the point in trade. I'm good with sending them things at reduced transport costs.

cheaper than Mexico ?

You are dreaming about giving in on food. Won't happen. It's now a Canadian National security issue to keep them as limited as possible to prevent multinational from controlling any aspect of our food and water supplies.

200% + tariffs on Dairy that kick in at specified volumes has absolutely nothing to do with national security
that is protecting market share for a very rich and politically powerful Quebec lobby group. ie a special interest group
no ifs / ands or buts about it

Canadians can compete
Canada has already dialed back the restrictions on food for other trade deals
and this will be the contentious issue for Trump
this is likely the win he will insist on to do a deal

To promote this at the cost of Canadian producers to save a few bucks is near traitorous imo.

lighten up
this is about so much more than saving consumers money
and pretending it is not is disingenuous at best

stow the obnoxious traitorous rhetoric , nobody in Canada was looking for this trade war
What is the matter with you ?

Stop trying to sell out core Canadian sovereignty issues for pennies.

bullshit
a thriving softwood lumber sector, lower consumer prices, better oil pricing and securing our share of the auto sector is not pennies

How many times do facts need to be clearly laid out for you to clue in?

 

[JohnLarue]

As China is banning imports from the USA and other are following yes we can be a source. And will be. They will want to fill those shipping containers in BC and Montreal before going back. Empty containers mean less profit.

And the USA is still buying from us. They actually don't have other options available. They are just paying more now, and passing it along.

knock your self out and let us know how many hundred tons of steel, aluminon and canola you are able to sell internationally

give us a call when you get to 1-2% of our US trade and then i will ask you how much you had to discount the price

 

[the general]

I am not a fan of Trudeau, but what she did does make her a traitorous cunt. She is minster of transport and internal trade, so who gives a fuck what Trump thinks of her. Does Trump care that his entire cabinet are retarded sycophants?

Wow, you seem to have some serious issues, I would suggest you find a solution to deal with those problems.

 

[Butler1000]

i cannot help it if you are not able to comprehend plain English

what specifically did you not understand about this ?




again congratulations
however there up to a million jobs in Canada dependant on US trade, you do need to consider
if we lose the auto sector or any significant portion of the Auto Sector , Ontario is screwed and wont be able to provide the universal health care I know you take for granted
Retaining the auto sector is not just about tariffs, longer term it will be about industrial carbon taxes and corporate tax burden as well





cheaper than Mexico ?



200% + tariffs on Dairy that kick in at specified volumes has absolutely nothing to do with national security
that is protecting market share for a very rich and politically powerful Quebec lobby group. ie a special interest group
no ifs / ands or buts about it

Canadians can compete
Canada has already dialed back the restrictions on food for other trade deals
and this will be the contentious issue for Trump
this is likely the win he will insist on to do a deal


lighten up
this is about so much more than saving consumers money
and pretending it is not is disingenuous at best

stow the obnoxious traitorous rhetoric , nobody in Canada was looking for this trade war
What is the matter with you ?



bullshit
a thriving softwood lumber sector, lower consumer prices, better oil pricing and securing our share of the auto sector is not pennies

How many times do facts need to be clearly laid out for you to clue in?

And you are still yelling about things. So what? What are you accomplishing? What will happen at this point will happen.

And the USA has never paid a single dairy tariff because we produce more than enough. We produce more than enough because we support our farmers. Ask USA farmers right now how they feel about Trump. Whole lot of soybean farmers are fucked. And many others as well.

But when they have to sell to the multinationals I'm sure you will celebrate it as the market in action.

Dude. They haven't stopped buying oil, electricity, or even lumber(we supply 30% of that). And auto tariffs are paused because the donors told him too. We are not losing this really. It's disruptive but because they don't in reality have replacements available we aren't in trouble.

Thats why they are screaming down south. They have to increase prices to do business on the things we export.

 

[Butler1000]

knock your self out and let us know how many hundred tons of steel, aluminon and canola you are able to sell internationally

give us a call when you get to 1-2% of our US trade and then i will ask you how much you had to discount the price

Look at my article. Already happening.

 

[DesRicardo]

Carney should not have agreed to a public forum like that.
He had to know Trump would turn it into a circus where Trump would dominate him


Carney was able to make the point :Canada is not for sale
To his credit, I suspect the 51st state rhetoric will start to fade.
That said, as you point out he did what any other leader would do.
yet far short of what he sold himself on in the election

thus far , I am not seeing the justification for 4 more years of the corrupt liberal party

Carney had no choice to meet Trump. It was going to happen, might as well get it out the way.

It's funny to me how the bar so quickly lowered for Carney. Every outlet I go to basically says since he didn't anger Trump, he did a good job. How? He still told him Canada would be better as a 51st state, he's not dropping tariffs, He doesn't want steel or lumber, then he insulted Trudeau and Freeland.

And this is after Carney kissed his ass and explained Canada's investment in Military spending and Border security.

Wasn't a horrible meeting, but far from good as well.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

 

[JohnLarue]

And you are still yelling about things. So what? What are you accomplishing? What will happen at this point will happen.

and why are you still blithering ?

And the USA has never paid a single dairy tariff because

200% + tariffs on Dairy that kick in at specified volumes that is why

But when they have to sell to the multinationals I'm sure you will celebrate it as the market in action.

the sure sign the opponent is losing is when they try to make it personal

so i guess you think this is acceptable

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Yes, Canadian dairy farmers have been reported to dump large quantities of milk down the drain due to a system of supply management that limits production and sets prices. A study estimated that between 2012 and 2021, over 6.8 billion liters of milk, potentially worth $14.9 billion, was discarded, representing a significant portion of annual production.

ask you yourself how can any industry manage to throw away $14.9 billion worth of product and still stay profitable ?

something is very very wrong when 1/2 Canadian families are $200 a month away from insolvency and struggling with high grocery prices and $14.9 billion of Nutritious milk is poured down the drain in order to enrich and protect a special interest group

Dude. They haven't stopped buying oil, electricity, or even lumber(we supply 30% of that). And auto tariffs are paused because the donors told him too. We are not losing this really. It's disruptive but because they don't in reality have replacements available we aren't in trouble.

you do not have a clue how much damage a prolong tariff war will cause Canada

 

[Frankfooter]

You are clueless on what's going on in the world franky...based on the tweets you share daily...your head is buried so far up your ass...

Ok, El Risitas, tell us what is going on in the world.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1919793699321741801

 

[nottyboi]

Wow, you seem to have some serious issues, I would suggest you find a solution to deal with those problems.

What serious issues?

 

[nottyboi]

and why are you still blithering ?



200% + tariffs on Dairy that kick in at specified volumes that is why





the sure sign the opponent is losing is when they try to make it personal

so i guess you think this is acceptable


ask you yourself how can any industry manage to throw away $14.9 billion worth of product and still stay profitable ?

something is very very wrong when 1/2 Canadian families are $200 a month away from insolvency and struggling with high grocery prices and $14.9 billion of Nutritious milk is poured down the drain in order to enrich and protect a special interest group



you do not have a clue how much damage a prolong tariff war will cause Canada

I would say incompetence lies on 2 parties. 1 the farmers, why are they producing so much more milk then quota.? They gotta feed all those cows to throw away milk. 2 . The collective, why don't they allow foreigners to buy this milk for export? Or build milk products factories that are 100% for export. Even a simple product like milk powder. The supply management system has been around a long time. Your dreamboat Harper did not eliminate it and your current crush PP also did not say he would change it.

 

[nottyboi]

and why are you still blithering ?



200% + tariffs on Dairy that kick in at specified volumes that is why





the sure sign the opponent is losing is when they try to make it personal

so i guess you think this is acceptable


ask you yourself how can any industry manage to throw away $14.9 billion worth of product and still stay profitable ?

something is very very wrong when 1/2 Canadian families are $200 a month away from insolvency and struggling with high grocery prices and $14.9 billion of Nutritious milk is poured down the drain in order to enrich and protect a special interest group



you do not have a clue how much damage a prolong tariff war will cause Canada

It won't be prolonged. The mid terms are already looming