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CAW defiant in face of Chrysler's demands

rafterman

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Hey CAW, just calm down whatever the difference is between what you need and what Chrysler can do, we'll cut you a cheque for the difference.

Just don't do anything rash.

O.K.?

The same goes for you, Chrysler, just tell us what you need to do a deal.

CAW defiant in face of Chrysler's demands


The CAW's president says his union will not abandon pattern bargaining despite a threat by Chrysler Canada to shut down operations in this country if it doesn't get big concessions on labour costs.


12/03/2009 2:00:32 PM



CAW defiant in face of Chrysler's demands
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Canadian Auto Workers President Ken Lewenza speaks during a press conference in Toronto, Thursday, March 5, 2009.

CTV.ca News Staff

"There's going to be absolutely no walking away from the pattern bargained," Ken Lewenza told The Canadian Press in an interview Thursday.

"If they out-and-out say, 'Sorry Ken, we're not going to meet the pattern,' then we're not going to get an agreement in Canada."

On Wednesday, General Motors reached an agreement with CAW that included major concessions by the union, in hopes of getting federal bailout funds.

CAW members voted 87 per cent in favour of the cost-cutting contract that includes a wage freeze to September 2012, the elimination of an annual bonus and a reduction in paid time off, among other concessions.

The CAW has generally used its first deal with a Big Three automaker to set a pattern for agreements with the other two.

"They sent me the message (Wednesday) afternoon that they didn't think the General Motors pattern agreement met the needs of Chrysler, but that was the same message that they've sent our bargaining committee at Chrysler over and over and over following a patterned settlement," Lewenza said. "They do that during good times."

At a Wednesday evening parliamentary committee meeting, Chrysler LLC painted a grim picture of its situation in Canada, saying it needs billion of dollars in help if it is to survive.

Chrysler President and Vice-Chairman Tom LaSorda told MPs the company is seeking US$2.3 billion from the Canadian government, plus a break on a fight over taxes and major sacrifices from the Canadian Auto Workers.

LaSorda said Chrysler is willing to pull out of Canada, where it employs 10,000 hourly workers, if it makes financial sense to do so.

"Chrysler LLC cannot afford to manufacture products in a jurisdiction that in uncompetitive relative to other automotive jurisdictions," he said on Wednesday.

LaSorda said his company's labour costs are $70 an hour in wages and benefits for both current workers and retirees. He says it needs to be cut by $20 per hour to be competitive.

Ontario's economic development minister tried to pass off Chrysler's threat to leave Canada if its demands aren't met as simply a worst-case scenario being presented as part of a bargaining process.

"I know Tom LaSorda, he's a great Canadian and he's not somebody who wants to be known as they guy who shut down Chrysler," Michael Bryant told reporters in Toronto on Thursday.

"It was a ham-fisted way of expressing the reality that, in the absence of an agreement, Chrysler's going to face critical challenges."

Clement's view

"I think he's more or less stating the obvious in a bit of apocalyptic terms, but in accurate terms too," Industry Minister Tony Clement said Thursday about LaSorda's remarks.

He told Canada AM the Canadian auto industry is in the midst of an "existential crisis" and government, unions and management must work together or the sector will lose its ability to compete.

Clement said the government wants to help Chrysler, but needs assurance that the investment is safe -- a sentiment echoed by Bryant. He said all players need to work together to make the industry competitive.

"The fact of the matter is unless government of course, but also labour and management come together to severely restructure the auto industry both in Canada and the U.S., we're into a place where they cannot compete and they cannot succeed," Clement said.

Chrysler LLC is taking some of the right steps, Clement said, such as looking for international partnerships as a means of remaining in business.

He also said the money from Ottawa would be a loan that the government would expect to be repaid. It would also be vital that the company continues to produce vehicles in Canada at current levels.

"We want to get this money back out of the auto sector over a period of time," Clement said.

"These are repayable loans. We want to make sure Canada maintains its 20 per cent of production that we have right now in the North American auto sector, so these are the kinds of things wee reviewing in both the case of Chrysler and GM."

He said there will be a flurry of discussions and negotiations over the next few weeks as the government decides "is it going to be money well spent and not money down the drain."

Chrysler Canada and its parent company, Chrysler LLC, have had their sales hammered by the economic downturn.

Its sales were down 27 per cent in February compared to last year and it has asked Ottawa for a $1 billion in emergency loans as it works on its restructuring plan.

Just last week, Chrysler announced it would be cutting 1,200 jobs in Windsor, Ont., by eliminating the third shift at its minivan assembly plant.

The Windsor plant produces the Chrysler Town & Country and Dodge Grand Caravan minivans and has about 4,450 hourly workers. It is the company's only supplier on minivans as two other minivan plants have been shut down in the U.S.

LaSorda said the company could move the Windsor plant to either of the other sites they previously shut down.

However, Lewenza said the company's assembly plants in Windsor and Brampton are state-of-the-art facilities.

"It wouldn't make any business sense, because both the Brampton and Windsor assembly plants are very productive plants, they're very profitable plants, the workforce is the highest of quality and the best of productivity," he said.

Shutting down those plants would harm Chrysler's ability to cut costs and turn around its operations, Lewenza said.

With files from The Canadian Press
 

WoodPeckr

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No it's not.
 

LancsLad

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WoodPeckr said:
No it's not.


It should be.

All a bailout does is take from those who have done something to give to those who can't.


Cut'em all loose, let'em sink.



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good to go

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Good Bye and take your shitty attitude and worthless cars and good for nothing executives with you also.:mad:

I would not give them the sweat from my balls.
 

Dark Chimera

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Come on, this is posturing from both sides.

Nothing can be taken seriously here.

Do you think the CAW would not agree to go from $70 per hour to $50 if push came to shove?


"No way we will surrender, we will lose are still sweet jobs at $50, as well as our pension, and go work at Tim Hortons before we sacrifice our dignity."

They are arrogant but not that stupid.

If you were the head of the CAW would you not want to look strong for the sake of apperance? You have to put on a show for the electorate, in this case the CAW workers.

This is a test of our politicians ... are they strong enough to call the CAW bluff and potentially lose some votes?
 

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Why bail out a car company if not enough people buy their cars to make them profitable? The market is oversaturated as it is.
 

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Inferno said:
Why bail out a car company if not enough people buy their cars to make them profitable? The market is oversaturated as it is.
Because union members vote and they vote democrat
 

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Because union members vote and they vote democrat
Just as I suspected: realpolitiks. This has nothing to do with the business of building and selling cars.
 

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Just as I suspected: realpolitiks. This has nothing to do with the business of building and selling cars.
No it does not

it has to do with re-elections and graft
 

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The jobs are all going to Mexico,cheap labor. That's what happened after the TTC choose Bombardier to make the new subway cars for them. Most of the labor for the trains is being done in Mexico and Howard Moscoe kept telling people that it would keep the people of Sudbury employed instead of getting the trains made elsewhere. It is a lost cause the jobs are going and are going fast, the labor is being outsourced to sweat shop places.
 

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The jobs are all going to Mexico,cheap labor. That's what happened after the TTC choose Bombardier to make the new subway cars for them. Most of the labor for the trains is being done in Mexico and Howard Moscoe kept telling people that it would keep the people of Sudbury employed instead of getting the trains made elsewhere. It is a lost cause the jobs are going and are going fast, the labor is being outsourced to sweat shop places.
NAFTA was good when it only drained jobs from the US. Now that is drains jobs from Canada it is bad.

I never seen NAFTA as a good deal but then again I never trusted Clinton
 

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I dont trust any of them, how can anyone say politician and trust in the same sentence.:mad:
bend over and take it like a man


you act as if you have not been butt fuck before
 

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the union and the company are posturing , could chrysler move everything south , yep but if that is the only way the can make money they are done anyway. The union WILL NOT BUDGE FROM THIS AGREEMENT that is until the find out that managment and the government are serious.

The money will have to be justified and giving a private company with billions in the bank tax dollars to bail a company because it may be important is not going to wash. A couple of polls have shown the general public, you know the ones who don't get 32.00 and hour for unskilled labour are not really sympathetic to the unions fate.

Time will tell but letting one of them go down the toilet may bring some sanity to the situation, all parties need to be prepared to bleed before they get public money, a couple of bucks and hour in benefit reductions does not cut it.
 

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the union and the company are posturing , could chrysler move everything south , yep but if that is the only way the can make money they are done anyway. The union WILL NOT BUDGE FROM THIS AGREEMENT that is until the find out that managment and the government are serious.

The money will have to be justified and giving a private company with billions in the bank tax dollars to bail a company because it may be important is not going to wash. A couple of polls have shown the general public, you know the ones who don't get 32.00 and hour for unskilled labour are not really sympathetic to the unions fate.

Time will tell but letting one of them go down the toilet may bring some sanity to the situation, all parties need to be prepared to bleed before they get public money, a couple of bucks and hour in benefit reductions does not cut it.
I agree with a lot of what you say except for the statement that Chrysler has billions in the bank. I also think Chrysler has nothing to lose by making these demands - things are that bad.
 
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