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Charlie Kirk shooting....................stranger and stranger, curiouser, and curiouser.

Butler1000

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The bullet was found outside of his shoulder blade and underneath the skin on his back, covering his shoulder blade scapula. That was released/announced by the trauma surgeon who treated him in the emergency room. It was a spontaneous utterance by a random Doctor Who happened to be on duty.

And the rifle didn’t need to be dismantled. It looks like he carried it, wrapped up in a blanket as he climbed down from the roof.
Shhhh.....I'm enjoying this! I see lots of memes happening.
 
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I never heard of him before he was killed, he was just another right wing podcaster who specialized in agitating students in controlled 'debates' as far as I could tell.
Nothing special about what he had to say, same message as most other right wingers.
Open your mind a little and maybe you'll understand what he was about. I didn't agree with maybe half of what he said, but the other stuff made sense and was good. You don't have to agree with everything a person says.
 
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And palantir and those doge idiots who 2 whistleblowers found were emailing with sites/people from russia...
USA security has been so compromise pd by the morons/previously compromised. The damage may take years to repair, if ever.

I only know a little bit about the extent of Palantir's penetration into society and even less about the extent of Elon's DOGE operatives data vacuuming, the extent of Chinese and AMERICAN data mining and processing to develop profiles and persnal connection networks of who knows who etc ... and it frightens me.

Orwell's 1984 is turning out to more and more prescient.
 

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sure, a 30.06 bullet will blow someone’s head off. But you have to shoot them in the head, Not had a downward angle at the bottom of the neck.

Also, if it is a lightweight 150 grain soft point or hollow point it will expand and fragment immediately upon entry. This is desirable for lighter weight, target as it transfers all the energy via hydrostatic shock and shrapnel from the fragmentation.

Full metal jacket/ball ammunition will go right through and penetrate deeply. This is what you would use on moose or bear.
That would have all been cleared up had they had an autopsy.

 

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I only know a little bit about the extent of Palantir's penetration into society and even less about the extent of Elon's DOGE operatives data vacuuming, the extent of Chinese and AMERICAN data mining and processing to develop profiles and persnal connection networks of who knows who etc ... and it frightens me.

Orwell's 1984 is turning out to more and more prescient.
Palantir is seriously scary.
 
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sure, a 30.06 bullet will blow someone’s head off. But you have to shoot them in the head, Not had a downward angle at the bottom of the neck.

Also, if it is a lightweight 150 grain soft point or hollow point it will expand and fragment immediately upon entry. This is desirable for lighter weight, target as it transfers all the energy via hydrostatic shock and shrapnel from the fragmentation.

Full metal jacket/ball ammunition will go right through and penetrate deeply. This is what you would use on moose or bear.
If the kid had access to specialized ammo that raises even more questions
 

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If the kid had access to specialized ammo that raises even more questions
Nothing specialized about any of that ammunition. They are all standard hunting cartridges.

You'd use a 180 grain or even 220 grain jacketed round for taking down moose, elk or bear. You'd use 150 grain jacketed or soft lead nose on deer. And hollow point boat tail on long range shots on wolves, coyotes or wild boar.

I know you want to find something conspiritorily sinister in the gun and ammunition but it's really just a typical army surplus hunting rifle that grandpa bought out of the Sears Roebuck catalog back in the 50's. Heck, my dad bought me a British army surplus Lee Enfield 303 from the Sears catalogue back in the 70's. Was something like $39, or maybe $79 🤷‍♂️, Bought ammo at Crappy Tire no problem.

Here is a bunch of 30.06 ammo currently available here in Canada, today.

 

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Nothing specialized about any of that ammunition. They are all standard hunting cartridges.

You'd use a 180 grain or even 220 grain jacketed round for taking down moose, elk or bear. You'd use 150 grain jacketed or soft lead nose on deer. And hollow point boat tail on long range shots on wolves, coyotes or wild boar.

I know you want to find something conspiritorily sinister in the gun and ammunition but it's really just a typical army surplus hunting rifle that grandpa bought out of the Sears Roebuck catalog back in the 50's. Heck, my dad bought me a British army surplus Lee Enfield 303 from the Sears catalogue back in the 70's. Was something like $39, or maybe $79 🤷‍♂️, Bought ammo at Crappy Tire no problem.

Here is a bunch of 30.06 ammo currently available here in Canada, today.

this gun expert covers all those scenarios and says its extremely unlikely that what they are saying happened. And I have heard several other gun experts say the same thing.

 

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this gun expert covers all those scenarios and says its extremely unlikely that what they are saying happened. And I have heard several other gun experts say the same thing.

You must be clicky-clicking on those videos like crazy, Notty! 😹 😹 😹
 
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this gun expert covers all those scenarios and says its extremely unlikely that what they are saying happened. And I have heard several other gun experts say the same thing.


I actually watched his entire video.

He talks a good game, but he is not credible. He would be easily refuted and rejected as an "expert" if anyone tried to introduce him as an "expert" witness in any court. He's just another American whose raison d'etre in life is to play with guns

He uses a lot of fancy terms like, "ballistic coefficient" when he explains bullet weight. And he conflates mass with aerodynamics. he also makes assumptions on flawed premises and adds in superfluous examples that are not relevant, but subconsciously would lead the average guy to conflate several issues to come to doubt the account of what happened.

I do agree with him on his key points though:

1. The 30.06 is a powerful round and can go clear through and through moose and deer, even after hitting bones and everything.

2. It is surprising / not surprising there is no exit wound.

3. Bullets do strange, unpredictable things within a fleshy, bony, muscled body with air cavities like the lungs. They can even change trajectories by 90 degrees. They can hold together intact, or mushroom, and they often break up and fragment.

Heck, when I was a kid, we'd cut an 'X' in the nose of a .22 rimfire lead bullet to make sure it would break apart upon impact. We shot up thousands and thousands of .22 rounds into everything from water balloons, tin cans full or bean, sand, water, into 2x4's, sand bags, buckets of water etc and then retrieve the bullets and fragments. The slightest variation could change everything. Lots of richochets when you think the angle would not result in one.

We did LOTS of stupid shit. Among other things, putting a .22 rimfire cartridge into the hole in a snow fence post used to secure the wire holding the fence to the post.

It fit perfectly. Then we'd shoot at the bullet with a pellet gun to set off the .22 rimfire. That is, until *I* learned, first hand, the practical demonstration of "for every reaction, there is an opposite and equal reaction". The brass case of the .22 came flying back and hit me in the crease below my moob. YOWZA! The surpise of it scared the crap outta me! Broke the skin and left the little brass casing punched into me like a plug cutter! Still have the little dimple scar there!


In any case, there are a million opinions out there. And none of them matter except for shooting the shit. Including mine.

As much as I'd LOVE his murder to end up being a MAGA't/Project 2025/Stephen Miller/Trump's FBI/CIA or other weirdo Trump or Trumptard plot to detract from Epstein or to create a false flag operation etc... the lone conflicted, unstable kid with grandpa's elk hunting rifle shooting him and the shot doing whatever it did seems to be the simplest, most plausible scenario.

I tend to live by Occams Razor: The simplest explanation for a phenomenon is more likely to be the correct one and advises against multiplying assumptions unnecessarily.

The complexity in the incompetent and fractured Trump administration creating and executing such an elaborate plan to take out a relatively minor player in right wing social media is highly unlikely, and would, likely, already have had the whistle blown on it. As the bikers say; 'You can only keep a secret between 3 people when 2 of them are dead'.

I am guilty of making initial wild ass guesses before all the facts are in. In fact, in this matter, I initially posted that the shot sounded supressed, and I questioned the lack of a huge exit wound and blood splatter on the white background. I went so far as to muse aloud that it might have been a suppressed .300 Blackout, a subsonic special forces round.

But upon further consideration of the angle Kirk was leaning over, and the downward angle of the shot, I can readily visualize the bullet path and it ending up not exiting the body.

Whatever..... 🤷‍♂️ The Daily USA Mass Shooting of the Day elsewhere didn't hardly make the news.

If there wasn't school shootings in the USA, I wouldn't even think they had schools.

HOOOOR RAHHH! Guns before edumacation! Make 'murica Great Again..BANG BANG!
 
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Two MAGA supporters Candace Owen and Dinesh De Souza are slandering one another over those texts disclosures:


Of course both these MAGA ones have been instrumental in posting far right conspiracy theories!! :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
 
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mandrill

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If the kid had access to specialized ammo that raises even more questions
I am guessing he fired whatever his dad had in the cabinet.

The variant bullets Shlong describes are - I am guessing - all readily available in every corner store in the US - 1/2 price to teenagers and mental defectives because 'Murika....
 

mandrill

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If the kid had access to specialized ammo that raises even more questions
Let's go thru the likelihoods:

1. Even if Israel was pissed at him, they have plenty of other mouthpieces and Kirk could be purchased afresh just for tossing more $$$ at the scumbag.
2. The downside to Israel being outed as the killer vastly outweighs the marginal benefits to killing Kirk.
3. That goes double if the assassination play miscarried and the "real assassin" - in your fantasy world - was seen, outed and captured.
4. The crazy Mormom kid who - undoubtedly - was the real killer would never keep a secret. He would blurt sooner or later.
5. Someone would see the trained assassin fire the shot or fleeing. It was a crowded scene.
6. There are many more discreet times and venues for killing Kirk.
7. If there was a 2nd shooter, there would be 2 bullet impacts and possibly a 2nd injured person. The kid might have missed, even if the trained assassin got a 100% sure hit. And what if there were 2 different points of impact in Kirk with different calibre bullets lodged in the dead fuck's torso? Explain that away.

The whole 2nd Shooter idea is dumbass bullshit - spun out to muster all the Israel haters like you and Frankie. No one with a brain is ever going to believe dumb shit like that. 🤪
 
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